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Message 1213264 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 17:46:13 UTC

Looks like hamburger is going to get hard to find.

Beef processor files for bankruptcy over 'pink slime' uproar.

http://news.yahoo.com/beef-processor-files-bankruptcy-over-pink-slime-uproar-132022703.html
Will the price of a hamburger double?

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Message 1213271 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 18:01:07 UTC

The entire point is.. industrially produced food, especially meats is not fit for human consumption. I am far from being a "health nut", but this has gone MUCH too far.


OK time to bang my nail in the door. I'm basically on Soft's side. I do like meat, e.g. a proper beefsteak, but I am eating considerably less meat than I did say, 5 years ago. No way am I an vegetarian, and I think that Vegans probably come from Venus. But we have a world recession, and when the choicest cuts of meat have been removed from animals whether cattle or poultry, there is a lot left over, which they need to process and sell in some way, to be economically viable.

No doubt ancient cavemen ate meat, offal, bones, fur and all, but just reflect upon their health and lifespan ....

I do not want to eat animal guts and bits and pieces, whether openly or surreptitiously. If I told you what I really thought about veal, I'd probably get banned ...

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Message 1213277 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 18:15:22 UTC - in response to Message 1213264.

Looks like hamburger is going to get hard to find.
Beef processor files for bankruptcy over 'pink slime' uproar.

http://news.yahoo.com/beef-processor-files-bankruptcy-over-pink-slime-uproar-132022703.html
Will the price of a hamburger double?

Oh, great. $10.00 Big Macs.
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Message 1213286 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 18:41:45 UTC - in response to Message 1213264.

Looks like hamburger is going to get hard to find.
Beef processor files for bankruptcy over 'pink slime' uproar.

http://news.yahoo.com/beef-processor-files-bankruptcy-over-pink-slime-uproar-132022703.html
Will the price of a hamburger double?


I've been tracking Big Mac prices for 24 years. (Big Mac, no extras, supersize or otherwise.) Based on my (B)ig(M)ac(P)rediction(N)etwork, I am, sorry to say, sir, not able to confirm your doom and gloom and scenario. In fact, I deny your claim.

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Message 1213304 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 19:21:53 UTC

wanting to blame the price increases for getting honest products to double triple and more is just plain silly.

Now if a business made their entire profit from corrupting our food, then yes they could be in trouble soon. Having seen the tepid response from food companies (we are going to stop adding it to our ground beef(but no mention of packaged foods:: We do not use the one made with ammonia(we use another source that has the same junk meat and have no plans to stop) are typical response.

The fact it ever found its way into ground beef is ridiculous.

Now presuming the same limits apply to the pork products (lean finely textured pork vs beef) Ground pork can contain at most 20% of the stuff. Which would mean hamburger should go up no more than 15-20% due to the lack of this filler.

I would expect to see "cold-cuts" of commercial grade to be offered at sale prices instead.

I certainly eat less meat than I used to.. which is partially how I was caught unaware.. if someone wanted to add some beans to a commercial taco I had no objection.. whether soy beans, pinto beans or anything else like that, I was just fine with it.

Indeed, other parts do have uses. Bones and the little meat on them can make a fine beef stock or broth, cold cuts from other parts. if someone really wants a blood pudding then.. umm okay. But combining these things from thousands of cattle to go into food source for tens or hundreds of thousand or more people is a recipe for disaster.

That disturbs me far more than an expensive burger ever could.

Simply put, ground beef should be chunks of meat put in a grinder(where the term "ground" comes from). The fat should be no more than the fat that was on the cut of meat.

Anything else remains fraud, legal or not.
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Message 1213311 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 19:41:03 UTC

Why not introduce a law that says all these animal by products may only be used for pet food, not human consumption?

A. They still sell the stuff and make a profit
B. We don't have to eat it.

Provided of course it can be shown that pets health won't be at risk.

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Message 1213327 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 20:25:43 UTC - in response to Message 1213311.

I left Michigan many years ago. The state had truth in labeling for food products, especially meat. So when you read on the hot dogs... Pork by products, beef by products and mechanically separated chicken you had a pretty good idea that it wasn't good for you. In Texas you read the hotdog label and it says ... BEEF, PORK, Chicken. You have to wonder how Texas allows food products to get by with these incredibly low standards.
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Message 1213330 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 20:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 1213304.

The fact it ever found its way into ground beef is ridiculous.

I guess because you don't eat much red meat you didn't see the change in the labels at the supermarkets a couple decades ago from "ground round" to "ground beef". Alarm bells should have rung.

Alarm bells should also have rung when the government, god bless their cradle to grave coddling, ordered fat to be removed from many products. How can you remove fat from the middle of a slice of round? You can only trim so much around the edge. But you can add filler that has had the fat removed and lower the total fat.

Lets have the government get rid of salt and now sugar too! How about a "mandate" that everyone be vegan? Add that to Obamacare! :)

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Message 1213354 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 21:30:40 UTC - in response to Message 1213330.

I remember ground round, ground chuck, and ground beef all being sold side by side.

Ground round was round steak, ground. Ground chuck was chuck roast, ground.
Ground beef was whatever CUT of meat that was not selling, it could include rump roast,flank, and yes chunks of fat to even it out.

Hmm I wonder, since BPI is claiming "beef is beef", could I go into their facility with 20 lbs of their "beef" and walk out with 10 lbs of filet mignon? After all.. according to them "beef is beef".
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Message 1213389 - Posted: 2 Apr 2012, 22:40:25 UTC - in response to Message 1213354.

Ground beef was whatever CUT of meat that was not selling

Beef is the key word for cow anus or any other undesirable CUT/PART there is.

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Message 1213435 - Posted: 3 Apr 2012, 1:47:21 UTC - in response to Message 1213389.

Ground beef was whatever CUT of meat that was not selling

Beef is the key word for cow anus or any other undesirable CUT/PART there is.


The USDA seems to agree. However traditionally such parts are known as "beef byproduct".

Gee guess I am just old fashioned.
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Message 1213485 - Posted: 3 Apr 2012, 4:50:32 UTC - in response to Message 1213435.

The USDA seems to agree.

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Message 1213824 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 4:40:18 UTC - in response to Message 1213311.

Why not introduce a law that says all these animal by products may only be used for pet food, not human consumption?

A. They still sell the stuff and make a profit
B. We don't have to eat it.

Provided of course it can be shown that pets health won't be at risk.



Laying down beside my chair is Stella, she is a 8 yr old German Shepherd.

She has got a healthy but fussy appetite, some types of dog food she will not eat, some types of our food she will not eat either.

The funny thing is most of the food that is fit for human consumption that she won't eat has been mentioned in this thread, mainly the cheaper end reprocessed meat products - burgers, sausages etc.

One quick sniff and she can detect pink slime or the pork equivalent.

It does make me think when I get the "you don't expect me to eat that"[1] routine out of her when I offer her a titbit off my plate, what have I been eating?


[1] One sniff, turn around, walk to other side of room and lay down with back towards me.


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Message 1213831 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 4:53:23 UTC

My dog will eat anything given to her by me. I wish she was that picky, I wouldn't have to share so much with her. :-)
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Message 1213835 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 5:14:36 UTC - in response to Message 1213485.
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The USDA seems to agree.

Don't you worry at all, big brother knows best.

If she believed that, she wouldn't be posting about this.

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Message 1213868 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 7:40:26 UTC

Don't forget though that it is all a vicious circle. If the public get educated enough not to buy animal by-products, then there won't be a market for them except for pet food, or slops for farm animals. The result will probably be an increase in basic meat prices to maintain profit margins.



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Message 1213879 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 10:05:23 UTC - in response to Message 1213868.

Don't forget though that it is all a vicious circle. If the public get educated enough not to buy animal by-products, then there won't be a market for them except for pet food, or slops for farm animals. The result will probably be an increase in basic meat prices to maintain profit margins.





Listing it as an ingredient on everything that contains it (yep.. the canned goods too) would not be expensive. Until the loss of sales kicked in.

Go ahead.. sell "Ground beef with 15% LFTB" next to "Ground Beef". Let the consumer decide.

In the mean time.. I am trying to adjust my diet to accomodate the realities..
The commercial food chain is not fit for human consumption.
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Message 1213903 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 12:46:17 UTC
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http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/rdad/FSISDirectives/7120.1.pdf

Just some more stuff the USDA has decided no one needs to know.
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Message 1213956 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 15:21:12 UTC - in response to Message 1213903.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/rdad/FSISDirectives/7120.1.pdf

Just some more stuff the USDA has decided no one needs to know.

That must be why they put in on the internet, they don't want anyone to know. Best place to keep a secret.

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Message 1213974 - Posted: 4 Apr 2012, 16:13:32 UTC - in response to Message 1213956.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/rdad/FSISDirectives/7120.1.pdf

Just some more stuff the USDA has decided no one needs to know.

That must be why they put in on the internet, they don't want anyone to know. Best place to keep a secret.


That is why they do not put it on the labels. Good Sheeple have no need to know.

When I did a google search for "Lean Finely Textured Pork", I got a total of 1 match, since it is not what everyone is talking about. That was the USDA site.
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