I have been slimed..


log in

Advanced search

Message boards : Politics : I have been slimed..

Previous · 1 . . . 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · 10 · 11 · 12 . . . 18 · Next
Author Message
Profile ML1
Volunteer tester
Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 8408
Credit: 4,125,093
RAC: 1,338
United Kingdom
Message 1296875 - Posted: 19 Oct 2012, 12:33:04 UTC - in response to Message 1295647.

I totally support the labelling of all foodstuffs. It's a nightmare doing shopping with the wife & trying to find the foodstuffs that she can eat.

Any chance of this making the Big Food industry a bit more honest and perhaps more healthy even?...


Big Tobacco lawyers target food industry

The lawyers who took on the big US tobacco companies, and won, have now set their sights on the food industry.


All on our only world,
Martin
____________
See new freedom: Mageia4
Linux Voice See & try out your OS Freedom!
The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)

Profile soft^spirit
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 6374
Credit: 28,631,059
RAC: 25
United States
Message 1320125 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 13:49:03 UTC
Last modified: 26 Dec 2012, 13:51:10 UTC

"On a farm about six miles outside this gambling town, Jason Chamberlain looks over a flock of about 50 smelly sheep, many of them possessing partially human livers, hearts, brains and other organs.

The University of Nevada-Reno researcher talks matter-of-factly about his plans to euthanize one of the pregnant sheep in a nearby lab. He can’t wait to examine the effects of the human cells he had injected into the fetus’ brain about two months ago.

“It’s mice on a large scale,” Chamberlain says with a shrug.

As strange as his work may sound, it falls firmly within the new ethics guidelines the influential National Academies issued this past week for stem cell research.

In fact, the Academies’ report endorses research that co-mingles human and animal tissue as vital to ensuring that experimental drugs and new tissue replacement therapies are safe for people.
"Source

Coming soon to a butcher shop near you.

It has not THAT much human in it..
____________

Janice

Profile Gary CharpentierProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 12487
Credit: 6,797,712
RAC: 6,586
United States
Message 1320160 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 16:55:27 UTC - in response to Message 1320125.

Coming soon to a butcher shop near you.

It has not THAT much human in it..

Soylent green!

Profile soft^spirit
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 6374
Credit: 28,631,059
RAC: 25
United States
Message 1320164 - Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 20:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 1320160.

Coming soon to a butcher shop near you.

It has not THAT much human in it..

Soylent green!

The original internal name for "pink slime" was "Soylent Pink".


____________

Janice

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 31600
Credit: 12,550,497
RAC: 29,374
United Kingdom
Message 1320446 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 15:58:16 UTC

The University of Nevada-Reno researcher talks matter-of-factly about his plans to euthanize one of the pregnant sheep in a nearby lab. He can’t wait to examine the effects of the human cells he had injected into the fetus’ brain about two months ago. “It’s mice on a large scale,” Chamberlain says with a shrug.

As strange as his work may sound, it falls firmly within the new ethics guidelines the influential National Academies issued this past week for stem cell research.

Oh yes, lets cut up dead pregnant animals for the fun of it. That man is sick and should be prevented from doing any more work, and the so called university should be discredited.

Its about time that these "ethics" were re-examined.

bobby
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 22 Mar 02
Posts: 1962
Credit: 14,789,153
RAC: 2,878
United States
Message 1321926 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 3:38:51 UTC - in response to Message 1320446.
Last modified: 30 Dec 2012, 3:39:09 UTC

The University of Nevada-Reno researcher talks matter-of-factly about his plans to euthanize one of the pregnant sheep in a nearby lab. He can’t wait to examine the effects of the human cells he had injected into the fetus’ brain about two months ago. “It’s mice on a large scale,” Chamberlain says with a shrug.

As strange as his work may sound, it falls firmly within the new ethics guidelines the influential National Academies issued this past week for stem cell research.

Oh yes, lets cut up dead pregnant animals for the fun of it. That man is sick and should be prevented from doing any more work, and the so called university should be discredited.

Its about time that these "ethics" were re-examined.


Not sure how a determination of "the fun of it" was reached, the article provides a different purpose for the research. Also, it may be a bit late in the day to stop this particular reasearcher, the article is from 2005, though calling for the "so called" university to be discredited based on a single newspaper report on a single aspect of that school's activities, seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction. Before condemning the man and the institution wouldn't it be wise to first ask them for their view on the matter?
____________
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Profile Es99Project donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 8913
Credit: 252,210
RAC: 120
Canada
Message 1321928 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 3:43:01 UTC - in response to Message 1321926.

The University of Nevada-Reno researcher talks matter-of-factly about his plans to euthanize one of the pregnant sheep in a nearby lab. He can’t wait to examine the effects of the human cells he had injected into the fetus’ brain about two months ago. “It’s mice on a large scale,” Chamberlain says with a shrug.

As strange as his work may sound, it falls firmly within the new ethics guidelines the influential National Academies issued this past week for stem cell research.

Oh yes, lets cut up dead pregnant animals for the fun of it. That man is sick and should be prevented from doing any more work, and the so called university should be discredited.

Its about time that these "ethics" were re-examined.


Not sure how a determination of "the fun of it" was reached, the article provides a different purpose for the research. Also, it may be a bit late in the day to stop this particular reasearcher, the article is from 2005, though calling for the "so called" university to be discredited based on a single newspaper report on a single aspect of that school's activities, seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction. Before condemning the man and the institution wouldn't it be wise to first ask them for their view on the matter?

and I'm not even sure of the difference between this and eating sheep or lamb.

Why is one ok and one not?
____________
Are you a feminist? Take the test

Profile James SotherdenProject donor
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 16 May 99
Posts: 8788
Credit: 34,021,423
RAC: 58,387
United States
Message 1321938 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 4:01:10 UTC - in response to Message 1320125.

"On a farm about six miles outside this gambling town, Jason Chamberlain looks over a flock of about 50 smelly sheep, many of them possessing partially human livers, hearts, brains and other organs.

The University of Nevada-Reno researcher talks matter-of-factly about his plans to euthanize one of the pregnant sheep in a nearby lab. He can’t wait to examine the effects of the human cells he had injected into the fetus’ brain about two months ago.

“It’s mice on a large scale,” Chamberlain says with a shrug.

As strange as his work may sound, it falls firmly within the new ethics guidelines the influential National Academies issued this past week for stem cell research.

In fact, the Academies’ report endorses research that co-mingles human and animal tissue as vital to ensuring that experimental drugs and new tissue replacement therapies are safe for people.
"Source

Coming soon to a butcher shop near you.

It has not THAT much human in it..

As long as the reseach is for stem cells in the fight against some diseaes I can see why they would use human cells. But jeez I can see some jackass trying to use human cells in farm aniamals for human comsumption. Hey can I have a Hannibal lecter burger with frys?
____________

Old James

Profile soft^spirit
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 6374
Credit: 28,631,059
RAC: 25
United States
Message 1322027 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 9:53:12 UTC - in response to Message 1321938.

The sheep were being kept very close to a slaughter house for other "normal" sheep. It would take very little for "non human portions"(likely cross contaminated) to enter the food chain. In many cultures Canibalism is still frowned upon.


____________

Janice

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 31600
Credit: 12,550,497
RAC: 29,374
United Kingdom
Message 1322142 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 12:31:46 UTC

No apologies from me will be forthcoming, I stand by my original statement. It is not right to use animals in this way, in macabre experiments, particularly as it could enter into our own food chain. I think that institutions that conduct and condone these sort of experiments are wrong. If I could press a button and wipe this guy, Porton Down, and Huntingdon Life Sciences off the face of this earth, I would do so, and I would sleep soundly at night afterwards.

I fundamentally disagree that innocent animals should be used and experimented on, for the benefit of humans. My position upon that is non-negotiable. Take it or leave it, and I'm quite happy if you leave it. A statement from PETA ...

"animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment."

And yes, I am a fully paid up member of PETA, and am shortly going to get involved in other more covert ways of resistance in this area.



Profile Gary CharpentierProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 12487
Credit: 6,797,712
RAC: 6,586
United States
Message 1322301 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 18:23:26 UTC - in response to Message 1322142.

No apologies from me will be forthcoming, I stand by my original statement. It is not right to use animals in this way, in macabre experiments, particularly as it could enter into our own food chain. I think that institutions that conduct and condone these sort of experiments are wrong. If I could press a button and wipe this guy, Porton Down, and Huntingdon Life Sciences off the face of this earth, I would do so, and I would sleep soundly at night afterwards.

I fundamentally disagree that innocent animals should be used and experimented on, for the benefit of humans. My position upon that is non-negotiable. Take it or leave it, and I'm quite happy if you leave it. A statement from PETA ...

"animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment."

And yes, I am a fully paid up member of PETA, and am shortly going to get involved in other more covert ways of resistance in this area.

Didn't know you were a rabid vegan. Thought a birdie told me you occasionally enjoy blood pudding, haggis and fish and chips. The birdie could have been wrong.

____________

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 31600
Credit: 12,550,497
RAC: 29,374
United Kingdom
Message 1322313 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 18:40:02 UTC

I didn't know you were a rabid vegan. Thought a birdie told me you occasionally enjoy blood pudding, haggis and fish and chips. The birdie could have been wrong.

This is getting boring ...
    1. I am not a rabid vegan, but I choose to eat less meat these days.
    2.
    Thought a birdie told me you occasionally enjoy blood pudding, haggis
    Total rubbish. Do go and get your facts right, before you post.
    3.
    and fish and chips.

    That is recent public knowledge
    4.
    The birdie could have been wrong.
    Check your facts and listen to the horses mouth first, before listening to the birdies.



C'mon Gary, not one of your best posts :-)



Profile Es99Project donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 23 Aug 05
Posts: 8913
Credit: 252,210
RAC: 120
Canada
Message 1322326 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 18:52:23 UTC - in response to Message 1322313.

I didn't know you were a rabid vegan. Thought a birdie told me you occasionally enjoy blood pudding, haggis and fish and chips. The birdie could have been wrong.

This is getting boring ...
    1. I am not a rabid vegan, but I choose to eat less meat these days.
    2.
    Thought a birdie told me you occasionally enjoy blood pudding, haggis
    Total rubbish. Do go and get your facts right, before you post.
    3.
    and fish and chips.

    That is recent public knowledge
    4.
    The birdie could have been wrong.
    Check your facts and listen to the horses mouth first, before listening to the birdies.



C'mon Gary, not one of your best posts :-)




Good for you finally becoming a vegetarian. As a self professed animal lover your first stop should be dealing with the terrible and cruel farming practices that meat eaters support. Its way worse than anything done to animals being used for research (not that I condone either) and far more widespread.

Personally I don't believe there is anything unnatural about humans eating meat, but I never thought is was acceptable to put them through a life of torture and misery before hand.
____________
Are you a feminist? Take the test

Profile Gary CharpentierProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 12487
Credit: 6,797,712
RAC: 6,586
United States
Message 1322348 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 19:28:59 UTC - in response to Message 1322313.

I didn't know you were a rabid vegan. Thought a birdie told me you occasionally enjoy blood pudding, haggis and fish and chips. The birdie could have been wrong.

This is getting boring ...
    1. I am not a rabid vegan, but I choose to eat less meat these days.
    2.
    Thought a birdie told me you occasionally enjoy blood pudding, haggis
    Total rubbish. Do go and get your facts right, before you post.
    3.
    and fish and chips.

    That is recent public knowledge
    4.
    The birdie could have been wrong.
    Check your facts and listen to the horses mouth first, before listening to the birdies.



C'mon Gary, not one of your best posts :-)


It seems the birdie is suffering from CRS.

____________

bobby
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 22 Mar 02
Posts: 1962
Credit: 14,789,153
RAC: 2,878
United States
Message 1322424 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 22:19:55 UTC - in response to Message 1322027.

The sheep were being kept very close to a slaughter house for other "normal" sheep. It would take very little for "non human portions"(likely cross contaminated) to enter the food chain. In many cultures Canibalism is still frowned upon.

They were? The article (and your quote) says that the sheep were to be euthanized in a nearby lab, and as far as I could see said nothing about any possibility of cross contamination.
____________
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Profile soft^spirit
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 6374
Credit: 28,631,059
RAC: 25
United States
Message 1322444 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 22:56:04 UTC - in response to Message 1322424.

The sheep were being kept very close to a slaughter house for other "normal" sheep. It would take very little for "non human portions"(likely cross contaminated) to enter the food chain. In many cultures Canibalism is still frowned upon.

They were? The article (and your quote) says that the sheep were to be euthanized in a nearby lab, and as far as I could see said nothing about any possibility of cross contamination.


They made the television with footage showing the slaughter house next to wear they were kept.. one used for commercial sheep. Unfortunately it was a bit of video made by conspiracy theorists that.. well I had to dig deeper to see what in fact they were talking about. That video presented them as "half human/half sheep".. which by the information I can find is not correct. BUT.. there was a small element of truth to it. A university having a lab and a slaughter house near by? That part does not sound remotely difficult to believe.

I really wish I could have a commercial food source I could trust.. it would save me a lot of money. But at least I eat food that actually has flavor this way.
____________

Janice

Profile Gary CharpentierProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 12487
Credit: 6,797,712
RAC: 6,586
United States
Message 1322489 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 0:58:18 UTC - in response to Message 1322444.

I really wish I could have a commercial food source I could trust

I think you are looking for a food source that shares your values and you can trust. Of course if you want perfection, it hasn't been invented yet.

____________

Profile soft^spirit
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 6374
Credit: 28,631,059
RAC: 25
United States
Message 1322513 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 4:23:09 UTC - in response to Message 1322489.

I really wish I could have a commercial food source I could trust

I think you are looking for a food source that shares your values and you can trust. Of course if you want perfection, it hasn't been invented yet.

um... it has been invented. It just got lost in the last 100 or so years.
But you do not get it by ordering through a plastic clown.
____________

Janice

Profile ML1
Volunteer tester
Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 8408
Credit: 4,125,093
RAC: 1,338
United Kingdom
Message 1328117 - Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 0:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 1322513.

... But you do not get it by ordering through a plastic clown.

Whether from an American yellow and red clown, an Irish pixie, or an innocent looking Dutch daffodil, you are likely eating more than you bargained for:


Beef contaminated with horse meat may have been sold in Britain for 'years'

Supermarkets might have been selling beef contaminated with horse meat for years because of lax food regulations

... The scale of horse meat contamination emerged on Tuesday, when the Food Safety Authority of Ireland said it had tested 27 beefburger products.

More than a third had tested positive for horse DNA, including one Tesco Value beefburger in which 29 per cent of the “beef” content was in fact horse meat. ...

... “greed” might have led to horse meat being passed off as beef. “Horse meat would be a quarter of the price of the beef [protein], so greed is a motivator,”...



... And what else I wonder...

Slimy stuff indeed,
Martin


____________
See new freedom: Mageia4
Linux Voice See & try out your OS Freedom!
The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)

Profile ML1
Volunteer tester
Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 8408
Credit: 4,125,093
RAC: 1,338
United Kingdom
Message 1328766 - Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 19:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 1328117.

... And what else I wonder...

Slimy stuff indeed,



I typed too soon... It's already on its way:


Avaaz: Stop the Frankenfish attack

... Worse, FDA's approval of transgenic salmon could open the floodgates for genetically modified animals worldwide. We ask that you reject its approval.


From my own observations, we've seen the 'Monsanto genetic attack' on plant farming to control the markets, the farmers, and the food source, all for monopolistic higher profits for Monsanto... (And the environment and humans be damned?...) Now is there to be even worse for farming fish and other livestock?...

All on our only planet,
Martin

____________
See new freedom: Mageia4
Linux Voice See & try out your OS Freedom!
The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)

Previous · 1 . . . 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · 10 · 11 · 12 . . . 18 · Next
Post to thread

Message boards : Politics : I have been slimed..

Copyright © 2014 University of California