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Message 1308335 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 12:57:13 UTC - in response to Message 1308293.

I used so many word processors and DTP programs that I forget in which it is style sheets and in which it is templates.

It is only now, that I see why I got comments from two teachers saying he was very consistant in his page layout. I taught him to use templates (style sheets) because it makes it easier to automate many items, like putting title, name in header and date, page number and HDD location in the footers. It also helps with left and right pages so that pages can be punched cleanly.

And for correspondence automatic insertion of sender addr, date etc, and putting in tags for sendee addr, subject etc.

Therefore something that should be taught early, not late in the teaching of WP.

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Message 1309127 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 6:59:10 UTC - in response to Message 1307876.

It had to happen eventually I suppose, just wondering what the standards would be like if this happens...

"Star Trek Schools"


Even better than the above, or is it just a gimmick?

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Message 1310988 - Posted: 28 Nov 2012, 11:29:10 UTC

Maybe help is at hand.

Norwegian app aims to make math cool

(Reuters) - The startup behind the algebra app that overtook Angry Birds as No. 1 in the Norwegian app store earlier this year aims to replicate that success globally next year with four more mathematics games.


For teachers and parents, or anybody wishing to revise their maths the site is http://wewanttoknow.com/

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Message 1311012 - Posted: 28 Nov 2012, 13:18:53 UTC

Hi WK,

I've had a look at it, and it seems a bit gimmicky to me to be quite honest, but I'll be interested to see if it works.

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Message 1311470 - Posted: 5 Dec 2012, 20:44:16 UTC

Not good news for our US readers.

Downward mobility haunts US education

Andreas Schleicher, special adviser on education at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), says the US is now the only major economy in the world where the younger generation is not going to be better educated than the older.

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Message 1311471 - Posted: 5 Dec 2012, 20:46:39 UTC - in response to Message 1311470.

Not good news for our US readers.

Downward mobility haunts US education
Andreas Schleicher, special adviser on education at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), says the US is now the only major economy in the world where the younger generation is not going to be better educated than the older.

Teacher Unions fit in where?

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Message 1311709 - Posted: 6 Dec 2012, 12:19:05 UTC

Teacher Unions fit in where?

I think they are making a storm in a teacup here.

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Message 1311823 - Posted: 6 Dec 2012, 17:42:53 UTC

Let’s pay each teacher what they’re worth

Dangerous idea, unless it is a move to cut the education budget.
Based on the performance as published by the government a large percentage of the teachers would get a pay cut.

But as most teachers have to do as they are told, by the government, and not do their best to teach the subject, maybe the best place to start with "paying what they are worth" should start at the top.

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Message 1311904 - Posted: 6 Dec 2012, 20:25:13 UTC

I think that I need to read further into this before reaching a proper considered comment. But upon first glance, I have my worries about it. But, the Telegraph is a respected source of opinion so I will seriously consider what they say.

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Message 1314623 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 12:44:42 UTC

Further confirmation of what we already know.

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Message 1314712 - Posted: 13 Dec 2012, 17:27:04 UTC

True Chris

Literacy and innumeracy was reported at 5% of the adult population by the end of the 1960s. I saw it had risen to close on 23% now, all due to better more effective teaching??
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Message 1319659 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 17:35:18 UTC

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/21-12-2012/123261-americans_children-0/

Why Americans cannot discipline their children

The ultimate reason that Americans are unable to discipline their children is that they have no authority over them. The American state, together with private industry, especially the "helping professions," have usurped their authority in loco parentis, thus empowering physicians, psychologists, judges, social workers, dentists and other health workers by, in effect, reducing people to parental incompetence.


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Message 1319666 - Posted: 24 Dec 2012, 17:49:26 UTC - in response to Message 1311823.

Let’s pay each teacher what they’re worth

Dangerous idea, unless it is a move to cut the education budget.
Based on the performance as published by the government a large percentage of the teachers would get a pay cut.

But as most teachers have to do as they are told, by the government, and not do their best to teach the subject, maybe the best place to start with "paying what they are worth" should start at the top.

...and actually letting the teacher's get on with what they are trained to do.

You are right, the problem is from the top. Too much emphasis on exam results and league tables means teacher's can't focus on what education is actually for.
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Message 1322554 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 10:22:21 UTC

I find it ironic that no one has yet pointed out that while schools

provide education that no child need be limited to this education.

If my child was to enter school today the first thing I would do

would be to barrow my child's books after home work on the first day

and read them.

seeing the horrible state that education is in, I would help my child

with the required work and then see to it that he or she got enough more

to be able to learn independently of school so they could learn what interested

them.

The best teaching method is 1 teacher and 1 student

this is called the Socratic method, the schools do not have time for this

so the parent frequently is the only candidate for the first child at least.
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Message 1322586 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 12:04:19 UTC

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...and actually letting the teacher's get on with what they are trained to do.

You are right, the problem is from the top. Too much emphasis on exam results and league tables means teacher's can't focus on what education is actually for.

You are quite correct of course, but with funding dependent upon a schools position in the league tables, they have to act as they do or go under. What is wrong is that teaching and education is being treated as being like a business. It is not, it is a fundamental right of every child.

@dancer - You are of course right. In my day I sat on my parents knee and got taught to read before I went to school at age 5. How many parents bother to do that today? Most kids now are either created after Saturday night down the pub, or deliberately as a meal ticket to get more social money. Parents drag 'em up until 5 then hand them over to the state education system, and then effectively wash their hands of them.

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Message 1322597 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 12:32:18 UTC

Today's x-box generation of children are, in the main, the product of the preceding tv-box generation. they were taught by being planted on the floor in front of s screen with garish moving pictures, and shouted words by inane so called "children's presenters". The progress to the x-box (generic term) is even less educational with even more inane blobs that make noises, shoot, splat...
Parents, indeed family and society as a whole have a "duty of care" to ensure that children are taught, not only the "3-Rs", but also essential life skills, such as how to interact with other humans of all ages. Most of today's adults all too often see children as a "necessary inconvenience", not as our future.
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Message 1322603 - Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 12:48:03 UTC

Parents, indeed family and society as a whole have a "duty of care" to ensure that children are taught, not only the "3-Rs", but also essential life skills, such as how to interact with other humans of all ages. Most of today's adults all too often see children as a "necessary inconvenience", not as our future.

I 100% agree Rob.

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Message 1332206 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 11:43:06 UTC - in response to Message 1322554.

How dare you!!!!!

What gives you the right to assume responsibility over your own child. Your offspring are members of society and should be governed accordingly. They don't exist for their own happiness. The greatest moral life for them consists of serving others and consequently the state. How SELFISH!
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Message 1332218 - Posted: 28 Jan 2013, 13:23:43 UTC

Scary, thanks for bringing this back to the top, thought I was going to have to go hunting for this thread.

The Chief Inspector of Schools In England, Sir Michael Wilshaw, has said in the Telegraph, Brightest pupils failed by state schools

Sir Michael Wilshaw has ordered an urgent “rapid response survey” of how state schools teach the most able children. It will be the most extensive investigation of gifted and talented provision undertaken by the watchdog.

The “landmark” report, to be published in the spring, will address fears that children who get top marks in primary school are being let down by some secondary school teachers who leave them to coast rather than stretch them to achieve the best exam results.


Also in the Guardians Teacher Blog, Secret Teacher: A levels do need fixing, but not how Michael Gove suggests
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One of the subjects often brought up is Maths, and those that decide what is taught in Maths. Somehow the area's covered has changed and for science and engineering what is taught in schools is no longer fit for purpose. This is brought home in The Engineering Council - Measuring the Mathematics Problem (pdf)

The findings are on page iii.

This led me to a comparison of 13 and 14 year olds for the years 1976 and 2008in Algrebra, ratio's and fractions, and decimals. Secondary students' Understanding of Mathematics 30 years on (pdf)

What is surprising is that even though things have changed there is very little difference over the years.

Which again led my on to Using maths to estimate the exam grade values


As a worked example, what is a GCSE grade A* today worth in 1993 terms? We use maths as the comparison subject, and note in GCSE today 5.5% of candidates get an A*. Being in the top 5.5% in 2012 corresponds to being in the top 15.5% in 1993, which would be a middle B grade. So today's A* GCSE is worth a middle B grade in 1993. Equally today's A grade GCSE would be a C grade in 1993 GCSE, or in old money an A grade in GCSE is a "pass" in O level maths. For context, in 1977 around 20% of girls and 40% of boys got an O level pass or equivalent; today around 16% of students get the equivalent (A or A* GCSE) reflecting the very gradual decline in overall standards over the period.

Similarly an A* in A level today corresponds to the top 17% of that cohort, which would be equivalent to top 27% in 1993, a "B" grade. An A* A-level today is worth a B grade as recently as 20 years ago.


Of course I did have to check what my two "B"s and a "C" at A level that I got in 1964 would be in today's exams. http://www.compare-exams.com/

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Message 1333236 - Posted: 31 Jan 2013, 18:33:51 UTC

They are at it again.

Four US states considering laws that challenge teaching of evolution

Critics charge 'academic freedom' legislation in Colorado, Missouri, Montana and Oklahoma is just creationism in disguise

Four US states are considering new legislation about teaching science in schools, allowing pupils to to be taught religious versions of how life on earth developed in what critics say would establish a backdoor way of questioning the theory of evolution.

Fresh legislation has been put forward in Colorado, Missouri and Montana. In Oklahoma, there are two bills before the state legislature that include potentially creationist language.

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