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Message 1177143 - Posted: 10 Dec 2011, 21:00:45 UTC

Nope, just the commoner throughout Europe fed up with the sleazy corrupt ass'es that think we are all dumb enough to believe in their soundbites.

No question about it...Europe is going to blow for the 3rd time in 100 years as I'm pretty sure that the crap will hit the fan long before August 2014!
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Message 1177189 - Posted: 11 Dec 2011, 5:29:12 UTC

Just please, no Islamic jihad.
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Message 1177193 - Posted: 11 Dec 2011, 6:11:04 UTC - in response to Message 1177189.  

Amen to that. No Christian Crusade either. It would be nice if pogroms could be avoided as well.

Just please, no Islamic jihad.

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Message 1188953 - Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 21:08:34 UTC

There is nothing special in such news about russia. Im afraid of war between US and Russia, that would be catastrophe.
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Message 1189089 - Posted: 28 Jan 2012, 2:48:17 UTC - in response to Message 1188953.  

disasterous for both countries. And highly unlikely. The US has not done anything to provoke Russia nor has Russia done anything to provoke the US. The Current Russian military is a shamble compared to the former Soviet forces. Trying to Keep up with the US has crippled the countries military forces

Quite honestly the saber rattling over the European missile defense system and I repeat DEFENSE system is far overblown by the Russian talking heads. Perhaps they are looking to get a few for themselves. Who knows.

Why be afraid of anti Missle missiles. they can be aimed at solid targets on the ground. They only have 1 mission. shoot down ICBM's in mid flight. The only person that needs to worry is the one launching the ICBM's.


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Message 1189337 - Posted: 28 Jan 2012, 7:26:20 UTC - in response to Message 1189089.  

Quite honestly the saber rattling over the European missile defense system and I repeat DEFENSE system is far overblown by the Russian talking heads. Perhaps they are looking to get a few for themselves. Who knows.


I'm not sure that the missile defense system can not have a dual purpose. In highest degree they can not only monitor the missiles, but also keep track of the objects of the country, ie do some intelligence activities. Imagine that Russia will try to build a similar system in Cuba. The reaction of the U.S. government will be much more active than that one in Russia today.

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Message 1189339 - Posted: 28 Jan 2012, 7:31:05 UTC - in response to Message 1189089.  

disasterous for both countries. And highly unlikely. The US has not done anything to provoke Russia nor has Russia done anything to provoke the US. The Current Russian military is a shamble compared to the former Soviet forces. Trying to Keep up with the US has crippled the countries military forces

Quite honestly the saber rattling over the European missile defense system and I repeat DEFENSE system is far overblown by the Russian talking heads. Perhaps they are looking to get a few for themselves. Who knows.

Why be afraid of anti Missle missiles. they can be aimed at solid targets on the ground. They only have 1 mission. shoot down ICBM's in mid flight. The only person that needs to worry is the one launching the ICBM's.



Precisely. The Russians are VERY concerned about it, but not really in a US/Europe context.

Barring a radical shift in the geopolitical situation, Russia and the US have by and large buried the hatchet. Russia is likely still suspicious (but not massively so) of Germany, whose military has, after all, been to the outskirts of Moscow twice in the last 100 years, only to be defeated both times by the harsh Russian winter.

No, Russia's big concern is China.

China is densely populated, and resource hungry.
China has over the last couple of decades been modernizing and expanding their military.
Just to the north of China is the Russian area of Siberia, sparsely populated and resource rich.
There have been multiple 'border incidents' between the Soviet/Russian military and the Chinese military over the years along the Siberian/Chinese border.
Russia can no longer afford a military of overwhelming size anymore, and must increasingly rely on the nuclear deterrent.
Russia is going to need to rely on the Siberian resources for their own economic development in the coming years.
China has had a remarkable ability of the last couple of decades to 'come up with' some portions of US military technology.

The Russians don't want us to mess with the missile defense network, but not because they are afraid of the US or Europe. Russia doesn't want us to work on it, because they fear China will get ahold of it, effectively nullify the Russian Nuclear deterrent, and then the sheet hits the fan on the Chinese/Siberian border. The Russians are having a pucker-factor 9.9 fit over it. Brown trouser time.

The Russians NEED the USA and Europe as friends to help pressure China to 'play nice'.

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Message 1192551 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012, 18:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 1189339.  
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Precisely. The Russians are VERY concerned about it, but not really in a US/Europe context.

Ha ha ha. There is a big difference between USA and Europe. They are not together and they are radically different in mind.

Barring a radical shift in the geopolitical situation, Russia and the US have by and large buried the hatchet.


Read carefully "Public Law 86-90 Captive Nations Week Resolution" and keep in mind, that is not cancelled till today. That will be a cause for future intervention of "USA friendly allied forces"

Russia is likely still suspicious (but not massively so) of Germany, whose military has, after all, been to the outskirts of Moscow twice in the last 100 years, only to be defeated both times by the harsh Russian winter.


Small European countries that are close will never be able to become a threat to Russia. Because they are close, and because they are small. In addition, they have left the memory of past wars, it reminds them that it's not easy to win Russia . Russia has no fear of Germany, because Russia supplies a lot of raw materials and fuel to Germany.

China is densely populated, and resource hungry.
China has over the last couple of decades been modernizing and expanding their military.
Just to the north of China is the Russian area of Siberia, sparsely populated and resource rich.
There have been multiple 'border incidents' between the Soviet/Russian military and the Chinese military over the years along the Siberian/Chinese border.


China will never attack Russia just because missiles from Russia will reach China after 9 minutes. Six missiles would be enough to the country named China to disappear. Remember, China is close to Russia. However, you probably do not know that the population of northern China are actively migrating to Russia and successfully assimilated there. This will be both conquest and consolidation of Russia. Think about it. And think about why China together with Russia has blocked sanctions against Syria.

Russia can no longer afford a military of overwhelming size anymore, and must increasingly rely on the nuclear deterrent.


For any country does make sense to hold a large army. It is not only costly, but also requires complex management. Therefore, every country wants to have nuclear weapons, to quickly and effectively end the war. Russia is no exception.

The Russians don't want us to mess with the missile defense network, but not because they are afraid of the US or Europe.


Russia fears that it will be surrounded with the ring of early warning systems (they can also function as an intelligence system). If that happens, Russia will not deliver an effective missile strikes against the aggressor (meaning Britain and the U.S.). Therefore, placing the same ring around the U.S.: write in Cuba, at the north pole, and so on will be the appropriate response.

..blah blah because they fear China will get ahold of it, effectively nullify the Russian Nuclear deterrent, blah blah ...

6 missiles, 9 minutes and 600 tanks will plow the land that was once China

The Russians NEED the USA and Europe as friends to help pressure China to 'play nice'.


Russia needs to be a bridge between east and west like Russia always was but more modern and civilized. Russia needs to be integrated into Europa and Asia in same time.
A good idea to avoid war between US and Russia could be a big country Europe.

Now Iran, next Russia.
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Message 1193536 - Posted: 11 Feb 2012, 3:48:37 UTC

Plus at least hundreds of thousands of russians seeking any chances to leave russia. Even my one close contact in Moscow contacted me to leave russia either for the west or asia.

In the past 10 years 1.2 million russians escaped Putin tyranny, mostly to the west seemingly.
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Message 1197618 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 4:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 1189339.  

Russia is likely still suspicious (but not massively so) of Germany, whose military has, after all, been to the outskirts of Moscow twice in the last 100 years, only to be defeated both times by the harsh Russian winter.

LOL. As a Russian, I am laugh on your knowledge of history.
WW1 - Germans never was near Moscow.
WW2 - "A paper published by the U.S. Army's Combat Studies Institute in 1981 concluded that Hitler's plans miscarried before the onset of severe winter weather. He was so confident of quick victory that he did not prepare for even the chance of winter warfare in the Soviet Union. Moreover, his eastern army suffered more than 734,000 casualties (about 23% of its average strength of 3,200,000 troops) in the first five months of the invasion, and on 27 November 1941, General Eduard Wagner, Quartermaster General of the German Army, reported "We are at the end of our resources in both personnel and material."
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Message 1197685 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 9:55:50 UTC

The first invasion of Russia, defeated by the weather, was Napoleon for the French in June 1812.
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Message 1197781 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 15:05:04 UTC - in response to Message 1197685.  

What Ghengis Khan doesn't count. Even the Huns visited Russia for a while. To say they've never been conquered is short sighted. No country can really claim that... Canada maybe.


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Message 1197795 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 15:49:33 UTC - in response to Message 1197781.  

What Ghengis Khan doesn't count. Even the Huns visited Russia for a while. To say they've never been conquered is short sighted. No country can really claim that... Canada maybe.

What about 1759.
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Message 1197802 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 15:57:03 UTC - in response to Message 1197795.  

Come onnnnnn it was the French


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Message 1197810 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 16:19:22 UTC - in response to Message 1197802.  
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Come onnnnnn it was the French

Just think how much worse all the American/Canadian misunderstndings would be if they spoke French on the other side. They are our traditionl enemy, but at least we are separated by water, you wouldn't have had that luxury for most of the borders length.
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Message 1198005 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 22:00:03 UTC - in response to Message 1197781.  

What Ghengis Khan doesn't count. Even the Huns visited Russia for a while. To say they've never been conquered is short sighted.

The full-scale Mongol invasion of Rus' in the twelfth century led to the East Slavic people splitting into three separate nations, modern day Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Since it's formation as modern day Russia, Russia has been defeated three times, in each case by Ukraine. In each case it was in my dreams... ;)


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Message 1198044 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 23:40:14 UTC

At that time Mongol invasion reached to Poland and some parts of Germany perhaps was just quick attack not permanent settlement thing.
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Message 1198056 - Posted: 21 Feb 2012, 0:31:09 UTC - in response to Message 1197685.  

The first invasion of Russia, defeated by the weather, was Napoleon for the French in June 1812.

So, "defeated by the weather", really? But why the Napoleon's army leave Moscow and began the retreat long before the winter? ;)
Sitting in the ruined Moscow without having received the Russian capitulation (btw, Moscow was not the capital of Russia at that time) and facing Russian operations against his supplies forced Napoleon and his army out of Moscow. French army was already very diminished after many battles against Russian army on the road to Moscow. Napoleon started his retreat on October 19. Initially he tried to reach Kaluga, where his army could find food and forage supplies. On October 24, at the Battle of Maloyaroslavets, Kutuzov was able to force the French army into retreat using the same Smolensk road on which they had earlier moved East and which had been stripped of food by both armies. This was a key point to disaster for the remains of the French army. But real winter disaster began later, when outcome of war company was already clear.
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Message 1198156 - Posted: 21 Feb 2012, 9:01:14 UTC - in response to Message 1198044.  

At that time Mongol invasion reached to Poland and some parts of Germany perhaps was just quick attack not permanent settlement thing.

I believe there was strife in the Mongol leadership and the invasion was only ended by a Mongol succession crisis.


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