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David S  Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 
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Okay, I just uninstalled 6.12.34, downloaded 6.10.60 for Windows 64 bit, tried to install it, and got a message the installer doesn't support (or isn't supported by, whichever) my processor. I bought this computer used, so I'm not exactly sure of its specs, but before I downloaded I checked the Windows System screen. It says I have an AMD Athlon 64 processor 3200+. Doesn't that mean it's 64 bit? Or did AMD name it 64 just for the hell of it? I deleted the 64 bit installer and downloaded the 32 bit, and it installed and is running fine (and downloaded 2 new tasks in 12 and 13 seconds respectively). Maybe now this machine will finally decide to get an Einstein once in a while. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. ID: 1176158 ·  |
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Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 
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Okay, I just uninstalled 6.12.34, downloaded 6.10.60 for Windows 64 bit, tried to install it, and got a message the installer doesn't support (or isn't supported by, whichever) my processor. I bought this computer used, so I'm not exactly sure of its specs, but before I downloaded I checked the Windows System screen. It says I have an AMD Athlon 64 processor 3200+. Doesn't that mean it's 64 bit? Or did AMD name it 64 just for the hell of it? Your AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ host only has 32bit Windows XP. Claggy ID: 1176160 · |
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Zapiao Send message Joined: 29 Oct 01 Posts: 110 Credit: 122,278 RAC: 0 
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I dont need to use any proxy By your command !!! ID: 1176257 · |
qbit  Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0 
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Hello everybody! I was away from BOINC for a while because of personal reasons and I'm back now since a few days. My main project now is Test4Theory but that project only uses one of the cores of my dual core processor so while I'm not at home and not using my computer the other core (and the GPU) need some work also and so I deceided to run some SETI tasks. Unfortunatly I was only able to run a few tasks because I either a) don't get any tasks b) can't download the tasks I get c) can't upload and report finished tasks I have no idea what's wrong with this project but at the moment it sems to be a waste of time. Let me give you an example. I started my computer around 11 a.m. today and until now (2 p.m.) haven't been able to run any SETI task:
12/7/2011 10:52:42 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. 12/7/2011 10:52:42 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU 12/7/2011 10:52:46 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 12/7/2011 10:52:46 AM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available 12/7/2011 10:57:51 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. 12/7/2011 10:57:51 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU 12/7/2011 10:57:54 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 12/7/2011 10:57:54 AM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available 12/7/2011 11:03:00 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. 12/7/2011 11:03:00 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU 12/7/2011 11:03:05 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 12/7/2011 11:03:05 AM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available 12/7/2011 11:08:11 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. 12/7/2011 11:08:11 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU 12/7/2011 11:08:27 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks 12/7/2011 11:08:29 AM | SETI@home | Started download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu 12/7/2011 11:08:29 AM | SETI@home | Started download of 23oc11ag.17131.15200.12.10.211 12/7/2011 11:09:13 AM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu: HTTP error 12/7/2011 11:09:13 AM | SETI@home | Backing off 11 min 4 sec on download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu 12/7/2011 11:09:17 AM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/7/2011 11:09:20 AM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/7/2011 11:09:25 AM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of 23oc11ag.17131.15200.12.10.211: HTTP error 12/7/2011 11:09:25 AM | SETI@home | Backing off 12 min 54 sec on download of 23oc11ag.17131.15200.12.10.211 12/7/2011 11:09:28 AM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/7/2011 11:09:29 AM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/7/2011 11:10:16 AM | SETI@home | work fetch suspended by user 12/7/2011 11:20:18 AM | SETI@home | Started download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu 12/7/2011 11:20:21 AM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu: HTTP error 12/7/2011 11:20:21 AM | SETI@home | Backing off 31 min 19 sec on download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu 12/7/2011 12:40:16 PM | SETI@home | Started download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu 12/7/2011 12:40:16 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 23oc11ag.17131.15200.12.10.211 12/7/2011 12:40:19 PM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu: HTTP error 12/7/2011 12:40:19 PM | SETI@home | Backing off 1 hr 7 min 52 sec on download of ap_27oc11ac_B5_P1_00050_20111207_17783.wu 12/7/2011 12:41:40 PM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of 23oc11ag.17131.15200.12.10.211: HTTP error 12/7/2011 12:41:40 PM | SETI@home | Backing off 29 min 27 sec on download of 23oc11ag.17131.15200.12.10.211 12/7/2011 12:41:43 PM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/7/2011 12:41:45 PM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
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Brkovip  Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 274 Credit: 144,414,367 RAC: 0
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Hello everybody! Nope you are stuck. 6.10.xx works a little better but even with that I am still struggling to get tasks. I can't fill my cache by any sense of the word and mine is only set for 5 days. I am lucky if I can get 1 day. ID: 1176278 · |
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Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 
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Edit: I use BOINC 6.12.34 and I don't wanna go back to 6.10.xx because Test4Theory recommends the newer version. Is there no way to change the backup times in 6.12.xx? All projects recommend the the latest version, even SAH. I would suggest you try a roll back and see how it works. I would suggest you let your Test4Theory work units run out first before you try it though just in case. BOINC is just a shell that the projects use as a wrapper for their own applications, BOINC itself does no crunching its an administrative program. So theoretically you should be able to use 6.10.58 or 60 without a problem. T.A. ID: 1176286 · |
 Gundolf Jahn Send message Joined: 19 Sep 00 Posts: 3184 Credit: 446,358 RAC: 0 
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BOINC itself does no crunching its an administrative program. So theoretically you should be able to use 6.10.58 or 60 without a problem. In principle you are right, but the newest BOINC clients have features specific for T4T's virtual machine handling. Gruß, Gundolf ID: 1176291 · |
Richard Haselgrove  Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14653 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874
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Edit: I use BOINC 6.12.34 and I don't wanna go back to 6.10.xx because Test4Theory recommends the newer version. Is there no way to change the backup times in 6.12.xx? Different versions of BOINC have different - steadily increasing - levels of native support for different sorts of new hardware. Thus - for true, native support on projects with built-in applications, not the fiddling around with app_info.xml that we do here - you'd probably need to be using: v6.10.xx for NVIDIA (CUDA) apps v6.12.xx for ATI (CAL) apps v7.0.xx for ATI/NV (OpenCL) apps Test4Theory probably requires (not just recommends) something late in the v6.12.xx range to support their virtualisation - I haven't checked recently, they're a one-off. ID: 1176292 · |
Convergence  Send message Joined: 23 Jun 08 Posts: 117 Credit: 2,928,788 RAC: 0
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I downgraded to 6.10.60, no change. It still won't download anything new. In the log it says "Message from server: Project has no tasks available". I was able to upload all my results, though. ID: 1176350 · |
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qbit Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0
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Thx folks. I was able to get at least a few tasks today, let's hope things get better soon. As for T4T and the BOINC client: It looks like 6.12.34 is just recommended at the moment but may be required in the near future: Upgrade BOINC client to version >= 6.12.34 Additionally, here's what Daniel (one of the Project Admins for T4T) wrote on the forums: ....Since we launched the version 7.03 of the application, you should be getting only new tasks if your client has a version 6.12.X. The reason is that the new BOINC client (and the latest stable one) is aware of VirtualBox and this will suppose a major benefit for the project and the users, as some of the problems that we have in the past have been addressed in these latest releases. Thus, please, if you can, update your BOINC client. How about 7.0.2 ? Same backoff times as 6.12.34 ?
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Lee Gresham  Send message Joined: 12 Aug 03 Posts: 159 Credit: 130,116,228 RAC: 0
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I'm seeing the same messages and deferrals with 6.10.60. Its been going on ever since the Tuesday maintenance. Delta-V ID: 1177348 · |
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Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0
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... Yes, but also a new work-fetch policy as described in ClientSchedOctTen. Joe ID: 1177388 · |
zoom3+1=4  Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65766 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49
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Thx folks. I was able to get at least a few tasks today, let's hope things get better soon. Lets see, I run a real Windows 7 platform, since Virtual Box is not for Windows from what the wiki says, I'll stay with 6.10.58, As I don't like how 6.12.xx acts, as It sounds like It will always be No work and is the wrong way and If that means saying goodbye to Seti@Home then so be It. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's 
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kittyman     Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004
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Don't mess with the kitties' 6.10.XX!!!! Meeeeeeoooooowwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster 
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MarkJ  Send message Joined: 17 Feb 08 Posts: 1139 Credit: 80,854,192 RAC: 5
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I have posted to the BOINC mailing lists regarding the backoff's being too agressive in later versions. Hopefully something will come out of it. ID: 1177416 · |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13746 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304
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The backoffs would be OK under normal circumstances- ie network traffic was only maxed out for a few hours a day, or for a half a day in a week. But since the traffic is always maxed out (unless the system is down), clients just won't get any work because of the length of the backoffs & the rate at which they ramp up. Grant Darwin NT ID: 1177419 · |
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Team kizb Send message Joined: 8 Mar 01 Posts: 219 Credit: 3,709,162 RAC: 0
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"Since we launched the version 7.03 of the application, you should be getting only new tasks if your client has a version 6.12.X." "We know that there are a lot of users with a version 6.10, and we are still thinking what to do about these users" This seems to say that support for 6.10.xx is being dropped, can anyone confirm this is true? It seems like a lot of people are still running the old versions because they still work the best. My Computers: â–ˆ Blue Offline â–ˆ Green Offline â–ˆ Red Offline ID: 1177491 · |
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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22222 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380
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What is the source of this information about version 7.03 being launched? Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? ID: 1177492 · |
Mike  Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34258 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80
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I´m mostly at my daily limits 300/400. Funny thing i get lots of VLARs for my GPU and only VHARs for my Phenom. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. ID: 1177496 · |
James Sotherden  Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54
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Thx folks. I was able to get at least a few tasks today, let's hope things get better soon. Its for the T4T project whatever that is. Not Seti@Home  [/quote]Old James ID: 1177497 · |
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