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Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 |
how do you expect to spend eternity? Quietly resting. Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
do you believe in an afterlife why go back to just the big bang, certainly something caused the big bang... why do we think TIME started at the moment of the big bang? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
why go back to just the big bang, certainly something caused the big bang... There is no reason to assume a causal principle. why do we think TIME started at the moment of the big bang? Because that is when the dimension of time unfolded became greater than zero length. |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
why go back to just the big bang, certainly something caused the big bang... there is no reason not to... how do we know that time unfolded then? |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6652 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
The big bang may or may not have been the start of this particular universe. M-theory suggests a collision of membranes changed the frequency of the point of contact, hence allowing mass as we know it to exist, although it is purely theoretical. The way I see it, is that before I was born, I had a lot of practice being dead. I will be putting that practice to use one day. I don't remember much of the 13.7 billion years that elapsed before I was born, and I don't expect to remember much of the eons that will come after my death. The trick for me, is to stay alive as long as possible. It's too bad people don't live long enough to watch plate techtonics in action. To see mountains and seas rise and fall, and continents change shape. We get a tiny glimpse of what happens, but don't live anywhere near long enough to experience real changes to climate and topography. Even the Earth itself has only been here for about 4.5 billion years, and will be swallowed by the sun in about another 4 billion years. About the same time as the Andromeda galaxy collides with the Milkyway. The rest of the universe will continue on for about 10^100 years, when it will evaporate back into the membranes where it came from....... Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
Steve, i tend to think of it as "un-alive" as opposed to "undead" maybe we in our present consciousness cannot remember that time before we were born... we have,between our ears, the most complex computers known to man. the software we use to operate them is evolving constantly...who says we didn't have human dos 3.1 before birth and we can't access those files anymore. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
plus Einstein's relativity theory has been proven on numerous occasions. No. I found it interesting that I located a website where my question was echoed. And that same site reminded me, it's not "the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one," but that "all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the best." I have some questions, which I am unable to frame just yet, but I still believe my point is a valid one. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The big bang may or may not have been the start of this particular universe. M-theory suggests a collision of membranes changed the frequency of the point of contact, hence allowing mass as we know it to exist, although it is purely theoretical. While generally correct, I do believe events such as the 2004 tsunami did allow us to see changes in the shapes of landmasses, IIRC. |
Jon Send message Joined: 18 Aug 11 Posts: 2 Credit: 335,920 RAC: 0 |
You get 72 virgins. Doesn't say you get to do anything with them. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
why go back to just the big bang, certainly something caused the big bang... Actually there is a reason not to. Many people have a very hard time accepting it. I think therefore I am is false. You can not get to I am from thinking without an assumption of a causal principal. The rest of the things you need you can prove mathematically, but you have to assume causality. Here is the rub, If an artificial intelligence is capable of thinking, then you disprove causality. This because of a computing law about a program running on a simulator being unable to tell if it is running on a simulator or on real hardware. Hence thinking is unable to tell if it is a simulation or real. This leaves us with: I think, therefore there is thinking. And you and the world cease to be real. Besides with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle we are at best a probability function. So it all neatly falls into place and we can not prove ourself to be real, but we can't exclude reality either. It is kind of circular, but until time unfolds, there isn't time. Therefore it did not exist before that. However I think you are trying to say that the other dimensions - X,Y,Z - unfolded after time. I'm not aware of a theory that has them unfolding at a different point. Perhaps that is inflation. I can't do the math. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
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nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
ahhhh i heard them on Sirius last night... but back to this fiction we have created around ourselves.... why should we have an afterlife and every other creature on earth not have one? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
ahhhh i heard them on Sirius last night... And who says kitties don't have an afterlife? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
Mark, that is exactly what i'm saying... energy drives our neurons .... we physically expire....but that electrochemical process converts... |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
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Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Sorry about that blank post. I'm not sure why it is not showing up, so I'll just take the path of least resistance. All I posted was a t-shirt that read: Heaven is where... The police are British The cooks are Italian The lovers are French The mechanics are German And it's all organized by the Swiss Hell is where... The cooks are British The mechanics are French The lovers are Swiss The police are German And it's all organized by the Italians |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
ahhhh i heard them on Sirius last night... Ah....that was the wife again......I keep telling her to be a bit quieter......... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
@Sirius - I would not dare to make a comment ... ;-)) Why do you think I got "B" after my name? Women only let us think we're the boss..... .....that's why I hope there's no afterlife....LOL |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
Sirius, can i interest you in triple pane windows... energy efficient and almost soundproof... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Sirius, can i interest you in triple pane windows... Nah...Sirius A only wants 100% soundproofing..... |
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