http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWRfBZY-ng

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

The graph I just posted didn't come out as well as I had hoped.

The blue bar is private sector and the red is public.
They are grouped by education levels.

The public sector DOES NOT do better than the private

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

You would have to factor in all of the millions of private sector people who have no income since they have lost their jobs. Public Sector jobs in the US have increased by 200,000 in the past two years. Since those in the private sector have lost probably close to 10 million jobs ( underemployment is close to 20% in the US ) then I would venture to say that a study by education level of all people of those levels (not just those employed) would show a very different picture than what your graph apparently does.

Also: average is not always a good descriptor; what is the Median? The average net worth of those alumni of Bill Gates' High school class is at least $50,000,000.

Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

The graph I just posted didn't come out as well as I had hoped.

The blue bar is private sector and the red is public.
They are grouped by education levels.

The public sector DOES NOT do better than the private

I post an article showing they've been paying NOTHING towards their pensions and you post a hippy playing music? What am I supposed to do with that?

Robert, unionized workers have got to start paying towards their pensions and benefits like everyone else, in a similar amount like everyone else in the private sector, PERIOD.

So public employees not only get the shaft when it comes to wages now they should be forced to pay into pensions? Pensions are compensation. This isnt a small california town counsel that is looking to cash in for life. These are people that work for a living and generally for less than their private counterparts


want proof Here you go

Still don't believe? If not then why bother posting anymore. Being convinced of something even with clear concise evidence to the contrary is a condition that comes with watching to much Fox news and listening to conservative radio. YOu've been fed a diet of lies and conceit. Its time to ween yourself of the lies

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

How can Americans sit on their hands while their country is racing downhill to its destruction?
You are arguing about the color of the walls while the roof is coming down. Governor Walker is pulling the whole country down in to a hole after himself.
Remember, after it is all over there will not be a second chance in some other part of the world. You will have to live with that what you have done to your selves.
You will find no other country who will be willing to take a chance with a people who have demonstrated their inability be one country.
Members of my family gave blood in the past on behalf of freedom as citizens of America, was that all in vain?
It is not too late, but it is close.
Hang in there, we are pulling for you!
celttooth

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I thought it was the 'can's that was the party of no. Looks like this case it is the 'crat's that are the party of no.

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Where have all the flowers gone
Long time passing.

Long Time ago

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Janice

You would have to factor in all of the millions of private sector people who have no income since they have lost their jobs. Public Sector jobs in the US have increased by 200,000 in the past two years. Since those in the private sector have lost probably close to 10 million jobs ( underemployment is close to 20% in the US ) then I would venture to say that a study by education level of all people of those levels (not just those employed) would show a very different picture than what your graph apparently does.

Also: average is not always a good descriptor; what is the Median? The average net worth of those alumni of Bill Gates' High school class is at least $50,000,000.

Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

While the corporate world is drowning in cash reserves, they aren't hiring.
While private sector jobs have been sent to low wages countries the private sector job pool dries up.

Your solution is to also eliminate public sector jobs so even more people can be destitute.
Seems you've done some figuring there.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

I post an article showing they've been paying NOTHING towards their pensions and you post a hippy playing music? What am I supposed to do with that?

Robert, unionized workers have got to start paying towards their pensions and benefits like everyone else, in a similar amount like everyone else in the private sector, PERIOD.

To your first point, you are supposed to listen to the song if so inclined, or not, I don't really care.

I don't know for a fact that they don't pay anything toward their pensions and benefits, but let's act as if that's true.
How would that have come about?

Obviously through the bargaining process. These benefits were accepted instead of wage increases. Everything was legally bargained in good faith.
If working people can negotiate good deals toward a pension, what the hell is wrong with that?
Only the wealthy should be secure in their old age?

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/16/news/economy/middle_class/index.htm
"Are you better off than your parents?

Probably not if you're in the middle class.

Incomes for 90% of Americans have been stuck in neutral, and it's not just because of the Great Recession. Middle-class incomes have been stagnant for at least a generation, while the wealthiest tier has surged ahead at lighting speed.

In 1988, the income of an average American taxpayer was $33,400, adjusted for inflation. Fast forward 20 years, and not much had changed: The average income was still just $33,000 in 2008, according to IRS data.

Meanwhile, the richest 1% of Americans -- those making $380,000 or more -- have seen their incomes grow 33% over the last 20 years, leaving average Americans in the dust.

Experts point to some of the usual suspects -- like technology and globalization -- to explain the widening gap between the haves and have-nots."

Surprise surprise.

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Janice

And the beatdown goes on....

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The gap between the rich and the middle class is larger than it has ever been due to the bursting of the housing bubble.

The richest 1% of U.S. households had a net worth 225 times greater than that of the average American household in 2009, according to analysis conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank. That's up from the previous record of 190 times greater, which was set in 2004.

The widening gap came even as wealthy households' average net worth tumbled 27% -- to about $14 million -- between 2007 to 2009. That's the first time that they suffered a decline since the three-year period of 1992 to 1995.

Meanwhile, the average family's net worth plunged 41% -- to just $62,200 -- from 2007 to 2009, according to EPI's calculations."
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And the beatdown goes on....

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Janice

It's funny how the wealthiest amongst us scream the loudest about being overtaxed yet its pretty clear that their wealth is increasing at astronomical speed. Seems they lied again.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

It's funny how the wealthiest amongst us scream the loudest about being overtaxed yet its pretty clear that their wealth is increasing at astronomical speed. Seems they lied again.

Funny, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet aren't screaming about being over taxed last I heard.

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Congratulations you've mentioned 2 billionaires out of how many people with income of 7 figures and higher. I consider your work only partially done

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Congratulations you've mentioned 2 billionaires out of how many people with income of 7 figures and higher. I consider your work only partially done

I believe you are the one postulating they are the people complaining about high taxes, list a few who are complaining.

I think you will find it is the ones earning less than 7 figures a year that are complaining.

Here is a little exercise for you. Take a list like Forbes and for all the ones that are US citizens add up their collective yearly income. What percent of the US National Debit is that? Yes, tax them at 100%. Does that solve the shortage?

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the top 1% paying their fair share would certainly be a good START.

In the mean time, they have their thugs and chumps doing the whining for them.

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Janice

the top 1% paying their fair share would certainly be a good START.

Define fair share. Ah, that's the rub isn't it!

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the top 1% paying their fair share would certainly be a good START.

Define fair share. Ah, that's the rub isn't it!

How about at LEAST the same percentage the average working person pays?

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Janice

The Taxes a Super Rich Elite pays in a year would fill a million PotHoles.

The Taxes an Average Working Person pays in a year would fill one PotHole.

Now, begin to describe fair.

Thank you.

iWorm 'em.