The median expected salary for a typical Systems Administrator in the United States is $71,780. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies.

Source: salary.com

PLEASE do not tell Matt.

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Janice

The median expected salary for a typical Systems Administrator in the United States is $71,780. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies.

Source: salary.com

PLEASE do not tell Matt.

:-)))))) .. could you pls. give a rough figure, what this ~ means in cash on account in the states?

Robert, they have told us they can tell us what will help when they know.
As far as location, the labs are on campus, the electricity is included.
The dish is in rural Brazil.

The user donation can not cover all of the costs, but it really helps. But it still will not make an always up situation. The infrastructure just will not support that. You are allowed to be frustrated, but the lab knows what preventative maintenance they can do and they do as much as they can.

It can be frustrating when things break. But things break. They are still integrating 3 new servers. One of those replaced and partially refurbished(in lab) is helping to get gowron back online (hopefully). What they NEED is
time. And patience. In the mean time some of us can save a few nickles to toss in the kitty for when they figure out what they need, we can try to provide it.

The budget is virtually non-existant. And yet.. we have continued making progress for the last (going on ) 12 years. Reasonable?? I would say they have been building the Taj Mahal from dumpster diving!!

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Janice

The median expected salary for a typical Systems Administrator in the United States is $71,780. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies.

Source: salary.com

PLEASE do not tell Matt.

I'm assuming that's full time---I believe Matt is part-time.

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Don't include me in your "We".

Any pain you feel is self induced.

S@H does not work for you. The tail does not get to wag the dog.

When you get to be in charge you can set the budget and do the hiring and firing.
Until then...

No mushrooms here.

No cheer leading was involved in this post.

That is regular full time(salary alone) 40 hours.

From experience, system admin functions go much over that. Typical system admin
would easily top 100K/year. Of course when you spend your nights dreaming in code, and your waking days forgetting to speak human... It is not terribly over paid. Just when they get the hardware sorted out.. someone has a new program from the ahthoseerrorsdonotmatter programmer to plug in bringing the system to its knees so everyone can scream what a terrible job the admin is doing..

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Janice

Robert, they have told us they can tell us what will help when they know.
As far as location, the labs are on campus, the electricity is included.
The dish is in rural Brazil.

The user donation can not cover all of the costs, but it really helps. But it still will not make an always up situation. The infrastructure just will not support that. You are allowed to be frustrated, but the lab knows what preventative maintenance they can do and they do as much as they can.

It can be frustrating when things break. But things break. They are still integrating 3 new servers. One of those replaced and partially refurbished(in lab) is helping to get gowron back online (hopefully). What they NEED is
time. And patience. In the mean time some of us can save a few nickles to toss in the kitty for when they figure out what they need, we can try to provide it.

The budget is virtually non-existant. And yet.. we have continued making progress for the last (going on ) 12 years. Reasonable?? I would say they have been building the Taj Mahal from dumpster diving!!

Since I don't know which Dish You're talking about, I have to ask Brazil? I thought Arecibo was in Puerto Rico... Or are You mentioning a New Dish that I've never heard of? If You are, Ok, My apologies.

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my bad Vic. Still the point remains.

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Janice

my bad Vic. Still the point remains.

You're only Human, So You had a brain fart... It happens.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Ok, it does seem that any extra staff for the Seti project is a non-starter for a number of reasons. That being so, it is clear that the existing team are having to continue doing their very best, under the constraints that they have to work with. And I think they do pretty damn well considering.

It is therefore not helpful to them or anyone else, for people to consistently moan and groan that things are not to their liking. There are currently 50 Boinc projects that are available, and it would make much more sense for those that are unhappy here to go and support one of them.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list

OR, Start thier own project, So we can lambast them when ever there is a glitch.

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.. for ME .. still & again NOT the point .. to simply show people the door if they have concerns; that´s a very impolite approach. btw. i only read this from members, never from the team themselves. looks like it would be helpful to just improve communication?

it's one thing to point a finger, accuse, bemoan and cajole a project. It's another thing to do all that while having a constructive solution.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

it's one thing to point a finger, accuse, bemoan and cajole a project. It's another thing to do all that while having a constructive solution.

No, nothing wrong at all to point out problems and a possible solution for them.
Sometimes too much simple complaining goes on though, with nothing offered in the way of fixing the problem.
And sometimes what we on the outside see as a solution is just not workable on the other side of the server wall.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

it's one thing to point a finger, accuse, bemoan and cajole a project. It's another thing to do all that while having a constructive solution.

right .. of course, i agree.
but .. after having read SO many things here (what i´m going to reduce heavily) it´s very sure to be running in cycles .. over and over again the same (like in any forum other place). there is no real evolution, except some - of course.
have seen a lot of discussions about (possible) problems, but very few about solutions, targets and workarounds. from seti itself very clearly - and only - stated .. it´s ressources. i didn´t see anything about THEIR future plans or strategies - may be, i missed it.
as long as they do not (cannot) have more powerful funds except donations, they remain as is - doing a great job with this btw.; so far i understood the whole story up to now, it´s absolutely no use to explain or even offer other strategies to run the project. one can donate if possible and/or willing and donate computing capacity, if jobs are there.
my very mistake from the beginning was, to see it in a different way also. now i think, as long as they are not explicitely ASKING, they are more or less doing fine as things are going now. in such a situation, even offers might be kind of "abusive" in my understanding.
ps: very sorry to "contaminate" your thread so much frizz!

It's another thing to post comments that have nothing to do with a topic based on assumptions

Not everyone has a solution hence discussion in a thread
posting comments off subject are just an attempt to derail any useful discussion and hijack the thread

Which appears to be some posters "Modus Operandi"
or they just like to see their posts

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.. for ME .. still & again NOT the point .. to simply show people the door if they have concerns; that´s a very impolite approach. btw. i only read this from members, never from the team themselves. looks like it would be helpful to just improve communication?

I don't think it should be viewed in an impolite way.

If someone is really that unhappy, then sometimes it's the only thing that you can do for them. People should focus on their happiness first and foremost. Complaining until things get better never works.

I really don't want to see anyone leave the project, as I truly feel that every person who leaves is truly a lost part of the project, but reality dictates that it's impossible to keep everyone - and even more impossible to keep everyone happy.

Sometimes showing them the door could be the best thing for their own happiness. It's not meant to be rude or impolite at all.

as long as they do not (cannot) have more powerful funds except donations, they remain as is - doing a great job with this btw.; so far i understood the whole story up to now, it´s absolutely no use to explain or even offer other strategies to run the project. one can donate if possible and/or willing and donate computing capacity, if jobs are there.

You're exactly right. The trick is getting everyone else to understand that this is about as good as the project is going to get unless they can secure $500,000+ per year in funding, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Part of the trick is to help people understand that a server outage is not necessarily a real problem. There are solutions available to keep a volunteer's CPU busy, which includes joining other projects or simply accepting the downtime as part of the story.

No one likes things when they aren't working, but perhaps this is the best test that we have to learn to understand that things are out of our control and we have to deal with them as best we can on our end.

This has been a very interesting discourse. For some/a few there is a small amount of realization that Seti has been barely surviving for years on the good will of others. It continues, your donations prove to UCB that Seti has something else which no one has (loyalty). It has each and everyone of You (Setizens), who somehow continues to find ways to get funds to Seti keeping it going.

Over the Years, many users have came an gone. Some did not have the advantage "you" do today. Eric told the facts. It is unfortunate to see Seti in this position, it took this thread to help so many reach an understanding of how fragile the Seti project is. How much is accomplished with so little.

I want to "Thank Each of You" for your concern, "WE" wait for Matt to get the hardware moves to a point where he can assess what help is needed.

I also know there are two camp's:

One camp determined to find ET, insist that they have spent thousands of dollars (pick your currency) on Computers/Hardware and monthly Electric Bills.

The other camp who have some managed to upgrade Computers/Hardware and still respond to a need for donations.

It would be nice if both camps could strike some kind of "Balance."

The bottom line is the Seti Staff has only so many hours/day to work on the project. Wages/Salary/time are dictated by UCB. Unless there is a very large windfall of cash, things are not going to change in the near future.
The question becomes how can "WE" the Setizens make the world more aware and able to generate the funding that is needed. That is the thread that can make a real difference. Those are the ideas that are needed.

Then we stand a "better" chance at finding ET.

For those that have managed to balance crunching WU's to returns the Results and Build the new machines AND spare a few pennies (in today's world economy). You are the Balance to tips the scale in Favor of Seti.

Pappa tip's His HAT.

Al

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