Constant network traffic - BOINC ignores "don't fetch new WU"

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Message 1070823 - Posted: 26 Jan 2011, 15:32:41 UTC

I have recently upgraded to ver 6.10.58.

I see constant network activity that relates to BOINC, either the manager or in some cases to Rosetta.

BOINC is running on a laptop that is used as a statinary PC, always on the internet, anways with external power. OS is Windows Vista Home.

I have tried to uninstall BOINC, without deleting data. I has not changed the situation.

The second problem is that I would prefere to completely uninstall BOINC and data, but without loosing the workunits completed. For some reason BOINC ignores my setting of "don't fetch more Work units", but happily reports completed WUs and fetch more WU.

Any clues on what the problem is and any cure to fix it.

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Message 1070891 - Posted: 26 Jan 2011, 19:13:17 UTC - in response to Message 1070823.  
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I have tried to uninstall BOINC, without deleting data. It has not changed the situation.

So BOINC is innocent - some other program is communicating (e.g. Skype, uTorrent, Bonjour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_(software) )
Or maybe you see the internal (in-the-computer, localhost) communication between BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) and boinc.exe ?


The second problem is that I would prefere to completely uninstall BOINC and data, but without loosing the workunits completed.

What do you mean?
Report completed tasks (press [Update]) before uninstalling.


For some reason BOINC ignores my setting of "don't fetch more Work units", but happily reports completed WUs and fetch more WU.

You have to press [No new tasks] for every project listed in Projects tab.


 


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Message 1070960 - Posted: 26 Jan 2011, 23:29:45 UTC

Note that the buttons say what will happen when you push them, NOT what the current state. So, if it says No New Tasks, that means that currently work fetch is allowed.


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Message 1071889 - Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 9:55:34 UTC - in response to Message 1070891.  

Sorry to have to say that I was imprecise in my description. It should have said “reinstalling” BOING, not uninstalling.

Running BOING – network traffic
Uninstalled BOINC – NO network traffic
Reinstalled BOINC - network traffic

I checked that is was boinc and boincmgr that caused the traffic using advanced system monitoring from Windows Control panel. (job list is not able to show the information)

The hint to press the button when it states Don’t fetch new work (or whatever it says in English, I run the Danish version) was useful.

Now I will wait for the to active WU to complete and then complete remove all BOINC and try ti install from scratch. If that does not help. I will reinstall the computer completely and maybe downgrade BOINC to an earlier version that did not cause the problem.

Thank You for the input.

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Message 1071906 - Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 11:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 1071889.  
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Running BOING – network traffic
Uninstalled BOINC – NO network traffic
Reinstalled BOINC - network traffic

I checked that is was boinc and boincmgr that caused the traffic using advanced system monitoring from Windows Control panel.


No need to Uninstall - just Exit BOINC to check.

"network traffic"?? - I don't think so
- try to pull the network LAN cable (or stop Wi-Fi) - the "network traffic" will continue!

This is not traffic to outside world - it is inside the computer (and perfectly normal and by design for all BOINC versions)

BOINC communicates to outside world only a few times per day for a few seconds!

Maybe even less (one time per day) for your type of CPUs which do about 2 tasks a day:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=392182

You can see all the real communication in the Messages tab.
E.g.:

27-Jan-2011 13:51:22 [SETI@home] Started upload of 03se10ad.27346.141619.3.10.173.vlar_1_0
27-Jan-2011 13:51:30 [SETI@home] Finished upload of 03se10ad.27346.141619.3.10.173.vlar_1_0
27-Jan-2011 15:11:05 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
27-Jan-2011 15:11:05 [SETI@home] Reporting 6 completed tasks, not requesting new tasks
27-Jan-2011 15:11:13 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed
27-Jan-2011 17:51:15 [SETI@home] Computation for task 03se10ad.27346.141619.3.10.162.vlar_0 finished
27-Jan-2011 17:51:15 [SETI@home] Starting 03se10ad.27346.141619.3.10.157.vlar_1
27-Jan-2011 17:51:15 [SETI@home] Starting task 03se10ad.27346.141619.3.10.157.vlar_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
27-Jan-2011 17:51:17 [SETI@home] Started upload of 03se10ad.27346.141619.3.10.162.vlar_0_0
27-Jan-2011 17:51:25 [SETI@home] Finished upload of 03se10ad.27346.141619.3.10.162.vlar_0_0
27-Jan-2011 22:15:35 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
27-Jan-2011 22:15:35 [SETI@home] Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks
27-Jan-2011 22:15:38 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
27-Jan-2011 22:15:41 [SETI@home] Started download of 10oc10ab.26128.281308.5.10.247
27-Jan-2011 22:16:15 [SETI@home] Finished download of 10oc10ab.26128.281308.5.10.247


 


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Message 1071917 - Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 13:19:18 UTC

What Bill is trying to say is that it is normal to see this "network activity".

BOINC consist of several parts that all communicate to each other through a TCP port (31416). That communicating is what you see, usually in some 3rd party firewall. These communications aren't going out onto the internet, they stay on your computer.
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Message 1072083 - Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 1:04:35 UTC

OK a slight longer description:

BOINC Mangager (BOINC_mgr.exe) calls the BOINC daemon (boinc.exe) through port 31416 on the local loopback address (127.0.0.0 - IPV4 or ::1 - IPV6). The calls are done this way to make remote control of all of your computers possible. The side effect is that some firewalls report this as network activity even though there are no bits leaving the machine. To confirm this, download Wire Shark and look to see what the endpoints are for all this communication. You will notice that it is all on your local computer.

IMHO firewalls that mark local communication as network communication are broken.


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Message 1072350 - Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 17:00:19 UTC - in response to Message 1072083.  

Thank you for the feedback. I have reinstalled BOINC completely, including renaming the datafolder.

I will just continue using the present version, I just wanted to make sure that nothing is wrong with BOINC and the no other program was using the program as a cover doing nasty things.

The "problem" was discovered when I changed to ZoneAlarm firewall, which marks the traffic in BOINC as network activity. PC Tools firewall does not.

Sorry for bothering you with the misunderstanding.

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Message 1072356 - Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 17:08:33 UTC - in response to Message 1072350.  

Thank you for the feedback. I have reinstalled BOINC completely, including renaming the datafolder.

I will just continue using the present version, I just wanted to make sure that nothing is wrong with BOINC and the no other program was using the program as a cover doing nasty things.

The "problem" was discovered when I changed to ZoneAlarm firewall, which marks the traffic in BOINC as network activity. PC Tools firewall does not.

Sorry for bothering you with the misunderstanding.

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I did think of one other setting that might be causing this. In the advanced view, Activity menu, there is a network section. If you are basing the network use on a schedule, you have to have this set to "based on preferences". If you are disabling it by hand, you need to switch between "always" and "never".


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