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Message 1098778 - Posted: 18 Apr 2011, 18:39:00 UTC - in response to Message 1098775.
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Well JOhnney, I look forward in due course, and with great interest, to listen to what you have to say on this matter. Do you have a timescale yet for publication?

Chris,
I've never published anything in my life. I didn't pass through the academic system, i barely passed final exams in secondary school. So i'm just not familiar with academic publishing. So one of my biggest stumbling blocks is learning how and where i should publish what i know.

The other problem that is slowing me down is i have to go and learn advanced doctorate level science's, then find the errors compared to the information i have been given, then decide what to do next. So i'm currently doing a crash coarse in advanced chemical engineering simply because i don't know anyone with advanced chemical engineering knowledge. And if i did know the right person to ask questions too, i could not tell them where i got the information or they would think i was a complete lunatic.

As a result, if i want to compile the information properly for publication, i have to just go learn what ever science is necessary to answer my own questions. You would not believe the presure i have been under for the last 4 months.

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Message 1098804 - Posted: 18 Apr 2011, 20:56:24 UTC

Johnney, All,

You do realise that our various calendars are completely arbitrary?


I could create any calendar I wished with any arbitrary start point and we could have a 2012 any time we wished!

In fact, just today, a calendar quirk from just under 2000 earth orbits ago has suggested a clash of calenders that has caused much confusion since that time:

Last Supper 'was on a Wednesday'


Myself, I'd use a 5-day week and consistent 5 'months' of 73 days each for four years at a time. Much more memorable than the old Roman system we cling on to still... Even though September is no longer the 7th month!

It's all a game of numbers and of what meaning we might give to them.


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Message 1098822 - Posted: 18 Apr 2011, 21:58:01 UTC - in response to Message 1098710.

That said, I just don't think that the Mayans would follow a calendar, that worked for who knows how many years, to suddenly just stop without explanation. I think they did know something...but what that something is, well we'll all find out soon enough.


The Mayan calendar was conveniently invented to help warn people - it probably means nothing considering the Spanish burned all their history. These prophecies are more to do with rabbinical writings and Christian apocrypha. (Maybe they relate to Mormon ideas about ancient South America. I wouldn't know...)


To this day, even in the reign of Hitler, no leader or army commanders have successfully wiped out an entire civilization/people or their history. I also don't believe that the Mayans were completely wiped out. civilizations don't spend hundreds(?) of years building temples and pyramids only to say one day..."ok lets move. Lets abandon everything we achieved and forget about it." That makes no sense. I am even puzzled by the Egyptians and other civilizations that seem to have just vanished. Why take so much time and effort to construct these things if ultimately your goal in the end is to abandon them? I don't think they would build these things with the thought in their head that "tourists will flock to these and wonder for generations what they mean."

I also don't think the Mayans had the ability to fully know or understand who Jesus was or what Christianity is/was. These people were much more isolated from the effects of Christianity than say the ancient Egyptians, the Romans and Greeks, but they might have had some idea of it.

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Message 1098862 - Posted: 19 Apr 2011, 3:25:08 UTC - in response to Message 1098822.

The Mayan people were certainly not “wiped out”: there are millions of them in the Yucatan region today. And despite what the Chicken Littles and urban-myth-makers say, the Maya calendar doesn’t “suddenly stop” in December 2012, rather ending one 144,000-day “Long Count” cycle and starting a new one. Were the Mayan Empire still extant the date would doubtless be an occasion for public festivities—the biggest New Year’s party in 400 years.
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Message 1098867 - Posted: 19 Apr 2011, 3:52:26 UTC - in response to Message 1098862.
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The Mayan people were certainly not “wiped out”: there are millions of them in the Yucatan region today. And despite what the Chicken Littles and urban-myth-makers say, the Maya calendar doesn’t “suddenly stop” in December 2012, rather ending one 144,000-day “Long Count” cycle and starting a new one. Were the Mayan Empire still extant the date would doubtless be an occasion for public festivities—the biggest New Year’s party in 400 years.


Then what...it just starts over? Makes no sense. Why design a calendar, that works perfectly for 400 years (394.2 years), from the day your civilization began until the day it ended. Did they know something would happen to them? So for 400 years they follow this calendar, then suddenly as quick as they began, it ends. Why abandon everything they achieved? It just makes no sense to me. So much work and effort for what turns out to be nothing.
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Message 1098889 - Posted: 19 Apr 2011, 6:51:37 UTC - in response to Message 1098862.
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The Mayan people were certainly not “wiped out”: there are millions of them in the Yucatan region today. And despite what the Chicken Littles and urban-myth-makers say, the Maya calendar doesn’t “suddenly stop” in December 2012, rather ending one 144,000-day “Long Count” cycle and starting a new one. Were the Mayan Empire still extant the date would doubtless be an occasion for public festivities—the biggest New Year’s party in 400 years.

Odysseus,
Funny thing about that number; 144,000 - Its mentioned in many places around the world and at different epochs in human history, especially the Christian bible;

Read it yourself;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144000_(number)

It says;
The number 144,000 has a religious significance for Christians because of its use in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament. The 144,000 are mentioned three times in the Book of Revelation:

Revelation 7:3-8 (ESV)
saying: "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the servants of God on their foreheads." And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel.

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Just in case people here are not aware, Book of Revelation in the Christian bible is the book that talks about the end times.

Lets also be clear about something!!;

The Mayans lived in Mexico, in central America. But the bible stories were written 9,000 miles away in Egypt/Israel/Iraq/Middle East. Funny how they both arrived at that number.

I also have a sort of "birth-mark" type of thing on my forehead. Ever since i was a child, i have tried several times to remove the mark but it always grows back. So i just learned to accept the mark and leave it alone.

About Book of Revelation;
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The Book of Revelation is the final book of the New Testament corpus. The title came into usage from the first word of the book in Koine Greek: apokalupsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation" (the author himself not having provided a title). It is also known as the Book of Revelation of St John the Divine or the Apocalypse of John.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

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Message 1098901 - Posted: 19 Apr 2011, 9:06:09 UTC

I hadn't read this before ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_John_-_dated_astronomically

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Message 1098928 - Posted: 19 Apr 2011, 12:59:05 UTC - in response to Message 1098901.

I hadn't read this before ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_John_-_dated_astronomically

That guy gives a date of September 30, 395 A.D.

Yep, that was me alright! I saw that solar eclipse back in 395 A.D.. I just forgot to tell you guys that i'm over 1,600 years old. That reminds me, i must renew my old age pension again, for the 450th time.

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Message 1099026 - Posted: 20 Apr 2011, 1:59:43 UTC

It’s not particularly surprising to see such a ‘round’ number occurring in apparently unrelated contexts. To think a connection likely I’d need to see a detailed correspondence in structure and significance. Here, for example, we have a cycle of 20 × 18 × 20 × 20 = 144,000 days on the one hand, and a collection of 12 × 12,000 = 144,000 ‘sealed’ individuals on the other: what relation is there beside the number itself?

Many ancient calendars describe periods that are much too long for any practical purpose, but that symbolically reflect the structure of the cosmos as understood by the inventors. Time itself was often conceived as cyclic; recurring seasonal and astronomical phenomena were seen as manifestations of fundamental governing principles. Observing these rhythms was considered vital to the maintenance of social order and integrity.

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Message 1099063 - Posted: 20 Apr 2011, 6:55:51 UTC - in response to Message 1099026.

It’s not particularly surprising to see such a ‘round’ number occurring in apparently unrelated contexts. To think a connection likely I’d need to see a detailed correspondence in structure and significance. Here, for example, we have a cycle of 20 × 18 × 20 × 20 = 144,000 days on the one hand, and a collection of 12 × 12,000 = 144,000 ‘sealed’ individuals on the other: what relation is there beside the number itself?
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Hi Odysseus,
Yea, your right. Mathematically it is an easy number to get to because its divisible by tonnes of other numbers. But you got to admit, the 2 cultures were thousands of miles and an ocean apart, but they both liked the same number. And they both associated the number with the end of something, whatever that something might be.

I'm not a fan of playing with numbers, but i do find this coincidence interesting.

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Message 1099166 - Posted: 20 Apr 2011, 16:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 1099063.

It’s not particularly surprising to see such a ‘round’ number occurring in apparently unrelated contexts. To think a connection likely I’d need to see a detailed correspondence in structure and significance. Here, for example, we have a cycle of 20 × 18 × 20 × 20 = 144,000 days on the one hand, and a collection of 12 × 12,000 = 144,000 ‘sealed’ individuals on the other: what relation is there beside the number itself?
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Hi Odysseus,
Yea, your right. Mathematically it is an easy number to get to because its divisible by tonnes of other numbers. But you got to admit, the 2 cultures were thousands of miles and an ocean apart, but they both liked the same number. And they both associated the number with the end of something, whatever that something might be.

I'm not a fan of playing with numbers, but i do find this coincidence interesting.

John.


Coincidences are so rare, it's like winning the lottery jackpot 5 times in a row. I don't believe in coincidences. Especially in the case of mathematics.
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Message 1099190 - Posted: 20 Apr 2011, 17:37:52 UTC - in response to Message 1099166.
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Coincidences are so rare, it's like winning the lottery jackpot 5 times in a row. I don't believe in coincidences. Especially in the case of mathematics.

And yet, given a large enough universe, or enough time, that very likely will happen.


We are one such rare coincidence. Indeed, we are the culmination of a chain of remarkable coincidences...

The Drake equation is a good mathematical game to try to gauge just how rare a coincidence our own existence is...

Indeed, we are so rare, we have to be very careful not to be blinded by our own rarity yet not become blinded by arrogance by our uniqueness...

(Is that why religions can take hold?...)


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Message 1099250 - Posted: 20 Apr 2011, 20:23:37 UTC
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Or guys we could just take things at face value and accept that God, Jesus, Ala, Mohammad and all the rest of the big boys are all coming back for one big party in 2012!!

Now who's buyin the beer? I got about 20 euro to chip in for beer and nuts.

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Message 1099289 - Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 0:17:32 UTC - in response to Message 1099250.
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Or guys we could just take things at face value and accept that God, Jesus, Ala, Mohammad and all the rest of the big boys are all coming back for one big party in 2012!! ...


They are all already here! No 2012 needed. They are all anthropomorphisms.


Ever wondered why G/g-od usually has a beard?...

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Message 1099650 - Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 14:58:18 UTC

Ever wondered why G/g-od usually has a beard?...


Nope! When all accounts and paintings were penned and created, electric shavers and razors weren't invented !

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Message 1099903 - Posted: 23 Apr 2011, 6:09:48 UTC - in response to Message 1099650.

maybe? 2012 is the year we make contact with something out of this universe. That would be great.
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Message 1099928 - Posted: 23 Apr 2011, 11:03:10 UTC

That is assuming 1. there is anything OUTSIDE our universe, or 2. there is more than one universe.

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Message 1100056 - Posted: 23 Apr 2011, 18:46:18 UTC - in response to Message 1099928.

2. there is more than one universe.
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Message 1100064 - Posted: 23 Apr 2011, 19:25:11 UTC - in response to Message 1099903.

maybe? 2012 is the year we make contact with something out of this universe. That would be great.

I agree with Lynn here! I'm actually looking forward to meeting all the big boys when they land in their spaceships.

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Message 1100070 - Posted: 23 Apr 2011, 19:32:08 UTC - in response to Message 1099928.

Here is my take on this subject:

In late 2012 the Large Hadron Collider will discover the Higgs boson. At that point several feisty cats will be placed amongst a good number of very nervous pigeons. :)

In the ensuing theological/scientific/cat/pigeon melee, it will go entirely unnoticed that the Universe doesn't give a rat's a*se what the human race thinks and will continue about its business as per usual.

But thats just my take on things...I could be wrong. ;)

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