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Message 1007314 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 6:54:34 UTC

From the application info page for my host #4504205...

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I'm willing to share some tasks...(grin)
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Message 1007323 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 8:40:54 UTC - in response to Message 1007314.  

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Message 1007362 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 12:28:52 UTC - in response to Message 1007323.  

Well my quota is OK, too, maybe a bit overdone, maybe a problem with
deadlines :)

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And that's only one, out of 8 platforms ;-)

Even the sun shines over here, who would want more, except a few million €/$ ......

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Message 1007377 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 13:22:09 UTC

SETI@home Enhanced (anonymous platform, nvidia GPU)
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I just want the credits for these 21252 tasks I completed in one day on a GT240 ;-)
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Message 1007396 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 14:22:03 UTC

Perhaps the gentleman that changed the code (Dr. Andersen (sp)???) could take the time to learn how to write an SQL query?
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Message 1007397 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 14:27:21 UTC - in response to Message 1007396.  
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Perhaps they could all be given a break and left to fix one thing at a time? That's not an unreasonable request, yes?

Or perhaps you could donate your expertise, and write it for him?
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Message 1007457 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 17:24:54 UTC - in response to Message 1007397.  

Perhaps they could all be given a break and left to fix one thing at a time? That's not an unreasonable request, yes?


Perhaps he/they could learn how to properly test code in the first place, and to have a Plan B in case of disaster. It's not hard, just requires some forethought.

Or perhaps you could donate your expertise, and write it for him?


I only wish I could; it's been several years since I was writing SQL queries for part of my living, and my skills have eroded...

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Message 1007473 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 18:05:12 UTC - in response to Message 1007457.  

Perhaps they could all be given a break and left to fix one thing at a time? That's not an unreasonable request, yes?


Perhaps he/they could learn how to properly test code in the first place, and to have a Plan B in case of disaster. It's not hard, just requires some forethought.


They did test it (SETI@home Beta), but there may well be a case to answer as to whether they tested it well enough (limited number of volunteers on the Beta project won't help). In any event, it looks like there's a few edge cases that caught them out since those queries do actually work for most people.

As for a Plan B, I'm guessing the upgrades required some database changes (addition of some columns to hosts table(s) for example). I don't know how big their BOINC database is, but given that the science databases weigh in at a few terabytes, a rollback might not be such an easy option.
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Message 1007480 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 18:22:32 UTC - in response to Message 1007473.  

Perhaps they could all be given a break and left to fix one thing at a time? That's not an unreasonable request, yes?


Perhaps he/they could learn how to properly test code in the first place, and to have a Plan B in case of disaster. It's not hard, just requires some forethought.


They did test it (SETI@home Beta), but there may well be a case to answer as to whether they tested it well enough (limited number of volunteers on the Beta project won't help). In any event, it looks like there's a few edge cases that caught them out since those queries do actually work for most people.

As for a Plan B, I'm guessing the upgrades required some database changes (addition of some columns to hosts table(s) for example). I don't know how big their BOINC database is, but given that the science databases weigh in at a few terabytes, a rollback might not be such an easy option.

If it was, as you say, tested on the Beta site, which is down at the moment, how long was it tested and why didn't someone announce that they were testing something other than CUDA, Fermi or AP on ATI graphics cards.

I haven't been there for several months, mainly because I have been busy doing other more important things. And also, because until very recently didn't have the h/ware to do the other testing.
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Message 1007485 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 18:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 1007480.  

Perhaps they could all be given a break and left to fix one thing at a time? That's not an unreasonable request, yes?


Perhaps he/they could learn how to properly test code in the first place, and to have a Plan B in case of disaster. It's not hard, just requires some forethought.


They did test it (SETI@home Beta), but there may well be a case to answer as to whether they tested it well enough (limited number of volunteers on the Beta project won't help). In any event, it looks like there's a few edge cases that caught them out since those queries do actually work for most people.

As for a Plan B, I'm guessing the upgrades required some database changes (addition of some columns to hosts table(s) for example). I don't know how big their BOINC database is, but given that the science databases weigh in at a few terabytes, a rollback might not be such an easy option.

If it was, as you say, tested on the Beta site, which is down at the moment, how long was it tested and why didn't someone announce that they were testing something other than CUDA, Fermi or AP on ATI graphics cards.

I haven't been there for several months, mainly because I have been busy doing other more important things. And also, because until very recently didn't have the h/ware to do the other testing.

When the Beta site is back up, you'll see a sequence of news posts (with dates) on the front page explaining what was going on. They date back almost three months.
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Message 1007490 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 18:44:21 UTC - in response to Message 1007480.  

Cuda Fermi is as far as I know is still being tested so to speak over here on Beta and also AP (ati13ati). These are posted on the Beta pages.

ATI testing is still ongoing here with op apps.

Cuda fermi was possibly sent over to main as more host over there have Fermi cards then over on beta.

Perhaps we should have a drive to obtain more hosts to give them a hand.

I beleive the ratio at the moment is Beta 1500 active host main 1,500,000+ active hosts.

Perhaps a few of the complainers would like to come and give us a hand, all no doubt are welcome..

Advantage a better project.

Disadvantage less credits to boast about.

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Message 1007496 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 18:59:46 UTC - in response to Message 1007485.  


When the Beta site is back up, you'll see a sequence of news posts (with dates) on the front page explaining what was going on. They date back almost three months.

But if you remember when we were testing enhanced and AP either myself or Pappa would post here on Number Crunching if extra effort was required on Beta.
And as I said I didn't visit there because I was busy, not only was I busy but most of the time I wasn't even at home.
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Message 1007509 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 19:55:03 UTC - in response to Message 1007490.  


I beleive the ratio at the moment is Beta 1500 active host main 1,500,000+ active hosts.


There show 1,900,000+ hosts for boinc, ever.

First crunched result will get you in the neighborhood of 400,000. That tells me that over 1 million never took active part in any boinc project, let alone seti in the last several years. in the 200,000 rank, you will see about 1 in 5 that actually crunched anything in the last month. 1.5 million active in seti?
maybe if you consider "ever signed up".



Perhaps a few of the complainers would like to come and give us a hand, all no doubt are welcome..

Advantage a better project.

Disadvantage less credits to boast about.

Michael


The "help wanted" section tells it all. Last post was looking for an artist, almost 6 months ago. Help in the lab? obviously un-wanted. Could be many issues as to why. But I take that as a polite "no thank you".

Fund raising efforts... Well let me see.. perhaps when people are not feeling beat up for any objection and ready to join the multitude of "yeah I did that for a while" they might feel inclined to donate above and beyond the time, energy, electrical power, and in some case major hardware configurations they have ALREADY donated.... so they can be verbally abused for not writing a check
for the honor?

Helpful hint.. people that are happy to be here might donate above and beyond
what they already have. But you really might consider respecting that which they have already done. You might end up with more people that are happy.






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Message 1007519 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 20:30:59 UTC - in response to Message 1007473.  

Perhaps they could all be given a break and left to fix one thing at a time? That's not an unreasonable request, yes?


Perhaps he/they could learn how to properly test code in the first place, and to have a Plan B in case of disaster. It's not hard, just requires some forethought.


They did test it (SETI@home Beta), but there may well be a case to answer as to whether they tested it well enough (limited number of volunteers on the Beta project won't help). In any event, it looks like there's a few edge cases that caught them out since those queries do actually work for most people.

As for a Plan B, I'm guessing the upgrades required some database changes (addition of some columns to hosts table(s) for example). I don't know how big their BOINC database is, but given that the science databases weigh in at a few terabytes, a rollback might not be such an easy option.


Ah, but one of the beauties of relational data bases (and SQL) is they don't care if you add new columns to old tables, or new tables. So all you would have to do to "rollback" is recompile the old queries, then use the old code/queries, even if the DB has been added to.
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Message 1007520 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 20:32:13 UTC - in response to Message 1007509.  
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The "help wanted" section tells it all. Last post was looking for an artist, almost 6 months ago. Help in the lab? obviously un-wanted. Could be many issues as to why. But I take that as a polite "no thank you".


Actually all the posts are locked so we don't know for fact what was offered or declined. I don't think we can assume anything based on those posts.

Fund raising efforts... Well let me see.. perhaps when people are not feeling beat up for any objection and ready to join the multitude of "yeah I did that for a while" they might feel inclined to donate above and beyond the time, energy, electrical power, and in some case major hardware configurations they have ALREADY donated.... so they can be verbally abused for not writing a check for the honor?

Helpful hint.. people that are happy to be here might donate above and beyond
what they already have. But you really might consider respecting that which they have already done. You might end up with more people that are happy.


Again you're preaching to the choir soft....Eric and his staff are doing absolutely everything they can do with what they have. This all was caused by one man above Eric---I think it'd be a GREAT idea for you to take the intiative and contact him yourself. Express your concerns directly as you have here---to the appropriate person. I'd be interested in reading of the response.

You'll probably yell at me for repeating past statements, but at this point you yourself are becoming quite repetitive as well. Not a poke at you--just a fact as I and others have expressed.


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Message 1007527 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 20:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1007520.  


Again you're preaching to the choir soft....Eric and his staff are doing absolutely everything they can do with what they have. This all was caused by one man above Eric---I think it'd be a GREAT idea for you to take the intiative and contact him yourself. Express your concerns directly as you have here---to the appropriate person. I'd be interested in reading of the response.

You'll probably yell at me for repeating past statements, but at this point you yourself are becoming quite repetitive as well. Not a poke at you--just a fact as I and others have expressed.


It is becoming repetitive. And my issues should obviously not be with the computer room. Many have defended their right to do whatever they want to the
software. My response is yes, but not with me on board. And yes that is very repetitive of me.

There has been no response to my question of when the next Alpha test is, I could take that a number of ways. Either they do not see what they are doing as alpha testing, or they feel no need to warn people of it, or they consider themselves above normal standards. Regardless..the question was left unanswered. That in and of itself is an answer of sorts.

Going to DA about the issues.. Not going to happen. I am simply going to go to 100K on SETI and pull the plug. My experience has been neither fun nor fruitful, but it has been honest.


And that made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

Good luck with it Blurf.
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Again you're preaching to the choir soft....Eric and his staff are doing absolutely everything they can do with what they have. This all was caused by one man above Eric---I think it'd be a GREAT idea for you to take the intiative and contact him yourself. Express your concerns directly as you have here---to the appropriate person. I'd be interested in reading of the response.

You'll probably yell at me for repeating past statements, but at this point you yourself are becoming quite repetitive as well. Not a poke at you--just a fact as I and others have expressed.


It is becoming repetitive. And my issues should obviously not be with the computer room. Many have defended their right to do whatever they want to the
software. My response is yes, but not with me on board. And yes that is very repetitive of me.

There has been no response to my question of when the next Alpha test is, I could take that a number of ways. Either they do not see what they are doing as alpha testing, or they feel no need to warn people of it, or they consider themselves above normal standards. Regardless..the question was left unanswered. That in and of itself is an answer of sorts.

Going to DA about the issues.. Not going to happen. I am simply going to go to 100K on SETI and pull the plug. My experience has been neither fun nor fruitful, but it has been honest.


And that made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

Good luck with it Blurf.


Am I right if I say that you are cross-posting a lot of dissatisfaction around on this forum?
It doesn't really solve anything.

You told us you stop at 100k and we accept that as your choice.
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Message 1007538 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 21:31:17 UTC - in response to Message 1007534.  

[And that made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

Good luck with it Blurf.


Am I right if I say that you are cross-posting a lot of dissatisfaction around on this forum?
It doesn't really solve anything.

You told us you stop at 100k and we accept that as your choice.


If you do not want to hear from unhappy people, perhaps you should not address them.


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If you do not want to hear from unhappy people, perhaps you should not address them.



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Message 1007542 - Posted: 23 Jun 2010, 21:41:44 UTC

i'm not liking these threads that become flame wars.
do not make things personal on the boards.

there is a certain amount of decorum expected here.
when that disappears we all lose in the long run.

stay cool.
read a book.
watch a game.
just chill.

come back later.

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