msattler, it's sad to hear about your probs.

Health is the most important thing in life.

If you need to switch off one, two or more PCs, for to have more money for your health, do it.

The RAC isn't important.
You're also welcome with a small RAC.

We all here around are here because of the same reason, search for extraterrestrial life.
It's not important how high the RAC is.

It may take a little longer, one/two weeks/months longer to find the WOW signal, if you reduced your RAC, but this isn't a prob..

Best wishes!

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My thanks to all of you.
Your thoughts and advice are not lost on me.

Drinking heavily is not gonna help anything, and may in fact make the situation worse.

I have set 4 of my rigs to no new tasks and will shut 3 of them down when they run out of work. The 4th is my daily driver.
For now, I am going to try to keep the 4 Cuda rigs running as they are the most productive of course, and see what the power bill does.

And I think a bit of restraint with the whiskey bottle would be in order too.

As with many things in life, saying is easier than doing.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I think our last two posts just crossed Mark! I like what I am hearing from you and we all wish you the very best. I have donated before to your local kitty sanctuary as you know. When your eye surgery is sucessfully completed I promise I will send some more.

And the kitties would thank you for that.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

This situation is a very good example of why universal single payer health care is good for regular people. The pampered elites never have to face the reality of giving up something they enjoy or even love for the sake of financing their portion of a medical procedure needed to maintain their quality of life.
No, they just cut a cheque for the full amount.

Anyone who supports the “for profit” health care system in America should take a moment to rethink the social injustice built into the system.

As msattler is now discovering, the free market is anything but free.

While some members of the SETI@Home forums have been quite vocal about their extreme right wing views, they must now acknowledge that the whole John Wayne stand on your own attitude cannot work for common citizens in a medical time of need.

There can be no equality or justice when citizens are cast aside by the system when they encounter insurmountable expenses due to medical needs, and this one is a relatively minor expense in the grand scheme of things.

So, in the name of the ideology of free markets, a member of the forums must most likely sell off personal possessions, cut back on the power needed to run those possessions and make many other sacrifices in order to pay the pound of flesh his insurers demand.

This does not happen in Canada. I know many of the extreme righties will call our medical system socialism and I don't give a damn.
If msattler happened to be a citizen of this country, he would simply walk in on the day of his surgery and walk out after his recovery period.
No one has to sweat out the stress of paying their deductible because the costs have been socialized.

We don't have to fall back on car washes and bake sales to raise funds. Of course, these are just smaller and more personal ways of socializing the costs but they are socializing none the less.

I'm very aware msattler's views on the so called socialization of his country under Obama and I'm quite certain that his ideology would never permit himself the calming effect afforded those of us who enjoy our universal single payer health care.
I'm also quite certain that, as one who has expressed deep concern about the creeping socialist attitudes within his country, msattler would never allow funding to be raised in his cause and that his ideology would never allow him to accept those funds if they were raised.

That would be too socialist.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

This situation is a very good example of why universal single payer health care is good for regular people. The pampered elites never have to face the reality of giving up something they enjoy or even love for the sake of financing their portion of a medical procedure needed to maintain their quality of life.
No, they just cut a cheque for the full amount.

Anyone who supports the “for profit” health care system in America should take a moment to rethink the social injustice built into the system.

As msattler is now discovering, the free market is anything but free.

While some members of the SETI@Home forums have been quite vocal about their extreme right wing views, they must now acknowledge that the whole John Wayne stand on your own attitude cannot work for common citizens in a medical time of need.

There can be no equality or justice when citizens are cast aside by the system when they encounter insurmountable expenses due to medical needs, and this one is a relatively minor expense in the grand scheme of things.

So, in the name of the ideology of free markets, a member of the forums must most likely sell off personal possessions, cut back on the power needed to run those possessions and make many other sacrifices in order to pay the pound of flesh his insurers demand.

This does not happen in Canada. I know many of the extreme righties will call our medical system socialism and I don't give a damn.
If msattler happened to be a citizen of this country, he would simply walk in on the day of his surgery and walk out after his recovery period.
No one has to sweat out the stress of paying their deductible because the costs have been socialized.

We don't have to fall back on car washes and bake sales to raise funds. Of course, these are just smaller and more personal ways of socializing the costs but they are socializing none the less.

I'm very aware msattler's views on the so called socialization of his country under Obama and I'm quite certain that his ideology would never permit himself the calming effect afforded those of us who enjoy our universal single payer health care.
I'm also quite certain that, as one who has expressed deep concern about the creeping socialist attitudes within his country, msattler would never allow funding to be raised in his cause and that his ideology would never allow him to accept those funds if they were raised.

That would be too socialist.

This belongs over on the political form, but it is the march to free medical care that is causing much of the problem. We not only pay for our care but we give very good care and maybe better care than we receive to those who don't pay. The difference is that it is hidden in your taxes where as it comes directly out of our pockets here. The person who is responsible and takes responsibility for their actions pay in this country. The irresponsible get off scott free.

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This belongs over on the political form, but it is the march to free medical care that is causing much of the problem. We not only pay for our care but we give very good care and maybe better care than we receive to those who don't pay. The difference is that it is hidden in your taxes where as it comes directly out of our pockets here. The person who is responsible and takes responsibility for their actions pay in this country. The irresponsible get off scott free.

Wrong Dena
This belongs exactly where I put it. It's in a thread posted by a guy who's going to have to make personal sacrifices to cover his costs in a for profit medical system.

Of course the costs come from our taxes. They aren't hidden.
The costs are a matter of public record.
The difference is that I wouldn't have to worry about how I was going to cover the cost from my own pocket.

Medical costs are socialized. That means it's equal for all and no one has to worry about remortgaging their home or worry about selling off assets during at medical situation that is already stressfull enough.

As for your howling at the irresponsible being treated better than those who try to do the right thing...save it for the Sarah Palin crowd, I don't buy it.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

This belongs over on the political form, but it is the march to free medical care that is causing much of the problem. We not only pay for our care but we give very good care and maybe better care than we receive to those who don't pay. The difference is that it is hidden in your taxes where as it comes directly out of our pockets here. The person who is responsible and takes responsibility for their actions pay in this country. The irresponsible get off scott free.

Wrong Dena
This belongs exactly where I put it. It's in a thread posted by a guy who's going to have to make personal sacrifices to cover his costs in a for profit medical system.

Of course the costs come from our taxes. They aren't hidden.
The costs are a matter of public record.
The difference is that I wouldn't have to worry about how I was going to cover the cost from my own pocket.

Medical costs are socialized. That means it's equal for all and no one has to worry about remortgaging their home or worry about selling off assets during at medical situation that is already stressfull enough.

As for your howling at the irresponsible being treated better than those who try to do the right thing...save it for the Sarah Palin crowd, I don't buy it.

Then would you explain this in your frame of reference.

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Then would you explain this in your frame of reference.

Find some other news organization other than Faux News and I might go ahead and read it to some degree.

Faux News was the only news in support of another stifling 4 more years of Sarah Palin. *Gasp*

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Then would you explain this in your frame of reference.

Find some other news organization other than Faux News and I might go ahead and read it to some degree.

Faux News was the only news in support of another stifling 4 more years of Sarah Palin. *Gasp*

Would it help if I told you it was a human interest story and not a political item?

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Then would you explain this in your frame of reference.

According to the piece you posted, doctors were unsable to do the surgery in Canada so the family went south. Thank you for being such good neighbours.

Should I post a bunch of pieces about Americans coming north for affordable treatments and pharmaceuticals?

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

An interesting article from the National Post...


U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
Greed, U.S. Politics, dysfunction


National disgrace: Free health care handed out to Americans last year in an animal pen.


Another American blowhard
Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering Conservatives for Patients’ Rights? He and his group are fabricating negatives about Canada’s health care system and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.
Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against universal health care without any justification whatsoever. Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.
Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of Scott’s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet content, then where is the FCC?


The real story
Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far from perfect, is dramatically better than America’s:
1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32 million people costs roughly what the private-sector health insurance companies make in profits in the United States looking after less than half the population for excessive premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still change employers and be employable because they are not rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care should be compared and there are tens of millions of Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal health care means volume discounts and savings passed along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance companies.

Is Canada’s system perfect? No and nobody said it was. Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies and any arguments about other countries’ practices should be ignored as totally irrelevant.
The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the world’s best medical care for its citizens instead of one of the worst.
Americans deserve better.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Your argument has so many flaw that I will not respond to in in this form because it is not intended for political arguments however the short and simple response is our problems are because of to much government and not to little. Our modern medical system was constructed by government committee and congress, not by the free market system. What Obama has signed will only make things worst because it was not a healthcare bill but was instead a political payoff. Why else would healthcare bill end all private funding of collage student loans for government student loans at a far higher interest rate? There are many more things hidden in that 2000 page bill that are payoffs. The bill wasn't even written by congress. It was written by several Democrat political groups, a wish list of sort and were merged into the final bill. The only ones to read the whole bill were Republicans. The Democrats were just told it was a good thing and to vote for it.

I feel sorry for you because if this monster is not killed, it will not only impact our health care but it could impact yours because fewer drugs will be available and you will no longer be able to send people to our country for care.

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I have seen this for a couple of days... To an extent it is a bit disheartening.

Seti is one of the largest social networks in the world. People have the opportunity to meet converse and become friends (no matter what part of the world they stand or sit in).

Currently I see something missing, just two words. Compassion and Empathy.

If you do not understand it, then you are in the wrong place.

Without being too brash, I hope you are sitting comfortably when Karma finds you. It will at a time of its own choosing.

Regards

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This does not happen in Canada. I know many of the extreme righties will call our medical system socialism and I don't give a damn.
If msattler happened to be a citizen of this country, he would simply walk in on the day of his surgery and walk out after his recovery period.

Ahem.

Although as a Canadian I have great admiration of the health care system (it preserved my 82 year old mother's life from esophageal cancer six years ago), what you say above is not true. My mother (the same one) had the same surgery Mark is faced with and had the same choices Mark has - Ontario's health care coverd basic lenses. Anything fancier was her dime (and she spent it to great results).

If msattler happend to be a citizen of Canada he would get the same treatment and face the same choices.

If on the other hand he had cancer, he would be well pleased with the first class treatment. And that by the way in a small southern Ontario city as well.

To your point that everything should be on the public's dime, I also disagree. If that were to hold true, no one would do anything to take care of themselves and only the "elites" would be paying the freight. Not a good idea given there aren't enough of them for everyone to have one of their own "tooth fairies".

Regards,

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To your point that everything should be on the public's dime, I also disagree. If that were to hold true, no one would do anything to take care of themselves and only the "elites" would be paying the freight. Not a good idea given there aren't enough of them for everyone to have one of their own "tooth fairies".

Wow. That argument could have been written word per word in the United States about the health care bill.

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I won't bother to comment on the argument that people wouldn't look after themselves.
Republicans, Conservatives and religious nationalists all carry a low opinion of their fellow citizens.


My father in law has had cataract surgery and a friend at work has just come back from a month off after having a new cornea implanted.

They didn't have to sell anything because they had no deductables to pay.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

I have seen this for a couple of days... To an extent it is a bit disheartening.

Seti is one of the largest social networks in the world. People have the opportunity to meet converse and become friends (no matter what part of the world they stand or sit in).

Currently I see something missing, just two words. Compassion and Empathy.

If you do not understand it, then you are in the wrong place.

Without being too brash, I hope you are sitting comfortably when Karma finds you. It will at a time of its own choosing.

Regards

I just thought of something while I was outside on my deck having a few beers. We did all come together from many different parts of the world, with our individual differences for a common goal. To find evidence of someone even more different that any individual here. Just a thought.

Steve

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I won't bother to comment on the argument that people wouldn't look after themselves.
Republicans, Conservatives and religious nationalists all carry a low opinion of their fellow citizens.


My father in law has had cataract surgery and a friend at work has just come back from a month off after having a new cornea implanted.

They didn't have to sell anything because they had no deductables to pay.

Was raised in America to believe that the Canadians were socialists and that their so-called state-aid Health care was real bad for the Peeps and Democracy.

Now that I'm here, I'm glad that it's in place. Two of my neighbors on my street have had heart bypass surgery and the total cost was zero to one and $45 to the other. Yes, $45 dollars; here in Ontario you don't have to pay the $30,000 for the bypass operation but you DO have to pay the $45 for the ambulance ride if you call 911.

I really love Canadians and their twisted sense of humor: Okay Joe - the operation is on us but you have to buy the 'Bus' ticket to get to the hospital... LOL

EDIT: spelling

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I won't bother to comment on the argument that people wouldn't look after themselves.
Republicans, Conservatives and religious nationalists all carry a low opinion of their fellow citizens.


My father in law has had cataract surgery and a friend at work has just come back from a month off after having a new cornea implanted.

They didn't have to sell anything because they had no deductables to pay.

Was raised in America to believe that the Canadians were socialists and that their so-called state-aid Health care was real bad for the Peeps and Democracy.

Now that I'm here, I'm glad that it's in place. Two of my neighbors on my street have had heart bypass surgery and the total cost was zero to one and $45 to the other. Yes, $45 dollars; here in Ontario you don't have to pay the $30,000 for the bypass operation but you DO have to pay the $45 for the ambulance ride if you call 911.

I really love Canadians and their twisted sense of humor: Okay Joe - the operation is on us but you have to buy the 'Bus' ticket to get to the hospital... LOL

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I thoroughly agree with your perspective on this. Catastrophic health events in one's life should not result in having to make decisions that end one's quality of life thereafter. Your good health is a public good as well.

On the other hand, utter and complete socialization of what is a choice - better lenses vs. "just" good ones when the cost differential is within the reach of nearly all of us is not a catastrophic health event.

As per the example I offered, my mother survived cancer. There are no halfway measures in the fight against something killing you. The greatest out of pocket expense was likely her children’s' parking charges at the hospital. I will willingly help pay for my fellow citizens fight in this regard. They're worth keeping around!

On the other hand she gladly carried the freight when it came to something within her ability to pay for that exceeded what socialized medicine offered.

It was also a public good that she got "free" health care for cataract surgery and "good" lenses. It was her option to go for all the bells and whistles possible and she picked up the tab instead of being "burdened" with corrective eye glasses. Her option, as why should the citizenry pay for every possible flair and flourish the health care industry can come up with when "good" is already a phenomenal improvement in one's eyesight already?

Surely we all have an obligation to our fellow citizens to carry the costs of our own preferences for "the best" when "good" is already being paid for by them.

Regards,

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To your point that everything should be on the public's dime, I also disagree. If that were to hold true, no one would do anything to take care of themselves and only the "elites" would be paying the freight. Not a good idea given there aren't enough of them for everyone to have one of their own "tooth fairies".

Wow. That argument could have been written word per word in the United States about the health care bill.

And that would be a misrepresentation of the idea that health care insurance is the point.

Either we pay into a government run insurance plan (a la Canada) or Americans pay into a mandated private run health insurance plan (a la Obama) but at least no one is ever refused care based on their ability to pay.

Something that I've read of a Harvard study that might make you like a government run one better. They concluded that the present private run approach (prior to the idea of everyone being insured a la Obama) was the issue. HMO's spend an inordinate amount of money chasing payment on the bills they send out / deciding whether you are qualified for the surgery / etc.

Government run health care has no bills to send out. It already has made the decision that you get the surgery when a qualified Dr. says so. Etc.

Hence, no money wasted on accounting, bill collectors, insurance adjustors (or whatever the call the ones that say "yes" and "no"). Apparently something like 30% of the HMO's overhead consumed every health care dollar it received. A lot of money that could go to attending to better health standards instead.

I gladly support a government run health care system. Just as I support a government run military, a government run air traffic control system, a government run food inspection system - you get the point. There are things that can be turned over the private sector and regulated (well our cell phone bills are a complete joke here so that doesn't always work) and there are things I will trust a government in all it's stupidity over a profit driven and "it's not personal, it's just business" corporation.

Sigh. Rant off. Sorry for hijacking the thread.

Regards,

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