I'm sorry you missed my point.....

And I'm sorry you missed mine.

I made no criticism of either the servers or the staff. Both perform admirably under the circumstances.

I merely observed - and it was just that, a factual observation - that there had been a problem during last week's "great awakening". And given two parallel universes, one where a problem happens, the other where it doesn't, I think we would all prefer to find ourselves in the glitch-free channel. No more than that.

I objected to the characterization "Situation Normal -- All Fouled Up."

As you observe, it's better when things go right. Normally, things do go well.

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Guys, let it go.

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Currently - it is effectively like S@H is still down, since the uploads server is down.
However the download servers are up, but I am not sure you can fetch work either since I've set NNT.

So... It'll just take patience.

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- Luke.

Currently - it is effectively like S@H is still down, since the uploads server is down.
However the download servers are up, but I am not sure you can fetch work either since I've set NNT.

So... It'll just take patience.

At least they got the boards working, which they may regret...LOL

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Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons...
And no good credit hound!

Currently - it is effectively like S@H is still down, since the uploads server is down.
However the download servers are up, but I am not sure you can fetch work either since I've set NNT.

So... It'll just take patience.

But at least the message board are up so are can complain about it! lol

Hopefully all work they guys at berk put into it gets to go on for some time. So we can continue to complain about how "unreliable" it is.

Overall the server up time is pretty good I think. The servers would have to be down for about 36 days a year to be at just 90% up time, which is an average of 2.4 hours a day. It could be less then that, but I'd expect it's a bit higher.

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Currently - it is effectively like S@H is still down, since the uploads server is down.
However the download servers are up, but I am not sure you can fetch work either since I've set NNT.

So... It'll just take patience.

But at least the message board are up so are can complain about it! lol

Hopefully all work they guys at berk put into it gets to go on for some time. So we can continue to complain about how "unreliable" it is.

Overall the server up time is pretty good I think. The servers would have to be down for about 36 days a year to be at just 90% up time, which is an average of 2.4 hours a day. It could be less then that, but I'd expect it's a bit higher.

They'll regret it. LOL.
I would say S@H isn't down for more than 18 days a year. That's 95% uptime.
Considering how dismal the uptime is that plagues distributed computing projects, S@H does really well, in the face of adversity.

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- Luke.

Currently - it is effectively like S@H is still down, since the uploads server is down.
However the download servers are up, but I am not sure you can fetch work either since I've set NNT.

So... It'll just take patience.

But at least the message board are up so are can complain about it! lol

Hopefully all work they guys at berk put into it gets to go on for some time. So we can continue to complain about how "unreliable" it is.

Overall the server up time is pretty good I think. The servers would have to be down for about 36 days a year to be at just 90% up time, which is an average of 2.4 hours a day. It could be less then that, but I'd expect it's a bit higher.

They'll regret it. LOL.
I would say S@H isn't down for more than 18 days a year. That's 95% uptime.
Considering how dismal the uptime is that plagues distributed computing projects, S@H does really well, in the face of adversity.

Yep, No complaints here, I just left the network disabled, so no Seti problems here. :|

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Guess its time to open another bottle of "old speckled hen"

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Guess its time to open another bottle of "old speckled hen"

Never seen that one will have to look for it...

The story of "Old Speckled Hen"

"Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which was used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get spattered in paint and so it became known as the ‘Owld Speckl’d Un’. This turned into "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.

Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste and fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on the hunt for his Hen.

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Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons...
And no good credit hound!

According to Matt in Technical News they intend on keeping the servers off until the routine Tuesday shutdown. Lets hope that all goes well

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

According to Matt in Technical News they intend on keeping the servers off until the routine Tuesday shutdown. Lets hope that all goes well

Matt said "I took the opportunity to do tomorrow's usual outage today."

... if I read that correctly, we're in the Tuesday outage today (Monday).

Fingers crossed.

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Hi Hiamps

I was only at the brewery the other day where Old Speckled Hen is produced They had a problem with and air compressor,
got a few bottles of special brews for Xmas.Included was the afor mentioned.

Dave

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I was in NY (first visit) back in October at the end of a trip through New England and southern Canada - sampling the available (local) brews on the way round, of course. Nothing has ever seemed so anomolous as drinking Old Speckled Hen in Macy's Cellar.
I applaud your taste, Phud.

F.

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i have taste?
i must alert the Missus



(thanks)

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I was in NY (first visit) back in October at the end of a trip through New England and southern Canada - sampling the available (local) brews on the way round, of course. Nothing has ever seemed so anomolous as drinking Old Speckled Hen in Macy's Cellar.
I applaud your taste, Phud.

F.

Hope you had a chance to try 10W30, Canada's finest dark ale, brewed just north of London (our London, that is).

Received a bottle of Duchy ale for Christmas, allegedly made on Prince Charle's estate. Well done Chuck!

Oh, and about the outage/outrage heated discussion: I'm still crunching SETI, looks like I'm good to this evening. A total non-event, in my opinion.

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I think sometimes people forget what distributed computing is all about.

Let's say you need to build a computer system for Wall Street. You're going to make a lot of money, so you have a reasonable budget to work with.

1) You get some good people to work on the project.
2) You go buy some shiny new servers.
3) You go buy some fancy new software (databases and such).
4) You go buy some expensive service contracts for hardware maintenance with guaranteed response times when there's a problem.
5) You go buy some expensive support contracts so that, 24/7, if your database hickups, you can get Oracle on the line and have their best and brightest diagnosing your problem within minutes.

Sounds a lot like SETI? Er, no. Well, #1 does, but the rest?

For the most part, it's donated hardware, open source software, and a small group of really smart ad dedicated people doing the best they can to keep a truly amazing project running really, really, well.

Don't forget that the whole reason for distributed computing is to get super-computer-like resources on a shoe-string budget. By definition, it's almost guaranteed that you're not going to have the hardware and software vendors at your beck and call to resolve problems, since that service is costly.

So when there's a problem, it's going to take longer to diagnose and correct.

Up-time isn't critical for these projects. And anyone that has ever tried to build a high-availability system can tell you how ridiculously expensive and difficult it is to do it right when you need those five nines.

Most of the other projects out there are no more reliable than SETI, and they're all a heck of a lot smaller and easier to manage.

Plus, don't forget that without SETI there probably wouldn't be a BOINC, and most of the other projects probably wouldn't exist at all.

In my eyes, these guys are heroes.

If I had one complaint about how some of these projects are run, it's that some project administrators don't communicate very well or very often with us volunteers. That's certainly not a problem with the SETI folk.

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Want to find one of the largest known primes? Try PrimeGrid. Or help cure disease at WCG.

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Hope you had a chance to try 10W30, Canada's finest dark ale, brewed just north of London (our London, that is).
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Both in Toronto and Montreal. As effective at keeping out the cold as the engine oil of the same spec - though much easier on the palate ;-)

F.

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This (outage, not the ale..!) may explain why I have numerous work units waiting to report, still on Tuesday 5 Jan...?

Also may explain why sometime prior to this outage I suddenly received around 100 work units...I've never seen that many in my Boinc client before. Let's hope they all get done by the due date.

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Peter.
Toronto, Canada

This (outage, not the ale..!) may explain why I have numerous work units waiting to report, still on Tuesday 5 Jan...?

Also may explain why sometime prior to this outage I suddenly received around 100 work units...I've never seen that many in my Boinc client before. Let's hope they all get done by the due date.

He-he... A little (appropriate) lubrication can help in many situations.

With an i7 and a GTX295 I have no worries about your missing any deadlines - the worst scenario is that Boinc will take executive action and run some "high-priority" if it thinks there is any danger of missing a deadline.

F.

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Thanks Fred.

Yes my machine can crunch pretty fast except I wont let it use my GPU as I was concerned it was getting too hot and slowed things down a tad, although I probably need to read up a bit on what the GTX295 is capable of.

I also only have it turned on during waking hours to save power (bills).

Thanks.

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Peter.
Toronto, Canada