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Message 960332 - Posted: 2 Jan 2010, 21:40:20 UTC - in response to Message 957911.

It will take a serious, active and ongoing effort of all countries to reduce consumption and to create alternatives to fossil fuels. If we don't, we risk seriously damaging the Earth's ecosystem, of which humans are a part.


We have had nuclear power for over half a century. France and Japan get some 80% of their electricity from nuclear power. To the best of my knowledge neither the French nor the Japanese glow in the dark. Unfortunately most of the developed world subscribes to the Jane Fonda school of nuclear physics.

Ecosystems are always changing on their own. The idea of a balance in nature is poetic not scientific.


So where do you plan on storing all the high-level radioactive waste? You don't have the Yucca Mountain Repository at all now. Since it was taken off consideration, so I don't see America having a storage site ready until the 2030's.

I'm glad I live in a nuclear free country. Yes - I know, nuclear power is safer than it used to be, but there is always the concern of waste, so until we can as a civilization build self-sustaining generation IV breeder reactors or be able to feasibly use nuclear fusion power, I'm not embracing nuclear.

Sellafield : The most dangerous place in Europe.

And don't give me this "We would polluting x times as much if we didn't use nuclear" argument BS. Ever heard of Wind? Solar? Geothermal? Biomass? Tidal? Wave?

Germany is doing away with nuclear and is now embracing wind and solar energy, they have even overtaken Japan in the manufacturing of photovoltaic cells.

And yet, America seems to want to build more. Personally, I embrace Space Based Solar Power (SBSP), but is a long way away until that is anywhere near feasible. In the future, if we aren't wiped out as a species already, and we solve global warming, we may get to the point we building dyson rings, dyson swarms, dysons bubbles, dyson shells and dyson spheres.

Don't store the waste, reprocess it into new fuel rods. Less than 3% of the fuel in a rod is used before it is retired. If it were reprocessed, there would be much less high level radioactive waste to deal with. (BTW, it is also high level radioactive BEFORE it is mined.
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Message 960778 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010, 3:39:44 UTC - in response to Message 957616.

Here's something to watch if you have the time. History channel's "Life After People" documentary.

Here are the parts in high quality:
Life After People | 1/9
Life After People | 2/9
Life After People | 3/9
Life After People | 4/9
Life After People | 5/9
Life After People | 6/9
Life After People | 7/9
Life After People | 8/9
Life After People | 9/9

Quite incredible. Somehow, it feels more "right" if humans didn't exist...


I love the lie that Humans are not part of the natural world. There is nothing "unatural" about us at all we are doing what any other organism does every day on this planet. In some cases a given organism reproduces to the point where the habitat can't support the it and a mass die off usually follows like deer or elk herds in colorado; yes even with all the hunters here their are still problems with habitat over population.

With humans over population won't be taken care of by voluntary population control like chinas disasterous experiment but by disease and conflict and like any other oraganism subject to the laws of nature the resourceful ones among us will have a better chance of survival while those that don't know how to feed themselve without a microwave in arms reach won't. Global warming? HA! worry about global war.
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Message 960891 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010, 13:54:25 UTC - in response to Message 960778.

the reason you have elk and deer over population is because of humans. Deer and elk are prey animals. Had humans not elimnated the Wolf and bear population to such an extent the deer and elk population would have been held down, for lack of a better word, naturally.

Evidence of this is in Yellowstone National park. When the wolves were reintroduced the coyote population dropped and deer and elk populations came down. It seems that nature has its own way of balancing things out. We just think we know better
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Message 960937 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010, 17:50:22 UTC - in response to Message 957435.

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If you haven't seen "Soylent Green" yet, then you need to do more research. I can't believe a climate activist who has never seen that movie.
You just aren't committed enough.

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Message 961003 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010, 21:37:46 UTC - in response to Message 960937.

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If you haven't seen "Soylent Green" yet, then you need to do more research. I can't believe a climate activist who has never seen that movie.
You just aren't committed enough.


Why do you assume I haven't? I have had time to watch it since...
In all due respect, there's a saying: "Going to church doesn't make you anymore of a Christian, than standing in a garage makes you a car."

I love the lie that Humans are not part of the natural world. There is nothing "unatural" about us at all we are doing what any other organism does every day on this planet. In some cases a given organism reproduces to the point where the habitat can't support the it and a mass die off usually follows like deer or elk herds in colorado; yes even with all the hunters here their are still problems with habitat over population.

With humans over population won't be taken care of by voluntary population control like chinas disasterous experiment but by disease and conflict and like any other oraganism subject to the laws of nature the resourceful ones among us will have a better chance of survival while those that don't know how to feed themselve without a microwave in arms reach won't. Global warming? HA! worry about global war.


So you just propose we continue onwards with our mass, worldwide wipe out of entire species, and putting our one and only planet on a collision course with greenhouse gases?

There is nothing natural about a man-made extinction event. By extension and indirectly is it natural.
We have the terms primarily, and secondarily for a reason.
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Message 961077 - Posted: 6 Jan 2010, 2:33:54 UTC

Homo Sapiens is learning. The only way they can. Slowly and deadly. It's is easy to sit back with a full belly, in relative comfort and think how if I were in charge or if I am GOD, it would be cake. Tell me of a person who can get through a day without a fellow H. Sapien not getting on the nerves. Multiply by population, and it is all easily understood. History reveals all. Now and the future is no exception.

The Pain is worth it-for the species(H.Sapien). We will learn how to build self-contained environments for our survival anywhere in The Universe.

In the meantime...the Death and Pain continues. However, we realize the danger and are making moves to mitigate.

It used to be only a few enlightened souls knew the risks, now a Great Minority of Earth People are part of The Movement towards a less than bad outcome.

Ranting, raving and extreme behaviour to fix the problems will turn bad into disaster.

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Message 965392 - Posted: 23 Jan 2010, 5:16:33 UTC - in response to Message 961003.

quote]Luke,

So you just propose we continue onwards with our mass, worldwide wipe out of entire species, and putting our one and only planet on a collision course with greenhouse gases?

There is nothing natural about a man-made extinction event. By extension and indirectly is it natural.
We have the terms primarily, and secondarily for a reason. [/quote]

I propose that their is nothing that we can do to change the eventual outcome i described above war will consume us long before any climate crisis occurs. Its not in us as a species; we always revert to basic self interest needs. Its hard to reason out the greater good when you and your family is starving.
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Message 965408 - Posted: 23 Jan 2010, 6:01:29 UTC - in response to Message 961003.

There is nothing natural about a man-made extinction event. By extension and indirectly is it natural.

Last time I checked Man was natural, so anything he does is by extension natural. Darwin's law operates on humans as well.

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Message 965610 - Posted: 24 Jan 2010, 3:52:39 UTC - in response to Message 965408.
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likr making plastic and creating a computer, walking around with a gadget in our ears all day, or making a machine that uses ancient dead creatures(cars) a lot of what we do is unnatural.
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Message 965641 - Posted: 24 Jan 2010, 8:28:00 UTC - in response to Message 965610.

There you go putting man on a pedestal and declaring him different. Darwin's law operates on man as well.

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Message 965802 - Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 1:08:18 UTC

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7000063.ece
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Message 967717 - Posted: 2 Feb 2010, 16:25:00 UTC

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/02/climategate-scientist-hid-information/
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Message 967975 - Posted: 3 Feb 2010, 23:30:32 UTC

Unlikely to get 193 world leaders to EVER agree for the same thing if having to "pay", even if faced w/ certain extinction of human race in a VERY short period i.e. astroid strike, containment of the "perfect" virus, whatever.

IMO, we're far too petty a species and always revert to self-interest, even if it means our own collective demise.

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Message 968701 - Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 16:23:17 UTC

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/03/credibility-is-what-is-really-melting/

Is there anything these "scientists" have told the truth about?
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Message 969017 - Posted: 7 Feb 2010, 17:38:59 UTC

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7177230/New-errors-in-IPCC-climate-change-report.html

Guess that answers my question, there is absolutely nothing these people haven't lied about. What a scam, it would be funny if not for the billions of taxpayer dollars that have been given to these quacks.
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Message 969031 - Posted: 7 Feb 2010, 18:23:15 UTC - in response to Message 969017.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7177230/New-errors-in-IPCC-climate-change-report.html

Guess that answers my question, there is absolutely nothing these people haven't lied about. What a scam, it would be funny if not for the billions of taxpayer dollars that have been given to these quacks.

Have you even bothered to read past the headline?

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Researchers insist the errors are minor and do not impact on the overall conclusions about climate change.

However, senior scientists are now expressing concern at the way the IPCC compiles its reports and have hit out at the panel’s use of so-called “grey literature” — evidence from sources that have not been subjected to scientific ­scrutiny.

A new poll has revealed that public belief in climate change is weakening.The panel’s controversial chair, Rajendra Pachauri, pictured right, is facing pressure to resign over the affair.

The IPCC attempted to counter growing criticism by releasing a statement insisting that authors who contribute to its 3,000-page report are required to “critically assess and review the quality and validity of each source” when they use material from unpublished or non-peer-reviewed sources. ...


So, out of thousands of pages of detailed report and many thousands of reference sources, the most ardent of sceptics and denialists have found just two utterly trivial mistakes.

Utterly pathetic.

In contrast, where is the killer evidence that the many Giga-tons of CO2 that is being dumped into our atmosphere on an ever increasing industrial scale is not having any effect on the world?

So far, there is NONE. That's right: there is NOTHING that says we can pollute all we want without a care in the world. If there was, I'm very sure we would all know about it. No childish conspiracy theories needed.


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Message 969117 - Posted: 8 Feb 2010, 1:22:07 UTC - in response to Message 969031.

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Researchers insist the errors are minor and do not impact on the overall conclusions about climate change.


Umm.... the same "researchers" that have already lied to the world repeatedly? Sorry not placing a whole lot of trust in them at present.These people have been proven to have lied about and manipulated data to support their paychecks. Go ahead and keep believing their BS though.
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Message 969161 - Posted: 8 Feb 2010, 5:17:02 UTC

weather <> climate.

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Message 969229 - Posted: 8 Feb 2010, 11:58:32 UTC - in response to Message 969117.

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Researchers insist the errors are minor and do not impact on the overall conclusions about climate change.


Umm.... the same "researchers" that have already lied ... BS ...

You keep on screaming "lies" and "BS". What have you for that other than just some silly childish conspiracies?

You are focussing on some very minor points that are utter trivia amongst all the real world FACTS.


Just one small detail if you're not happy with all the presumed "glaciers conspiracies":

Galapagos sea lions head for warm Peru waters

There are ever more examples like that.

Dream on?!


Meanwhile, we are ever more quickly industriously polluting our own atmosphere. The question now is for how many years we have left, rather than centuries...

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