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Message 957073 - Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 9:38:58 UTC
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I go with the 'Spread it out with a xxxx' method.

Reason is that you want the thinnest possible layer in the junction. Only enough to fill the microscopic imperfections in the heatsink and chip cover. They look smooth, but if you get them under a powerfull microscope they look like the Himalayan mountains. If you seat them together with no compund 90% of the surface doesn't actually touch, and has an air gap. Lousy for heat transfer.

Thermal compound is a much better heat conductor than air, but it's not as good as solid copper or aluminuium. So any extra in the joint above what is needed to fill in the air gaps is actually making the thermal junction less efficient.

The 'line' or 'grain of rice' may be simpler to apply, and 'good enough', especially if the compund has good flow and spreads out well. But getting that nice thin layer spread out first should give better results.

Of course most of my machines are old salvaged junkers and not overclocked beasts, but stripping them down and replacing the factory 'chewing gum' with a nice thin layer of generic silver paste seems to help them a lot.

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Message 957075 - Posted: 18 Dec 2009, 10:02:45 UTC - in response to Message 957073.  

I go with the 'Spread it out with a xxxx' method.

Reason is that you want the thinnest possible layer in the junction. Only enough to fill the microscopic imperfections in the heatsink and chip cover. They look smooth, but if you get them under a powerfull microscope they look like the Himalayan mountains. If you seat them together with no compund 90% of the surface doesn't actually touch, and has an air gap. Lousy for heat transfer.

Thermal compound is a much better heat conductor than air, but it's not as good as solid copper or aluminuium. So any extra in the joint above what is needed to fill in the air gaps is actually making the thermal junction less efficient.

The 'line' or 'grain of rice' may be simpler to apply, and 'good enough', especially if the compund has good flow and spreads out well. But getting that nice thin layer spread out first should give better results.

Of course most of my machines are old salvaged junkers and not overclocked beasts, but stripping them down and replacing the factory 'chewing gum' with a nice thin layer of generic silver paste seems to help them a lot.

Ian

The flow characteristics of MX-2 respond well to the simple technique......but would probably would equally well or better with the straightedge spread technique.

I tried licking it smooth with my tongue once......but that only left a bad taste in my mouth.......so much for that technique.

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Message 957420 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 17:44:17 UTC

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Hei Luke - and Ianab too ;-)
I`m just sneaking in here to read
about this - waiting for the big
event to come.. Maybe it will be
up and running for Christmas..? :-)

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Message 957432 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009, 19:51:08 UTC
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Hi Moon...!
Probably not by Christmas, I am still waiting on a few components, see here:

So perhaps sometime round the 27-29th I will have time to get it built! However, it will still be hard to get to my 31st deadline. Oops... just remembered I need to buy a cat5 cable.

Anyway, it was Saturday yesterday, so I finally had time to set up the desk. It took about 2 hours. And here it is in the crunching den (spare unused room)...
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Usually, the curtains are closed...
And, the actual desk was too big for what could fit, so I had too saw off 5mm to the bottom legs, and 6mm of the side to fit under the other desk.

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Message 957610 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 20:54:39 UTC

Well, this question has been nagging me the past few days... will the graphics card fit in the case. So as of about 5 minutes ago I decided to answer it.

And the answer is...

YES! But barely... there is probably about 3-4mm of gap between the PCI slots and the HDD bay.

Very close call.
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Message 957612 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 20:59:57 UTC - in response to Message 957610.  

Well, this question has been nagging me the past few days... will the graphics card fit in the case. So as of about 5 minutes ago I decided to answer it.

And the answer is....

Very close call.


My goodness what a small case. How are you going to get air flow? I had to remodel two of my counters to put larger cases in as I couldn't keep the small boxes cool and they just had celerons in them.
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Message 957613 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:00:15 UTC - in response to Message 957610.  

Lucky! I bought a GTS 250 and it didn't fit :-(

HDD is in the way - can't move it...
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Message 957615 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:03:11 UTC - in response to Message 957613.  

Lucky! I bought a GTS 250 and it didn't fit :-(

HDD is in the way - can't move it...

I had to get a bay insert for one of my machines that had 4 HD's in it. Then it fit under the CD and had an extra fan.
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Message 957620 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:16:59 UTC
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I wouldn't call it small... it's the NZXT Lexa Blackline Mid-Tower ATX case.
You can't compare it to the Antec 1200, but it certainly isn't a microATX case. It only looks smaller because the HDD bay is rotated 90 degrees, so the HDD's face the side (downside is I may have to buy 90 degree SATA connectors) which means the bay wall blocks the larger graphics cards

@Niko: You might be able to rotate the HDD bay with a few tools and some time. There are guides out there to rotate the bay of my case...

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Message 957622 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:18:45 UTC

No problem getting GTX295's in this case.


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Message 957623 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:19:12 UTC - in response to Message 957620.  

I wouldn't call it small... it's the NZXT Lexa Blackline Mid-Tower ATX case.
You can't compare it to the Antec 1200, but it certainly isn't a microATX case. It only looks smaller because the HDD bay is rotated 90 degrees, so the HDD's face the side (downside is I may have to buy 90 degree SATA connectors).

@Niko: You might be able to rotate the HDD bay with a few tools and some time. There are guides out there to rotate the bay of my case...

- Luke.

Oh OK just looks it in the picture. I have a huge case leftover from my Water/Peltier days so most look small. LOL
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Message 957626 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:21:23 UTC - in response to Message 957622.  

No problem getting GTX295's in this case.


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Woah! Nice setup you've got there Dave... whats the case you have there? It's not instantly recognizable...
I've got red LED fans pre-installed in the NZXT and I bought 1 red cold cathode and a blue cold cathode. I don't want to mix the colors too much.

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Message 957631 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:26:46 UTC
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It's an nVidia Special Edition


This is it beside an ordinary sized case.
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Message 957632 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:28:32 UTC

Heres mine from another thread before I added second Video card.


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Message 957634 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:30:42 UTC - in response to Message 957631.  

It's an nVidia Special Edition


This is it beside an ordinary sized case.


Where can I buy? Or... do they not sell it anymore?
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Message 957635 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:32:35 UTC

A big case, Hmm, Good: The HAF 932 does pretty good as It will take a 13" long card, Bad: Dust Magnet as there are no filters, Filters have to be added, I'm adding DEMCifilters as they stick on the outside magnetically and custom sizes can be made, there are some that are already made the 932 of course and their Here.


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Message 957636 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:35:00 UTC - in response to Message 957634.  

Dont't honestly know if it is still available.
I will put more pics of the build if I can work out how to upload them.

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Message 957639 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:37:25 UTC - in response to Message 957620.  



@Niko: You might be able to rotate the HDD bay with a few tools and some time. There are guides out there to rotate the bay of my case...

- Luke.


Thanks Luke - both HDDs in my case were parallel to the mother board so it takes only a low profile GPU. The CD bays are full.

I picked up a NZXT Guardian 921 Mid-Tower ATX Case w/ Xion 630w PSU bundle.

Going to transfer the components from my Dell over the holidays.
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Message 957640 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 957635.  

A big case, Hmm, Good: The HAF 932 does pretty good as It will take a 13" long card, Bad: Dust Magnet as there are no filters, Filters have to be added, I'm adding DEMCifilters as they stick on the outside magnetically and custom sizes can be made, there are some that are already made the 932 of course and their Here.


Heck with the filters I got a compressor, no cat hair can stand up to that. I also use "Ideal" Electronic Switch and Contact cleaner every few months and even with no smoking in the house it doesn't drip pretty. Dries pretty much instantly.
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Message 957643 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009, 21:41:33 UTC
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I think that this link should go to my i7 Build album.

http://s614.photobucket.com/albums/tt229/FiveHamlet/i7%20Build/

EDIT Added a couple more pics.

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