You've convinced me of the error of my ways.
Let's throw another baby on the BBQ and make a real party of this.

Who needs rules of engagement when the bloodlust of the public has been stirred up to a level that seems to tolerate any actions perpetrated by our own troops against fellow humans.

Anyone taking the position that there are rules and limits, even in war, must be a piss-ant weakling whiner who is trying to undermine the heroic soldiers who risk everything by shooting at metal shipping containers filled with prisoners.

I can't wait for this attitude to filter down to civilian life and local police actions. It's so much easier to simply execute prisoners on the spot than to actually prove a case before a court.

What do all the squawkers want?
Sounds like they are looking to create another My Lai!

My Lai wasn't created by squawkers.

Robert ,Robert ,Robert you must be a very interesting Guy in life and real its nice to have Guys like you for you have a good heart and i can see you are a kind person.Its a pitty that we got to argue over things like this but its our world and thats how it is, anyway i am not adding any more on this, let me see what others think .Thanks

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy

Thank you Kasule
I really don't think of you as the kind of person who truly believes that mass executions are acceptable, but you seem to have accepted that you can do nothing to change the world.
You may be correct, but I cling to the belief that the world can be made better.
A small number of powerful elites have directed events to suit their wants. Just think what could be done if the masses started using the power of shear numbers to redirect events.

I'll keep plodding along.

Is there anything new on the convoy? Have any news outlets picked up the story?

From what I have read the Afghan army is mostly at fault (allegedly). Is this true ?

Thank you Kasule for the pictures!

Western morals are fine and are much respected around the world, Its actually what everyone would want the world to be.The problem the war you fighting is a different war non conventional war were the enemy is not clearly or easily seen ,they have no uniforms,the blend into what you call civilians but when you turn your back the kill you. Western morals dont apply to such a war ,unless of course
you want more body bags coming home.Thats why us pulled out of a tiny country like somali after the black hawk went down,Ithink you saw like every one else what morals the somalis had.The problem is if you dont adapt you die its that simple,these people hide weapons in the ground some are innocent others are not,the are related you are a foreigner what do you expect definately most are cooperating.

It would seem that you haven't watched the film.
8,000 combatants surrendered and suddenly 3,000 of them are dead in the desert.
This was not during the heat of battle. This was a mass execution.

The film alleges they were loaded into shipping containers.
When they started crying out for air, holes were shot in the sides of the containers causing the deaths and injuries of those against the containers walls.

The film then claims that the wounded, sick and unconcious were placed in the containers with the dead and were taken into the desert and executed.

I don't give a damn about the actions of other armies, we can't control what they do, but the armies of western democracies are under our control and will conduct themselves in a manner in keeping with our values.

This means that mass murder, genocide, summary executions, rape, looting and other forms of warcrimes are not tolerated.

Everyone who claims the high moral ground is the position we in the west now occupy should be contacting their elected representatives and demanding an international inquiry into the allegations made by the filmaker.

I have already done so.

Let's get to the truth of the matter.
Was this alleged crime the actions of a small number of Afghan soldiers or were there American troops present?

We need to know either way.

I agree with you totally. We must learn the truth and the chips will have to fall wherever they fall. Regardless of what kind of war this may be, the most important question is what kind of people are we.
I have already e-mailed the White House concerning this issue and am about to e-mail my Congressional delegation. I urge everyone else to do the same.

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To the victor goes not only the spoils of war but, more importantly, the bias of history.

Is there anything new on the convoy? Have any news outlets picked up the story?

From what I have read the Afghan army is mostly at fault (allegedly). Is this true ?

Thank you Kasule for the pictures!

National Public Radio featured this story today - this morning in fact. You can check out their website to hear a replay.

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To the victor goes not only the spoils of war but, more importantly, the bias of history.

Is there anything new on the convoy? Have any news outlets picked up the story?

From what I have read the Afghan army is mostly at fault (allegedly). Is this true ?

Thank you Kasule for the pictures!

National Public Radio featured this story today - this morning in fact. You can check out their website to hear a replay.

If my computer had speakers ...
I did find this.
Did he say who shot and burried the prisoners?

MORE IMAGES FOR THE STRONG HEARTED

THE FACE OF WAR 1

THE FACE OF WAR 2

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy

Is there anything new on the convoy? Have any news outlets picked up the story?

From what I have read the Afghan army is mostly at fault (allegedly). Is this true ?

Thank you Kasule for the pictures!

I haven't seen anything on a major betwork regarding this allegation and I don't expect to unless it becomes too large to ignore. This is where it is so very important to write letters or make phone calls to elected officials.
A letter to the editor asking why there has been no coverage would also help draw attention to the story.

As to the issue of fault or accountability, I suppose one would have to consider a few things.
First, were American troops present?
Second, would American troops be taking orders from Afghan officers?

Only an independant international inquiry can come close to answering questions that arise from the documentary film.

Seems that the link I posted is no longer active.
Here's another link to the same documentary.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6050857680395448306&hl=en

It appears this story has started to circulate to the extent that the elites can no longer ignore it or stop the flow of information regarding the events.

If citizens keep spreading this information, rather than waiting for corporate network news to do so, there will be a tidal wave of anger that can't be stopped.

live combat from afgan wars coverage not covered by us media

Were the metal grinds the flesh, were they blood mixes with the dust and the vultures circle above to put an end to the whole story.

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy

I don't see where footage of live combat is relevent to a discussion of this issue of putting surrendered prisoners in containers, shooting through the sides of the containers then taking 3,000 of those surrendered prisoners into the desert and executing them.

I know dead is dead.
I know soldiers die in combat.

The issue is whether prisoners of war, men who have laid down their arms and surrendered, are to be treated as if they were prisoners at a Nazi death camp.

Mods, I'm still waiting for that post which was inserted at the top of this thread to be moved down to the bottom.
I have no problem with Vextor.TV having input but my original post should be at the top to avoid confusion as to what this thread is all about.

herein lies the problem. During the korean war and before prisoners were prepatriated and returned to normal lives. Basically, A taliban fighter will never return back to his home and restart a normal life. His normal life was under sharia(sp) law. Anything less and it wasn't good enough. So though tragic the 3000 dead talibani are 3000 less that the current NATO forces would have to engage when these wholesome individuals were returned to their homes. No its not right but in truth what could be done with them. Prison? not likely.

BTW I'm wondering if their is eyewitness accounts of the shootings coming out. Since someone seems to thing that the prisoners were begging for air, water, and food. that the troops watching over them shot holes into the containers because of this. I'd like to assume for a minute that they were intentionally just taken to a spot and they just opened fire. This seems to be just as accurate as the other description only without the malice

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Mods, I'm still waiting for that post which was inserted at the top of this thread to be moved down to the bottom.
I have no problem with Vextor.TV having input but my original post should be at the top to avoid confusion as to what this thread is all about.

We cannot change the order of posts in a thread. If a thread is merged (as it appears to be in this case), the database automatically displays them in chronological order by the date/time stamp as recorded by the database.

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We cannot change the order of posts in a thread. If a thread is merged (as it appears to be in this case), the database automatically displays them in chronological order by the date/time stamp as recorded by the database.

Understood.
Thanks OzzFan

herein lies the problem. During the korean war and before prisoners were prepatriated and returned to normal lives. Basically, A taliban fighter will never return back to his home and restart a normal life. His normal life was under sharia(sp) law. Anything less and it wasn't good enough. So though tragic the 3000 dead talibani are 3000 less that the current NATO forces would have to engage when these wholesome individuals were returned to their homes. No its not right but in truth what could be done with them. Prison? not likely.

BTW I'm wondering if their is eyewitness accounts of the shootings coming out. Since someone seems to thing that the prisoners were begging for air, water, and food. that the troops watching over them shot holes into the containers because of this. I'd like to assume for a minute that they were intentionally just taken to a spot and they just opened fire. This seems to be just as accurate as the other description only without the malice

I'm going to go out on a limb here, because I have no deep knowledge of the culture, but I don't believe that once engaged in conflict they can never stop. I tend to think this "Terminator" image of the Taliban is part of the boogeyman image created to make us fear them.
I don't attribute this image to anything the Taliban has done, but to the demonization of them by those here in leadership roles who need us to fear them to perpetuate the war on terror.

As to eye witnesses, at the end of the film there is a claim that two of those speaking in the film to what they witnessed have been killed already. It would seem there are many witnesses.

Robert the videos and pictures are very relevant to your discussion because before you start petitioning your goverment you should first see what your soldiers are experencing ,then start petitioning ,because you will be divating the attention of your commanders on the ground and decreasing the moral of your soldiers. Its a pitty that africans are not part of the nato collition , we would have got those guys in no time, you people in the west spend alot of time debating
on how to deal with those sharia robots , us on the other hand we would have dealt with them in their own ways, no mercy ,strike fear and get to the base (al-queda)
That base should be deep somewhere in the mountains ,and i think the way to it is through the tunnels but you guys are afraid to enter and fight in those tunnels , we wouldnt be at all. you saw how an african country removed the islamic regmine in somalia, in a matter of weeks. The number one rule of an uncivilized war is strike maximum fear ,No mercy to a taliban .Like i told you i have seen many wars right from the time i was 5 years old and i know what i am talking about.Message to US soldiers NO MERCY ENTER THOSE TUNNELS AND GET TO THE BASE and dont pay any attention to petitioners there just wasting oxygen, probably never seen a war and would even get a heart attack at the sound of an RPG!

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy