Yeah I know. Although why Backup files to reformat a hdd for a clean install? Doesn't Win 7 allow for installing in a folder of ones own choice? Or is that gone?

You don't have to format for a "clean" install, the "clean" install is non-destructive. With Windows 7, a "clean" install simply means that it will be installed in its own directory automatically and none of your preferences or application settings will be migrated to Win7 during the upgrade procedure. You can always use Windows Easy Transfer to backup certain things in preparation of the new OS install.

Users of XP will not have a choice to do an in-place upgrade; you will only be able to do a clean install (again, without having to format first).

Even though I could afford the $49.99 intro price(or $99.98 as I have 2 PCs), I'm saving up for a much larger goal, A larger house as I'm out of room here, among other reasons that is.

There are far more important things in life than upgrading to the latest and greatest OS, no matter the manufacturer. If XP Pro x64 works for you, then there's no reason to upgrade.

I'll be getting Windows 7 as part of my TechNet subscription, so I don't have to worry about additional out-of-pocket costs. Though I did just purchase a bigger hard drive because my current 320GB is filling up quickly, and I think I might be doing a fresh format and install of Windows 7 on this new 1.5TB drive.

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Well that gives me something to look forward to on Monday or Tuesday of next week. I just haven't decided if I'm going to stick with Vista on my main machine or do the upgrade. I still have a couple minor reservations about 7, but I may just decide to go with it anyway.

On the one hand. The new neat things, fixes, & improvements.
Then on the other. It's Windows 7.

Generally with Vista & Windows 7 I just turn stuff off, and rip things out until it's basically XP.

Ha! I actually prefer Vista over XP and left everything at the defaults (minus a couple of minor preference changes).

The one thing I don't like in Windows 7 is the fatter task bar. The Vista one seems slimmer and sexier. Someone else told me how to "put it on a diet" and make it thin again, so I'll probably do that immediately if I install Win7.

The bug fixes and improvements are a definite plus, but the majority of them are to encourage XP users to switch while the current Vista users have very little reason to upgrade, other than those of us (like me!) that enjoy playing with the latest OS from MS.

My money is going elsewhere for a while(6 months to a year), Besides I run an abandonware OS known as XP x64.

I'm pretty sure you can upgrade Windows XP Professional x64 to Windows 7 Professional x64.

Windows 7 gives a message "You can't directly upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7. Go Online to learn how to use Windows Easy Transfer to install Windows 7 and keep your files and settings." Generally MS only allows upgrades from the version directly precedding the release.

According to ArsTechnica here, you can upgrade from XP - and its typically the last two versions of Windows they allow to be upgraded. This was true with Windows 98 (required 95 or 3.1x), with Windows ME (required 95 or 98), with Windows 2000 (required NT 4 or 98), and with Windows XP (required 2000 or 98).

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Why would anyone ever want to upgarde ? .......

Clean install or nothing. Save yourself the hassles that MOST upgrades can cause and do a clean/fresh installation.

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Agreed. I haven't done an upgrade since Windows 3.11 -> Windows 95 Retail.

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Why would anyone ever want to upgarde ? .......

Clean install or nothing. Save yourself the hassles that MOST upgrades can cause and do a clean/fresh installation.

with an upgrade disk you can still do a full Clean install ;)

as the upgrade disk has just the same stuff on it, it just looks for current upgradeable OS on your HDD or for the current windows upgradeable version OS disk in your CD/DVD drive

i.e. why would I part with £190 to get XP pro when it first came out when I got the same "upgrade" XP pro for £70 and can still do a Clean install simply because I have a windows 2000 pro CD disk which was only required the first time I ever put xp on my hdd, the rest of the time I do clean installs the XP upgrade install process detects the old copy on the hdd prior to the partitioning/formatting stage.

Likewise if I move to Windows 7 why would I buy the full version when I can get the upgrade version and merely upgrade my XP pro that is on my hdd

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just taken from the MS store

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-Windows-7/category/102?WT.mc_id=msccomhpfeature_win7

"Running earlier versions? If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications."

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Likewise if I move to Windows 7 why would I buy the full version when I can get the upgrade version and merely upgrade my XP pro that is on my hdd

I used to do exactly what you're talking about when reinstalling Windows 98SE Upgrade. I only owned the Windows 95 Upgrade and the Windows 3.11 Upgrade, so if I did it all in order, I would have had to install MS-DOS, Windows 3.1 (I could skip the 3.11 upgrade), then jump right to Windows 98SE - a lot of time wasted!

Because of all these upgrade versions, and the fact that I prefer to start clean, I prefer the full versions these days. Besides, its not like it costs me anything to simply get the full version instead of upgrading.

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just taken from the MS store

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-Windows-7/category/102?WT.mc_id=msccomhpfeature_win7

"Running earlier versions? If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications."

Yes, what they mean by that is that Windows 7 Upgrade requires XP to exist on your hard drive, and it must be a valid version, then Windows 7 will install itself into a separate directory with a fresh registry containing none of your application settings from your previous Windows installation.

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I was doing some tests with windows PE today. It seems that BOINC will run in it ok. I have some tweaking to do in order to get boinc starting when it boots, but that looks like it may be a really simple solution. I can simply make WinPE x86 and WinPE x64 CDs. Then I can boot up the CD whenever I want a machine to run BOINC. Using the systems secondary storage disc to keep the data files.

If you don't know what WinPE is here is a link explaining it on wiki.

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I am not sure if it holds true in Win7 upgrade, but for 2000, XP, and Vista, I could have a completyl clean drive and simply briefly insert the older CD during the install.

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When we finally figure it all out, all the rules will change and we can start all over again.

I was doing some tests with windows PE today. It seems that BOINC will run in it ok. I have some tweaking to do in order to get boinc starting when it boots, but that looks like it may be a really simple solution. I can simply make WinPE x86 and WinPE x64 CDs. Then I can boot up the CD whenever I want a machine to run BOINC. Using the systems secondary storage disc to keep the data files.

If you don't know what WinPE is here is a link explaining it on wiki.

I'm surprised someone hasn't made a BartPE BOINC or Seti plugin for use as a 'thin' cruncher of sorts.

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I am not sure if it holds true in Win7 upgrade, but for 2000, XP, and Vista, I could have a completyl clean drive and simply briefly insert the older CD during the install.

No, it doesn't hold true for 7, and it isn't supposed to be possible with Vista either. Are you sure you did it with Vista? Or did you do the "upgrade to Vista then clean install Vista" double install?

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I was doing some tests with windows PE today. It seems that BOINC will run in it ok. I have some tweaking to do in order to get boinc starting when it boots, but that looks like it may be a really simple solution. I can simply make WinPE x86 and WinPE x64 CDs. Then I can boot up the CD whenever I want a machine to run BOINC. Using the systems secondary storage disc to keep the data files.

If you don't know what WinPE is here is a link explaining it on wiki.

I'm surprised someone hasn't made a BartPE BOINC or Seti plugin for use as a 'thin' cruncher of sorts.

There is.

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'BOINCpe' ......nice ;)

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You are right, I have Vista Ultimate, original install, which i don't run. My error
Boo hiss on me:)
My pain is going to be having to back off of Win 7 Ultimat RC to install Premium. Hopefully it will upgrade from XP Pro X 64 which in on a seperate drive on this Win 7 machine.

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When we finally figure it all out, all the rules will change and we can start all over again.

I was doing some tests with windows PE today. It seems that BOINC will run in it ok. I have some tweaking to do in order to get boinc starting when it boots, but that looks like it may be a really simple solution. I can simply make WinPE x86 and WinPE x64 CDs. Then I can boot up the CD whenever I want a machine to run BOINC. Using the systems secondary storage disc to keep the data files.

If you don't know what WinPE is here is a link explaining it on wiki.

I'm surprised someone hasn't made a BartPE BOINC or Seti plugin for use as a 'thin' cruncher of sorts.

There is.

Should have known there was already one out there. lol

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I was doing some tests with windows PE today. It seems that BOINC will run in it ok. I have some tweaking to do in order to get boinc starting when it boots, but that looks like it may be a really simple solution. I can simply make WinPE x86 and WinPE x64 CDs. Then I can boot up the CD whenever I want a machine to run BOINC. Using the systems secondary storage disc to keep the data files.

If you don't know what WinPE is here is a link explaining it on wiki.

Actually, Dotsch/UX is capable of setting up a PXE Server so you can network boot your clients to run BOINC from one master server. So you build that one and keep it around, then configure your clients to PXE boot from it when you want 'em running BOINC, and boot from whatever else you want when you don't. The PXE server even can store the stateful information so you can shut a client down, use it to test something, then tell it to reboot with PXE and resume with the cache intact. It's been a while since I've noticed Dotsch posting around here though.
Dotsch/UX is built using Ubuntu linux 8.04. It's distributed with BOINC 5.4.7 IIRC, but I've grabbed the general Linux distribution for BOINC from the repository and had no problem upgrading to 6.6.20 when it was released. I currently have 6 USB Keys I built with it and they work like LiveCD's as well for installing Linux onto the local drive. I haven't set it up for PXE booting though, but that's documented well enough on his website.

Ok I bit the $49.99 bullet and pre-ordered Win 7 upgrade from Amazon with Free Shipping, It was too good a deal to pass up, I would have ordered two, But that's more than I feel comfortable spending right now. :D

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Ok I bit the $49.99 bullet and pre-ordered Win 7 upgrade from Amazon with Free Shipping, It was too good a deal to pass up, I would have ordered two, But that's more than I feel comfortable spending right now. :D

I love the free shipping. I live near one of their shipping centers. So with the 15 day free ground service I get everything in 1 day anyway.

This weekend I am doing a test with my notebook & so far going from XP SP3 to Vista SP0 seems to have improved the processing times.

I know wu are not all equal at all, but looking at the tasks for that machines. The times have dropped from 23,000-28,000 seconds for processing to 10,000-12,000 seconds for processing.

Compaq V4020US
Intel Pentium M processor 1.50GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8]

Not to shabby for a 4 or 5 year old notebook. Something I have found surprising is that even when I'm using it to watch movies or tv shows the processing times stay pretty consistent. I would have thought that 6 hour movie night with an embedded GPU would such up all the processing time.

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Compaq V4020US
Intel Pentium M processor 1.50GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8]

Vista on a single core Centrino/M ?

Gross......although you neglected to mention how much RAM and if you are running 2GB, then anything is possible I guess. ;)

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