I have a problem with anyone who claims to have more than a few computers at home. Most homes have 200 or 220 AMP services. If use that service only for SETI@home functions and have more than 10 computers running, then you have no lights, refrigeration, heating and therefore have no life sustaining comforts. Then you should be called an Seti@work user Anyone who has been acknoledged "Top Performer for the day" with 5,000,000 units of work must also fall into that catergory, you are abusing the spirit of at home. Unless you are the rightfull owner of the company whose assetts you are claiming as yours, you are a thief, just that simple.

Seti@home was started for the use of personal home computers not doing anything most of the time.

There should be a distinction within SETI@home and BOZO users running up impossible scores that are not obviously within the spirit of at home users.

There is one user claiming 137 @home computers.

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Hope you have your flame proof suit on?

5,000,000 units is cheating?? Meh, my main HOME PC gets up to 8,000 RAC, it's not even anything special. Some more $$ thrown at it and it could do 20,000 per day. My 2,000,000 is built up in under 12 months, without even haveing a State of the Art PC. An I7 with a top CUDA card could do 7,000,000 in a year (or more)

Also get your facts right on power use, 80 watts (with monitor off) for this 8,000 points. A wall single wall socket in this part of the world supplies 2400w and I have 13 machines running around the house right now. Yes the lights are still on, but I have turned down the space heating. I could be burning that 1,000w in an electric heater, or a dozen humming PCs, I choose the PCs.

Another 5 machines at my Office, yes I have permission as it's my business.

Now we dont know where the user with 137 machines is, but some of the bigger contributors are schools or universities where they have permission to install SETI on whole labs of machines. SETI does not require that the machine is @home, or you own the machine, just that you permission to run the software before you intall it.

Sorry if I come off harsh.. but being called a cheat for contributing my own time and resources to the project... is annoying...

I will say that the keyword Dr Clarke J wants us to draw our attention to is simply "home" as it shows up in the name of the project.
The project is called SETI@home, just to remember all active members.
Some of us understand the project from this point of view, others show more interest, capability, willingness, or whatever you want to name it, to crunch data.

I think there´s nothing wrong if someone manages to set a farm of PCs at home or at school, or at both places. All those solutions are welcome to the project and help to reach our goal.
I only have one PC and I think that´s a fair and valid contribution to distributed computing, because that´s what it is.

If you ask me whether I would use my personal account on other computer systems not directly related to me/home, I will say YES, I would use it, if the use of my account is not misused!
I guess, that´s a basic point. Do you have the control over your account when this account is used outside your home? This is interesting.

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I second Dirk and Ianab.
We are here, because we have permission and the companionship we value.

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I have 8 rigs on my account.....
My RAC is around 92k....
I have over 31 million credits...

And yes, they are all @ Home.

It is obvious when a user has more than maybe 15-20 computers on their account that they may not all be under the same roof, but that is a given to all who are familiar with this project.

And Seti has always stressed that people are not to run the project on computers not in their possession or ownership without the express permission of the rightful owners.

Those who are lucky enough to amass such a large contingent of computers contributing to their account and the project are lucky enough to be in a position of influence or control to allow them to do so.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I have 3 computers at home One is celeron laptop i wont crunch on that it gets to hot even with coolpad. How ever i will add a Quad i7 with a cuda card soon i hope. That will be aslo Opti apped .
Hope fully i will break the one million mark in less then the 10 years it took to get my first half a million.
Me personally i have no problem with people building farms, or spending big bucks for their riggs. Hey its a hobby, and its there money. And if they own the business they can run whatever they want on their computers. And if their boss says ok you can run seti on my computers I have no problem with that either.
As far as the Seti@home Moniker,Well there are those of us who spend more time at work then home, so maybe we should call it Seti@ work.
and one more point. I can go and buy and arc welder for 120V or 240V and arc weld with out blowing any breakers or have to shut down appliances. So whats the deal about running farms or multiple computers?

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Old James

Careful gang, I smell a troll.

Speaking as a long time and card carrying Bozo, I wonder about Dr. Lipscomb's computers if they are using 20+ amps to run SETI (from his own numbers). Maybe they are all super-minis or other antiques? A VAX, or vacuum tubes, perhaps?

I work from home, and one of my two PCs running various BOINC is owned by my company. It's at home right now, but will be crunching from airports and a hotel room for a few days starting this evening. Does all this make me less of a "user"?

The whole idea is using spare CPU capacity, @home is just a cute name. We can't get too hung up on it.

And if your hobby is using your surplus money to create more spare CPU cycles, good for you. It keeps you out of the bars and pool halls, and may just contribute some valuable science some day. Surely a PhD can realize that.

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Stated in the first of two posts; "the name must be changed for you idiots."

?? huh.. I must surely be an idiot - and not a PhD.
Thanks God. ;-))

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BOINC Wiki . . .

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I can go and buy and arc welder for 120V or 240V and arc weld with out blowing any breakers or have to shut down appliances. So whats the deal about running farms or multiple computers?

It's rubbish.

I only have a 60Amp / 240V supply here in the UK and had no problem running 6 Quad Cores and everything else in the house - including electric heating!

I've only ever taken out the 60Amp breaker once and as far as I know it was an unlucky combination of washing machine, drier, heating and hot tub all heating and calling for serious power at the same time.

SETI aren't going to turn away anyones computing power because it's not "@ home" that would just be bonkers. The more the merrier.

More crunchers = better odds of finding ET and that's what the project is about, not who has the most computers or who has spent the most setting up etc.

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Thanks Dr ceti for the link, i read his first post.
No one ever said the person with one computer is not welcome. Heck for 9 years thats all i had. manged to crunch out a fair amount of classic and over 200.00 WU's.
Me its fun to crunch, Im still hoping Im the one to find the WOW signal.
And i could care less how many other of the fine folks on here have more credit than i do. Its not about the credit. ITS about We the Seti@Home community.

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Dr. Lipscomb this is a voluntary project and if businesses allow their Computers to be used thats all the better. Your issue seems to be about credit and ranking. Do you feel cheated because others are more innovative or are able to produce more? Remember its about the science not the ranks. Rank is just a bragging point and had nothing to do with the science involved. I agree not everyone have a farm to run. This is supposed to be entertaining and perhaps s bit fun. I'm not out to beat anyones score. Thats silly. Besides someone will always come along with something better. So a top score/rank is fleeting at best. Just do what you can and stop worrying about what others are doing. As long as they produce results who cares
Heck i only run a few PC's and I've built all of them myself. If you've got the time I'd suggest making a few of your own to play with

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Dr Lipscomb. The person with one computer is equally as valuable as one who has a farm of any size.

I myself run on 3 systems here + a few friends' when they're on vacation.

Respect for all who choose to crunch...but for those who use corporate machines don't do it without permission.

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Relax folks. Bill Walker is correct. A quick Google check revealed a troll.

"Go back to your lives, citizens." -- Hamm

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I can see the doctors concerns about the use of the term @home BUT I do have some of my own concerns about the use of the terms BOZO and Thief referring to those he deems to be in violaation of the symantics of @HOME. I used to have control of 24/7 of up to 250 processors - with the consent of my company (back when I worked 12 - 16 hours a day). Needless to say some of them crunched for SETI (Classic) with the consent of the President of the company who I personally answered to.
I may be a BOZO (for reasons other than @home) and I'm definitely NOT a thief.
There is no doubt in my military mind that the company took tax breaks for their contribution to SETI. Home is where your heart is! And Also where you Bod is if you are on duty!

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Classic WU= 7,237 Classic Hours= 42,079

Well the Planet Earth is our Home so it is correct.

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. . . Dr Clarke J Lipscomb PhD <---- Posts

LOL...see the attitude hasn't changed...
Maybe in a couple of years he'll post to let us have it again.

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. . . Dr Clarke J Lipscomb PhD <---- Posts

LOL...see the attitude hasn't changed...
Maybe in a couple of years he'll post to let us have it again.

I would like to know what kind of doctorate he holds.

THIS GUY CAN'T EVEN SPELL OPPORTUNITY! ~ (refer to the link)

It seems to me that he, a fellow of his credentials, would be a better speller, n'est pas?

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I'm not sure what the post-graduate work was in but I think the post indicates at least a BS degree!

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Classic WU= 7,237 Classic Hours= 42,079

Does anyone know the definition of "enough?"

If you want, I can post it...

Everyone has a right to an Opinion. At times they post the Opinion. It does not make things Right/Wrong or Correct. So as there is no active 2-way discussion of "Opinion" let it DIE!

Regards

Pappa

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