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Message 898217 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 14:23:05 UTC - in response to Message 898113.  

Since our little AP shortage I've got a nice mix of 6.03s and 6.08s plus a few AP coming in now. I just finished two APs and right now am running one AP, one 6.03 and one cuda very happily on my little dual with 8500GT card. By the time I finish this AP (takes me ~60 hours) I should have finished my batch of 6.03s and pick up my next AP and start a few more 6.03s. This is the way it should always work! :)


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Message 898231 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 14:49:01 UTC - in response to Message 898217.  

Since our little AP shortage I've got a nice mix of 6.03s and 6.08s plus a few AP coming in now. I just finished two APs and right now am running one AP, one 6.03 and one cuda very happily on my little dual with 8500GT card. By the time I finish this AP (takes me ~60 hours) I should have finished my batch of 6.03s and pick up my next AP and start a few more 6.03s. This is the way it should always work! :)


I had noticed that too. It was just perfect! A bunch of MB's, then one AP, then a bunch of MB's again. I now had two AP's, so I fear I will have to switch AP on and off again manually. It was just too good to be true.
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Message 898326 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 19:16:28 UTC - in response to Message 898231.  

Since our little AP shortage I've got a nice mix of 6.03s and 6.08s plus a few AP coming in now. I just finished two APs and right now am running one AP, one 6.03 and one cuda very happily on my little dual with 8500GT card. By the time I finish this AP (takes me ~60 hours) I should have finished my batch of 6.03s and pick up my next AP and start a few more 6.03s. This is the way it should always work! :)


I had noticed that too. It was just perfect! A bunch of MB's, then one AP, then a bunch of MB's again. I now had two AP's, so I fear I will have to switch AP on and off again manually. It was just too good to be true.

I concur. I've got a decent mix of MB/AP. Maybe that's all the scheduler needed was just to have AP stop being split? :p
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Message 898339 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 19:39:56 UTC

My "slug" just finished its first WU, an Astropulse unit, five days late.

... and it got another AP to replace it.

I would prefer that it get Multibeam.
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Message 898345 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 19:53:28 UTC - in response to Message 898339.  

you have to set your preferences to seti_enhanced yes all others no


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Message 898362 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 20:37:47 UTC - in response to Message 898326.  

Since our little AP shortage I've got a nice mix of 6.03s and 6.08s plus a few AP coming in now. I just finished two APs and right now am running one AP, one 6.03 and one cuda very happily on my little dual with 8500GT card. By the time I finish this AP (takes me ~60 hours) I should have finished my batch of 6.03s and pick up my next AP and start a few more 6.03s. This is the way it should always work! :)


I had noticed that too. It was just perfect! A bunch of MB's, then one AP, then a bunch of MB's again. I now had two AP's, so I fear I will have to switch AP on and off again manually. It was just too good to be true.

I concur. I've got a decent mix of MB/AP. Maybe that's all the scheduler needed was just to have AP stop being split? :p


The perfect situation is that there are just a few AP results ready to send. Now, all splitters are gone again, because there are no more tapes online, so at the moment there is nothing to be split at all.
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Message 898368 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 20:48:58 UTC - in response to Message 898345.  

you have to set your preferences to seti_enhanced yes all others no

On my other machine, I want all AstroPulse and no Multibeam.
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Message 898373 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 20:54:37 UTC - in response to Message 898368.  

you have to set your preferences to seti_enhanced yes all others no

On my other machine, I want all AstroPulse and no Multibeam.

There are 'venues' you can set preferences for, and attach computers to, you know!
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Message 898375 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 21:12:23 UTC - in response to Message 898373.  

you have to set your preferences to seti_enhanced yes all others no

On my other machine, I want all AstroPulse and no Multibeam.

There are 'venues' you can set preferences for, and attach computers to, you know!

Yep, and I think I've got that configured correctly now. Thanks!

I'd try an optimized science application, but I'm not sure what works on a Via C7.
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Message 898432 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 23:29:34 UTC - in response to Message 898362.  

Since our little AP shortage I've got a nice mix of 6.03s and 6.08s plus a few AP coming in now. I just finished two APs and right now am running one AP, one 6.03 and one cuda very happily on my little dual with 8500GT card. By the time I finish this AP (takes me ~60 hours) I should have finished my batch of 6.03s and pick up my next AP and start a few more 6.03s. This is the way it should always work! :)


I had noticed that too. It was just perfect! A bunch of MB's, then one AP, then a bunch of MB's again. I now had two AP's, so I fear I will have to switch AP on and off again manually. It was just too good to be true.

I concur. I've got a decent mix of MB/AP. Maybe that's all the scheduler needed was just to have AP stop being split? :p


The perfect situation is that there are just a few AP results ready to send. Now, all splitters are gone again, because there are no more tapes online, so at the moment there is nothing to be split at all.

I am afraid I differ....

The perfect situation is that crunchers get what they want......
I want nothing but AP.....please don't starve me of it...

Those that want a mix should be able to set a percentage that Boinc would monitor in their caches, and adjust work requests accordingly.

And of course, there should always be a sufficient buffer in the 'ready to send' caches on the Seti servers to cover it.

Don't get me wrong......I am not on the front lines trying to deal with this constant hardware and OS BS that the boyz have to deal with.

But they are spending far too much time and effort lately trying to keep the hardware glued together and functioning for my taste, and I am sure theirs.

I know......it's not a perfect world.....just my 2c......

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Message 898452 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 0:07:33 UTC - in response to Message 898375.  

you have to set your preferences to seti_enhanced yes all others no

On my other machine, I want all AstroPulse and no Multibeam.

There are 'venues' you can set preferences for, and attach computers to, you know!

Yep, and I think I've got that configured correctly now. Thanks!

I'd try an optimized science application, but I'm not sure what works on a Via C7.


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Message 898465 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 0:27:17 UTC

I'm not getting any work of any kind on at least one CUDA PC that usually runs 4 AP and a CUDA. And a weird message:
"Reached daily quota of 500 results" what is that all about?
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Message 898476 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 0:54:24 UTC - in response to Message 898465.  
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I'm not getting any work of any kind on at least one CUDA PC that usually runs 4 AP and a CUDA. And a weird message:
"Reached daily quota of 500 results" what is that all about?


The system limits how many work units can be sent to each machine per day. It's to stop a machine throwing a fit and continously returning errors and chewing up server space and bandwidth or just requesting 1,000,000 jobs.

If you have run out of AP units the machine may have requested a heap of MB units, more than you need because the task correction number will be in-accurate.

You dont need to do anything, your mahine has plenty of MB units right now, by the time it gets through them the APs should be flowing again, and things will return to normal.

Your allocation of work untis will reset tomorrow, but by then the machine will probably have worked it is has too many, and wont ask for more for a few days.

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Message 898528 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 2:57:15 UTC - in response to Message 898465.  
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What that means is the Cuda has recieved and rejected 500 WU's (VLAR Kill) and the server has decided to not give you anymore work. What I would in the short term is turn GPU and AP OFF in your preferences and hope that you get a bunch of 6.03 shorties. The server then knows that for every one you return successfully it will give you two more. This continues until you get back up towards the 500

So let it munch on 6.03's for a couple of days and check your quota at time. As you are getting back closer to 400/day the turn Cuda back on for a bit and watch to insure you do not get another big batch of VLAR's (disable GPU again)

I presume it was this machine http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4296770

I'm not getting any work of any kind on at least one CUDA PC that usually runs 4 AP and a CUDA. And a weird message:
"Reached daily quota of 500 results" what is that all about?

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Message 898554 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 5:58:59 UTC

I would presume as there are not enough AP tasks being generated to supply the demand that the logical thing to do is to resurrect some old data that has already been through the MB splitter.
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Message 898608 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 11:02:50 UTC - in response to Message 898554.  
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Hi, unfortunatly splitters are DISABLED, only 1(fast) QUAD has some AP WU's!
And this one does 4 in <10 hours, so I like them ;).

But since I've heat and dust problems, it's a good time to clean and reseat some coolers.

Has it been done before, splitting 'old' DATA for AP use?
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Message 898667 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 15:13:39 UTC - in response to Message 898554.  

I would presume as there are not enough AP tasks being generated to supply the demand that the logical thing to do is to resurrect some old data that has already been through the MB splitter.

Unfortunately, there is probably very little data in that category which has the "hardware radar blanking" information. When Matt's efforts on "software radar blanking" are working, at least all the multibeam data received before Astropulse release will become practical sources of AP data. OTOH I speculate that data from before multibeam could be used for Astropulse work, though it would need modified ap_splitter code and a working tape drive; the feed for that data wasn't heavily affected by the radars.

I question whether there's really a large "demand" for Astropulse work. It seems to me the 90% or so of hosts which are using default settings have simply been getting a heavy weighting of AP work because the Feeder has not been configured to deliver a good balance. If AP work remains unavailable for awhile, I expect apparent "demand" for S@H Enhanced work to increase as many of the 372,032 AP tasks in progress finish.
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Message 898702 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 17:19:55 UTC - in response to Message 898465.  

I'm not getting any work of any kind on at least one CUDA PC that usually runs 4 AP and a CUDA. And a weird message:
"Reached daily quota of 500 results" what is that all about?

Thanks to Ianab and Papa for the replies. I slept on it, had a bunch of SETI WU this morning. But no AP's. At least the PC has something to do. The odd thing is, other PC's are receiving AP WU. We'll see in a couple days.
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