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Message 909174 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 15:06:26 UTC


The last word isn´t spoken yet.
Lets wait what Bernie Ecclestone says.

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Message 909190 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 15:47:21 UTC - in response to Message 909174.


The last word isn´t spoken yet.
Lets wait what Bernie Ecclestone says.



Bernie Ecclestone is not all mighty.
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Message 909201 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 16:19:54 UTC - in response to Message 909190.


The last word isn´t spoken yet.
Lets wait what Bernie Ecclestone says.



Bernie Ecclestone is not all mighty.


Don't tell him that.
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Message 909216 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 17:02:04 UTC - in response to Message 909201.


The last word isn´t spoken yet.
Lets wait what Bernie Ecclestone says.



Bernie Ecclestone is not all mighty.


Don't tell him that.


Ditto!

You here so many different views on why the teams are in A up roar who knows which one is the truth.
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Message 909248 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 18:12:06 UTC - in response to Message 909216.


The last word isn´t spoken yet.
Lets wait what Bernie Ecclestone says.



Bernie Ecclestone is not all mighty.


Don't tell him that.


Ditto!

You here so many different views on why the teams are in A up roar who knows which one is the truth.


I thought this one was pretty clear. Bernie wants to put a spending cap on the sport to make it more affordable to more teams. The big players (Ferrari, ect.) use the sport as a marketing tool. Why would you pay half a million for a car if it was not made by one of the willing teams. The idea of getting a Mercedez even crossed my mind last year. Shame on me. To Ferrari, et.al. money is no object. They are willing to pay what ever it costs to win. Because wins equals sales. If they are limited to the same budget as say Force India or Brawn then the odds of them winning is reduced.

Take this year as an example. Brawn came up with a winning package. Ferrari is now spending millions to match and beat it. Under the spending cap they would be out of luck. There is no way they could make the chages to match Brawn this year.

The big boys simply do not want to have thier hands tied.

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Message 909261 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 18:58:17 UTC - in response to Message 909248.


The last word isn´t spoken yet.
Lets wait what Bernie Ecclestone says.



Bernie Ecclestone is not all mighty.


Don't tell him that.


Ditto!

You here so many different views on why the teams are in A up roar who knows which one is the truth.


I thought this one was pretty clear. Bernie wants to put a spending cap on the sport to make it more affordable to more teams. The big players (Ferrari, ect.) use the sport as a marketing tool. Why would you pay half a million for a car if it was not made by one of the willing teams. The idea of getting a Mercedez even crossed my mind last year. Shame on me. To Ferrari, et.al. money is no object. They are willing to pay what ever it costs to win. Because wins equals sales. If they are limited to the same budget as say Force India or Brawn then the odds of them winning is reduced.

Take this year as an example. Brawn came up with a winning package. Ferrari is now spending millions to match and beat it. Under the spending cap they would be out of luck. There is no way they could make the chages to match Brawn this year.

The big boys simply do not want to have thier hands tied.


Lets hope the Big boys do not throw A tantrum if they do not get their way LOL
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Message 909288 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 21:26:21 UTC

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Message 909308 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 22:34:19 UTC - in response to Message 909288.

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Message 909341 - Posted: 20 Jun 2009, 0:03:56 UTC

Looks like Audi did not do that much testing before the 24 at Le Mans this year.
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Message 909437 - Posted: 20 Jun 2009, 7:05:17 UTC


I´m not sure in wich world Max Mosley is living in.
I dont think its on the FIA to reduce the costs.
Hi techonlogie cost money.
If the teams dont have enough they should just quit racing.

I think thats just a mighty game.
FIA tried it 3 years ago.
On the other hand if the 8 teams cancel the contract formula one is dead.

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Message 909620 - Posted: 20 Jun 2009, 18:13:39 UTC - in response to Message 909437.


I´m not sure in wich world Max Mosley is living in.
I dont think its on the FIA to reduce the costs.
Hi techonlogie cost money.
If the teams dont have enough they should just quit racing.

I think thats just a mighty game.
FIA tried it 3 years ago.
On the other hand if the 8 teams cancel the contract formula one is dead.



I do not believe any one team can race in F1 by going the cheap route. Has it ever been mentioned what type of fuel costs the teams incur for A season?
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Message 909792 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 7:23:03 UTC


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.

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Message 909856 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 14:55:04 UTC - in response to Message 909792.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.
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Message 909862 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 15:09:39 UTC - in response to Message 909856.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.


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Message 909863 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 15:11:31 UTC - in response to Message 909862.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.



One would think with all of the technology they could make the full bodied cars stable above 200mph.

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Message 909867 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 15:38:42 UTC - in response to Message 909863.
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I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.



One would think with all of the technology they could make the full bodied cars stable above 200mph.



They can, in a straight line, but when those corners come up at 200+.

A couple of years ago someone (I think it was Rusty Wallace) took the new Sprint Cup car to Talladega for a test without a restrictor plate and ran a lap at 225+. But he was alone on the track, not with 42 other cars disturbing the air around him.

If he had had a drafting partner, you could add at least 10 mph on top of the 225.
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Message 909870 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 15:51:46 UTC - in response to Message 909867.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.



One would think with all of the technology they could make the full bodied cars stable above 200mph.



They can, in a straight line, but when those corners come up at 200+.

A couple of years ago someone (I think it was Rusty Wallace) took the new Sprint Cup car to Talladega for a test without a restrictor plate and ran a lap at 225+. But he was alone on the track, not with 42 other cars disturbing the air around him.

If he had had a drafting partner, you could add at least 10 mph on top of the 225.



I notcied this year the rear wing has changed shape. It looks more like A road course car wing.
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Message 909878 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 16:40:13 UTC - in response to Message 909870.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.



One would think with all of the technology they could make the full bodied cars stable above 200mph.



They can, in a straight line, but when those corners come up at 200+.

A couple of years ago someone (I think it was Rusty Wallace) took the new Sprint Cup car to Talladega for a test without a restrictor plate and ran a lap at 225+. But he was alone on the track, not with 42 other cars disturbing the air around him.

If he had had a drafting partner, you could add at least 10 mph on top of the 225.



I notcied this year the rear wing has changed shape. It looks more like A road course car wing.


It's been there a couple of years on the Cup cars. It is a true wing instead of a spoiler.

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Message 909880 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 16:43:04 UTC - in response to Message 909870.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.



One would think with all of the technology they could make the full bodied cars stable above 200mph.



They can, in a straight line, but when those corners come up at 200+.

A couple of years ago someone (I think it was Rusty Wallace) took the new Sprint Cup car to Talladega for a test without a restrictor plate and ran a lap at 225+. But he was alone on the track, not with 42 other cars disturbing the air around him.

If he had had a drafting partner, you could add at least 10 mph on top of the 225.



I notcied this year the rear wing has changed shape. It looks more like A road course car wing.


Yes its a new rule.
Front wings are wider and rear wings are smaller to reduce top speed.



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Message 909961 - Posted: 21 Jun 2009, 23:30:20 UTC - in response to Message 909880.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.



One would think with all of the technology they could make the full bodied cars stable above 200mph.



They can, in a straight line, but when those corners come up at 200+.

A couple of years ago someone (I think it was Rusty Wallace) took the new Sprint Cup car to Talladega for a test without a restrictor plate and ran a lap at 225+. But he was alone on the track, not with 42 other cars disturbing the air around him.

If he had had a drafting partner, you could add at least 10 mph on top of the 225.



I notcied this year the rear wing has changed shape. It looks more like A road course car wing.


Yes its a new rule.
Front wings are wider and rear wings are smaller to reduce top speed.




The front wing is so long it looks like A broom lol
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