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fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
Ok. Here it goes. I was listening to NPR this morning and they were asking a voter in Indiana who they were going to vote for and why. She said that Obama is ok, but that she was worried about that muslim thing that he might be and then went on to say ... "you know muslims and terrorism". Forget the fact that Obama has been a Christian his entire life (not that it matters!), but what the hell? There is no reason we can not have a muslim, catholic, christian, buddhist or atheist president. As long as she or he thinks of the constitution first. The second voter they talked to was a bit better. She liked McCain because he was a POW and all that in the past. Which to be honest I guess she was talking about his experience and age. Chris. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Chris-I heard the program as well. I've heard some very pro-Muslim statements from Obama that have concerned me. One was something to the effect of-if it came down to choosing sides, he'd choose the Muslims. The other issue is that the Radical Muslims are infiltrating the more peaceful, tolerant Muslim sects and are converting them to the more dangerous opinions that they hold. I think both combine to leave a dark cloud over Obama's head |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
like they are not same kind of people in christians circles, or any religion |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
I have no doubt that Obama would fight for America to the last drop of blood in his body. The same for McCain (as he has proved many times in his past). I wish we could have a presidential campaign and at the end of it not know the religion of each candidate. It simply does not matter. We can know his values and policies by his past work and history. We do not need to know what invisible force he or she has belief in. However with the devoted followers of many different religions and the power they hold over large voting blocks that just will not happen. The fact is that America is not a Christian country, a Buddhist country, a Muslim country or even a country governed by the mighty Zeus. American is a country made up of people of free thought. There are millions of Muslim Americans. Can you just imagine how afraid they must have been after 9/11. You and I thought we were afraid. They must have been shaking in their boots. It is sad that we let our religions dictate who we want to have protecting our constitution. Just take a look at Bush. At how much he has hurt our constitution. That by itself is proof that a person's religion does mean he or she will be a good president. CNN debunks false report about Obama:http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/ Chris. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Forget the fact that Obama has been a Christian his entire life Even Barack Hussein Obama himself says as a child he attended a Muslim school. That's from your source Chris. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Forget the fact that Obama has been a Christian his entire life Totally False as these sources say: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama.htm http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html Even McCain say Barack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim, He goes to a Church just like most Christians. I don't go to Church(Nor did I when I was growing up), Does that make Me a Muslim?? NO. My mother went to a Catholic school when She was young, Does that make Her Catholic?? NO. And no I'm for the other candidate(I'm not for RP). Besides the Two are Good Friends when they aren't campaigning for President. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I don't go to Church(Nor did I when I was growing up), Does that make Me a Muslim?? NO. It makes you a gentile... ;) (Unless you prefer pagan, heathen, or infidel) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Forget the fact that Obama has been a Christian his entire life Your first source cites the second. The second cites CNN. Chris's source is CNN. CNN claims their source is the candidate himself. Something is fishy. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
First one can't even spell Muslim correct...I doubt this person is an active researcher. |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
Yes. As kid ... and kids really have no choice what schools they are put in when they are under 10 years old. But to add some info that is also in the source the school focused on real education and not religion. Would you not want a president that went to a good christian school? Even if it was only for a year or two when they were under 10 years old? Once we begin to realize that there is no real difference then we will be able to put aside our distrust and hate and come together. Chris. Forget the fact that Obama has been a Christian his entire life |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
Chris-I heard the program as well. Do you have a source for this? It would be most interesting to see or read these pro-muslim statements and sentiments, because the McCain/Palin bunch would have been screaming blue bloody murder over them were they actually reported. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Forget the fact that Obama has been a Christian his entire life I just Googled some, Is there a problem with that? The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
Obama is not a Muslim. But even if he was it should make no difference. We need to set religion aside. If we don't mind electing people who went to Christian schools when they were under 10 years old then we have already said it is ok to go to a religious school. I have no room in my mind to accept people who hate others for their sex, skin color or religion. If you will not consider Obama because he went to a school in Africa when he was under 10 years old you are discriminating against him. Even if you will not admit it to yourself. Heck, I could say that when McCain was POW the communist could have put something in his brain and as soon as he gets elected they will turn it on. But that would almost be as silly as saying Obama is a Muslim. But once again even if he was he still has every right to be treated the same as a Christian. Chris. Forget the fact that Obama has been a Christian his entire life |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Obama is not a Muslim. But even if he was it should make no difference. We need to set religion aside. If we don't mind electing people who went to Christian schools when they were under 10 years old then we have already said it is ok to go to a religious school. I have no room in my mind to accept people who hate others for their sex, skin color or religion. If you will not consider Obama because he went to a school in Africa when he was under 10 years old you are discriminating against him. Even if you will not admit it to yourself. Heck, I could say that when McCain was POW the communist could have put something in his brain and as soon as he gets elected they will turn it on. But that would almost be as silly as saying Obama is a Muslim. But once again even if he was he still has every right to be treated the same as a Christian. I agree Chris, Some people will say anything and will repeat false rumors. And yeah If Obama did go to school outside the USA, So what? He just got well rounded education and was able to go to different countries, My brother James did that while in the US Navy and had a daughter that was born in Japan too, She's a college grad and He was very proud of Her as is Her Mother and I(We're all born in the USA too). The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
If you want scary religious statements watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs What I take from this is that the iraq war is god's plan. She has every right to say and believe this. But the reason it changes the way I view their campaign is that this tells me that she will let God in on policy decisions. Or worst use God to justify policy decisions. Chris. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
If you want scary religious statements watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs It sounds like just Pointless rambling on Her part. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
Yea. I agree. here is another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA&feature=related Chris. If you want scary religious statements watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Yea. I agree. here is another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA&feature=related Not so rambling this time more focused like for a speech as theirs a gas pipeline that's supposed to be built up there soon. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
True. It is just the mixing of God's will into a political funding/enviromental decision that bothers me on this one. Chris. Yea. I agree. here is another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA&feature=related |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Chris-I heard the program as well. Robert---I agree completely. The source for the Pro-Muslim statements is the Sean Hannity show over the past few months. They keep replaying clips of Obama over and over again. They have referred to the Muslim concerns repeatedly as of late. As to the infiltration of the more peaceful Muslim sects, my source is a NBC Evening News broadcast from probly 3-4 months back. I just remember they had some Muslim Clerics from the US on that were expressing their concerns that more intolerant people had come into their flocks and were egging on the aggression and hatred. |
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