... Oh nooooooo...

Not the infamously stupid "Turbo mode"...

I thought that had been completely and utterly discredited with the "TurboCache" of certain memory crippled graphics cards of the past.

Or does Marketing still dream that "Turbo" and naked pouting women somehow increase sales of any-old-anything to all men?


What does the "Turbo" term mean anyway? The digital electronics should be working exactly at acceptable margins for maximum performance to begin with. Does "Turbo" mean that it's going to burn out?


Happy crunchin',
Martin

When you get your hand on a Nehalem, you will very quickly understand why turbo is cool ... on High TDP processors, it is not a big deal, except that you get 4% or 8% extra clock, and you will use it to overclock too.
But on more mobile parts, it will be a killer.

Turbo is super cool, just wait and see.

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who?
Skulltrail D5400XS

Thanks "Who?".

It seems the web is saying It again:

ED#102 : The Intel Core i7 Processor & Intel X58 Express Chipset Are Ready For Launch Rev. 1.2

The launch date has been confirmed! AMD is going to be in a Pickle, If they ain't already that is. ;)

Just scroll down the page to where It says Update as It's been done twice!

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Thanks "Who?".

It seems the web is saying It again:

ED#102 : The Intel Core i7 Processor & Intel X58 Express Chipset Are Ready For Launch Rev. 1.2

The launch date has been confirmed! AMD is going to be in a Pickle, If they ain't already that is. ;)

Just scroll down the page to where It says Update as It's been done twice!

Here Comes the Tock.....

2008 Tock: Nehalem 45nm (new architecture)
2009 Tick: Westmere 32nm (shrink)
2010 Tock: Sandy Bridge 32nm (new architecture)
2011 Tick: Ivy Bridge 22nm (shrink)
2012 Tock: Haswell 22nm (new architecture)
2013 Tick: 16nm (shrink)
2014 Tock: 16nm (new architecture)
2015 Tick: 11nm (shrink)
2016 Tock: 11nm (new architecture)
2017 Tock: Quantum Tunneling!!!

(purely theoretical)

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- Luke.

Thanks "Who?".

It seems the web is saying It again:

ED#102 : The Intel Core i7 Processor & Intel X58 Express Chipset Are Ready For Launch Rev. 1.2

The launch date has been confirmed! AMD is going to be in a Pickle, If they ain't already that is. ;)

Just scroll down the page to where It says Update as It's been done twice!

Here Comes the Tock.....

2008 Tock: Nehalem 45nm (new architecture)
2009 Tick: Westmere 32nm (shrink)
2010 Tock: Sandy Bridge 32nm (new architecture)
2011 Tick: Ivy Bridge 22nm (shrink)
2012 Tock: Haswell 22nm (new architecture)
2013 Tick: 16nm (shrink)
2014 Tock: 16nm (new architecture)
2015 Tick: 11nm (shrink)
2016 Tock: 11nm (new architecture)
2017 Tock: Quantum Tunneling!!!

(purely theoretical)

Actually with Silicon, Going below 22nm right now is I've read, Is not possible, One would need some other material. "Who?" where are You? Otherwise 22nm is the End of Line.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Thanks "Who?".

It seems the web is saying It again:

ED#102 : The Intel Core i7 Processor & Intel X58 Express Chipset Are Ready For Launch Rev. 1.2

The launch date has been confirmed! AMD is going to be in a Pickle, If they ain't already that is. ;)

Just scroll down the page to where It says Update as It's been done twice!

Here Comes the Tock.....

2008 Tock: Nehalem 45nm (new architecture)
2009 Tick: Westmere 32nm (shrink)
2010 Tock: Sandy Bridge 32nm (new architecture)
2011 Tick: Ivy Bridge 22nm (shrink)
2012 Tock: Haswell 22nm (new architecture)
2013 Tick: 16nm (shrink)
2014 Tock: 16nm (new architecture)
2015 Tick: 11nm (shrink)
2016 Tock: 11nm (new architecture)
2017 Tock: Quantum Tunneling!!!

(purely theoretical)

Actually with Silicon, Going below 22nm right now is I've read, Is not possible, One would need some other material. "Who?" where are You? Otherwise 22nm is the End of Line.

If you read on Wikipedia's article of "11nm" I believe it quotes Intel saying "We see a clear path to 11nm" or some variance of the latter...

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- Luke.

Maybe the LHC can help with that... Science will advance so fast after it starts operating that we could find a material to shrink the processor dies smaller.

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What if Fiction was Fact and Fact was Fiction and vice versa?

Well, Pricespy New Zealand lists the cheapest price for the Intel Core i7 920 as NZ$661 flying up to a total of NZ$750. I suppose that's affordable for the budget I have...
Also, for interest to others... the 940 cheapest price is listed as NZ$1185, again going up to roughly NZ$1350.

The Intel X58 mobo's cheapest price is NZ$550 and the ASUS P6T Deluxe is listed cheapest as $750... That's again... just affordable.

Buy the time I come round to my build in March... hopefully prices might have tapered off a little.

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- Luke.

Thanks "Who?".

It seems the web is saying It again:

ED#102 : The Intel Core i7 Processor & Intel X58 Express Chipset Are Ready For Launch Rev. 1.2

The launch date has been confirmed! AMD is going to be in a Pickle, If they ain't already that is. ;)

Just scroll down the page to where It says Update as It's been done twice!

Here Comes the Tock.....

2008 Tock: Nehalem 45nm (new architecture)
2009 Tick: Westmere 32nm (shrink)
2010 Tock: Sandy Bridge 32nm (new architecture)
2011 Tick: Ivy Bridge 22nm (shrink)
2012 Tock: Haswell 22nm (new architecture)
2013 Tick: 16nm (shrink)
2014 Tock: 16nm (new architecture)
2015 Tick: 11nm (shrink)
2016 Tock: 11nm (new architecture)
2017 Tock: Quantum Tunneling!!!

(purely theoretical)

Actually with Silicon, Going below 22nm right now is I've read, Is not possible, One would need some other material. "Who?" where are You? Otherwise 22nm is the End of Line.

For the last 15 years, I hear that the end of the line is in 2 years ... The material science guys smile when you ask.
Last year, at IDF, Mr Gordon Moore (the man of the law) said that he is confident for the next 10 years, without any problem.

Here is the man:
http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/general/2007/09/18/fall-intel-idf-2007-gordon-moore-live-webcast-38-chat

Thanks "Who?".

It seems the web is saying It again:

ED#102 : The Intel Core i7 Processor & Intel X58 Express Chipset Are Ready For Launch Rev. 1.2

The launch date has been confirmed! AMD is going to be in a Pickle, If they ain't already that is. ;)

Just scroll down the page to where It says Update as It's been done twice!

Here Comes the Tock.....

2008 Tock: Nehalem 45nm (new architecture)
2009 Tick: Westmere 32nm (shrink)
2010 Tock: Sandy Bridge 32nm (new architecture)
2011 Tick: Ivy Bridge 22nm (shrink)
2012 Tock: Haswell 22nm (new architecture)
2013 Tick: 16nm (shrink)
2014 Tock: 16nm (new architecture)
2015 Tick: 11nm (shrink)
2016 Tock: 11nm (new architecture)
2017 Tock: Quantum Tunneling!!!

(purely theoretical)

Actually with Silicon, Going below 22nm right now is I've read, Is not possible, One would need some other material. "Who?" where are You? Otherwise 22nm is the End of Line.

For the last 15 years, I hear that the end of the line is in 2 years ... The material science guys smile when you ask.
Last year, at IDF, Mr Gordon Moore (the man of the law) said that he is confident for the next 10 years, without any problem.

Here is the man:
http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/general/2007/09/18/fall-intel-idf-2007-gordon-moore-live-webcast-38-chat

That's what I was alluding to "Who?" as I think 22nm is almost down to where the wires as It were would be(If I understand this correctly) almost the size of the electron or at least some what bigger than an electron. As I remember reading on this a while back in a magazine(paper type, possibly BYTE).

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Intel X58 motherboard prices leaked

http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-x58-motherboard-prices-leaked/

And as they say, Yer not gonna like this If It is indeed true. :|

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Intel X58 motherboard prices leaked

http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-x58-motherboard-prices-leaked/

And as they say, Yer not gonna like this If It is indeed true. :|

That seems inline with the prices posted for New Zealand just before...
NZ$1 = roughly US$0.60...

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- Luke.

Here's an X58/P55 update.

Fudzilla reports Core i7 has unlocked memory multiplier and no voltage limitations

TweakTown on Nehalem LP: Colonies test shows 20% improvement

Expreview on Intel P55: what we know so far

Tweak.dk posts MSI Eclipse specs and pictures

Corsair has triple-channel DDR3 kits, too $120-$475 a set(1333, 1600 and 1866)

NordicHardware: Intel's Lynnfield to offer limited overclocking?

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Corsair has triple-channel DDR3 kits, too $120-$475 a set(1333, 1600 and 1866)

Ah... finally a triple-channel kit! I've been looking for triple-packs quite a while.
Thanks again Joker.

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- Luke.

Now the MSI X58 Eclipse looks and resembles the P5K Deluxes which I like a lot, Beyond that I only know It's the middle of 3 motherboards, with the Platinum as their least expensive X58 model and the most expensive one isn't even named yet.

The Platinum still is very expensive, but of the 4 mainboards have seen the prices on, it's actually the only one that's less expensive than i7-920.

The prices around here I've seen is, in NOK:
CPU's:
i7-920: 2595
i7-940: 4995
i7-965: 8995

Mainboards:
MSI X58 Platinum, X58, Socket-1366, DDR3 ,ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK2499
Asus P6T Deluxe, X58, Socket-1366, DDR3, ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, 3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK2699
Asus P6T Deluxe+OC Palm,X58, Socket-1366 ATX,SLI&CrossFireX,DDR3,3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK3050
MSI Eclipse, X58, Socket-1366, DDR3 ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK3550.

The cpu's has "uncomfirmed 26.11.2008", while the Asus P6T Deluxe has "confirmed 22.10.2008", so should in theory have been available already, but maybe comes later to-day...


As for converting to € and $ and so on, no idea on the current conversion-factor, and neither how much more "expensive" it's around here or not...

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"I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."

Now the MSI X58 Eclipse looks and resembles the P5K Deluxes which I like a lot, Beyond that I only know It's the middle of 3 motherboards, with the Platinum as their least expensive X58 model and the most expensive one isn't even named yet.

The Platinum still is very expensive, but of the 4 mainboards have seen the prices on, it's actually the only one that's less expensive than i7-920.

The prices around here I've seen is, in NOK:
CPU's:
i7-920: 2595
i7-940: 4995
i7-965: 8995

Mainboards:
MSI X58 Platinum, X58, Socket-1366, DDR3 ,ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK2499
Asus P6T Deluxe, X58, Socket-1366, DDR3, ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, 3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK2699
Asus P6T Deluxe+OC Palm,X58, Socket-1366 ATX,SLI&CrossFireX,DDR3,3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK3050
MSI Eclipse, X58, Socket-1366, DDR3 ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK3550.

The cpu's has "uncomfirmed 26.11.2008", while the Asus P6T Deluxe has "confirmed 22.10.2008", so should in theory have been available already, but maybe comes later to-day...


As for converting to € and $ and so on, no idea on the current conversion-factor, and neither how much more "expensive" it's around here or not...

I'll do a few rough currency conversions (thanks to xe.com The Worlds favorite currency site!) to translate everything for most people here using:

CPU's
i7 920 = 2,595 NOK , US$368 , €287 Euro , 226 Pounds.
i7 940 = 4,995 NOK , US$709 , €552 Euro , 436 Pounds.
i7 965 = 8,995 NOK , US$1278 , €995 Euro , 785 Pounds.

Motherboards
MSI Platinum.= 2,499 NOK , US$355 , €276 Euro , 218 Pounds.
MSI Eclipse..= 3,550 NOK , US$504 , €393 Euro , 310 Pounds.
Asus P6T.....= 2,699 NOK , US$384 , €299 Euro , 236 Pounds.
Asus P6T OC..= 3,050 NOK , US$433 , €337 Euro , 266 Pounds.

Hopefully that should cover most world markets :)
And Yes, be aware that prices will vary by country and region.

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- Luke.

I'll do a few rough currency conversions (thanks to xe.com The Worlds favorite currency site!) to translate everything for most people here using:

CPU's
i7 920 = 2,595 NOK , US$368 , €287 Euro , 226 Pounds.
i7 940 = 4,995 NOK , US$709 , €552 Euro , 436 Pounds.
i7 965 = 8,995 NOK , US$1278 , €995 Euro , 785 Pounds.

Motherboards
MSI Platinum.= 2,499 NOK , US$355 , €276 Euro , 218 Pounds.
MSI Eclipse..= 3,550 NOK , US$504 , €393 Euro , 310 Pounds.
Asus P6T.....= 2,699 NOK , US$384 , €299 Euro , 236 Pounds.
Asus P6T OC..= 3,050 NOK , US$433 , €337 Euro , 266 Pounds.

Hopefully that should cover most world markets :)
And Yes, be aware that prices will vary by country and region.

Thanks for the conversions. :)

A couple Gigabyte-boards has also showed-up, while the Asus has changed date and # to 29.10, hmm, possibly already sold-out?

Anyway, the extra boards:
Gigabyte GA-X58-UD5, X58, DDR3, Socket-1366, ATX, 3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK 2550.
Gigabyte GA-X58-EXTREME, X58, DDR3, Socket-1366, ATX, 3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK 2999.

Only on the Asus has I managed to download a manual, for the others nothing shows-up, even searches for the model-number...

Anyway, the Asus atleast including 2 SAS-connectors, wouldn't exactly expect this on a "normal" home-user-board, so if the other boards is similar, can explain the very high price. Hopefully more "normal"-prized boards is released "soon"...

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"I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."

Sort By Name Make Stock Price qty
Asus P6T Deluxe "OC Palm Edition" Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard Asus P6T Deluxe "OC Palm Edition" Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

Core i7 1366 Support, 6400MHz FSB, Triple Channel DDR3 Support, 6x SATA, RAID, 8x USB2.0, FireWire, 7.1 HD Audio, Crossfire Support, Silent Heatpipe, Dual Gigabit LAN, Supplied with OC Palm.
Asus Pre-order £249.99
(£293.74)
Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

Core i7 1366 Support, 6400MHz FSB, Triple Channel DDR3 Support, 6x SATA, RAID, 8x USB2.0, FireWire, 7.1 HD Audio, Crossfire Support, Silent Heatpipe, Dual Gigabit LAN.
Asus Pre-order £229.99
(£270.24)
Intel SmackOver Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard Intel SmackOver Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

Core i7 1366 Support, 6400MHz FSB, Triple Channel DDR3 Support, 6x SATA, RAID, 8x USB2.0, FireWire, 7.1 HD Audio, Crossfire Support, Silent Heatpipe, Dual Gigabit LAN.
Intel Pre-order £199.99
(£234.99)


From Overclockers UK

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=5&subid=1283

Asus P6T Deluxe "OC Palm Edition" Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

Fulfilling demand for users that require a motherboard able to achieve extraordinary overclocking capability, ASUS, world-leader in motherboard production, has unveiled the new ASUS P6T DELUXE amid high user expectation. This innovative motherboard utilizes Intel's latest platform, and features the exclusive ASUS Super Hybrid Engine concept that encompasses the TurboV and EPU technologies to deliver the twofold benefits of overclocking and power efficiency. TurboV is an advanced overclocking application that enables easy overclocking without the need to exit or reboot the operating system; while the EPU automatically provides users exceptional power efficiency. Equipped with Super Hybrid Engine, users will enjoy the best overclocking environment and address environmental concerns at the same time.

The P6T DELUXE adopts the usage of TurboV-an advanced overclocking tool that utilizes a micro-controller to provide precise overclocking adjustments, and allow users to conveniently adjust the CPU ratio (multiplier)* for instant CPU upgrades for real-time performance enhancements. TurboV can also provide adjustments to the NB voltage, NB-PCIe voltage, CPU PLL voltage and DRAM voltage in 0.02V micro-intervals. These precise overclocking options make it easier for hardcore users to fine-tune their overclocking settings and strive for enhanced results with reduced failure rates. Furthermore, TurboV is able to do all this without exiting the operating system or rebooting! This unprecedented achievement allows users to achieve new overclocking records in real-time-allowing them to quickly adjust their overclocking settings "on-the-fly" and open a benchmarking program like 3DMark Vantage to obtain their scores immediately.

In lieu of the current trend towards power efficiency, the P6T DELUXE also utilizes the ASUS exclusive EPU technology. This hardware-based feature controls 6 major components: the CPU, VGA card, memory, chipset, hard drives, and the CPU cooler/system fan. Equipped with a database containing all of the Intel CPU profiles, the EPU intelligently identifies and selects the correct CPU profile and calibrates the best possible settings to ensure the best power management. In terms of the Chipset and Memory, the EPU provides enhanced power efficiency - improving thermal capabilities, enhances system stability to provide longer component lifespan and higher overclocking capability. As for VGA cards, the EPU automatically detects system loading and adjusts the VGA card's voltage and frequency-saving up to 37%** VGA power during everyday computing. With clever monitoring of the hard disk and fans, power wastage is reduced during periods of idling data access-helping to minimize hard drive and fan noise for quieter acoustics.

The breakthrough 16+2 phase VRM design present on the P6T DELUXE encompasses 16-phases for the vCore and an added 2-phase for QPI/Memory controller inside the CPU. With high quality power components such as low RDS (on) MOSFETs, Ferrite core chokes with lower hysteresis loss and 100% Japan-made high quality conductive polymer capacitors, ultimate durability, power efficiency and performance are ensured.

Another helpful feature comes in the form of OC Palm***, which provides real-time overclocking even during gameplay or 3D design applications without the requirement to exiting their currently open programs. Last but not least, the P6T DELUXE will adopt the SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) controller to allow users to utilize SAS hard disks. These hard disks will provide higher data transmission speeds and better data storage reliability in comparison to current SATA interfaces.

- Supports Intel Core i7 Socket LGA 1366 Processors ONLY
- 16+2 Phase Power Design
- 8-layer PCB with "Platinum Circuit Layout" for what Asus refers to as "Best Layout Design for Extreme OC Record"
- A "Unique Wind-Flow Thermal Design"
- 8x USB2.0 Ports
- eSATA
- Optical & Digital S/PDIF
- 7.1 Surround Sound with DTS
- Two channel SAS (serial attached SCSI) RAID from the Marvell 88E6320-TFJ2 controller
- 6x SATA Ports
- 6x DDR3 Slots (Supporting Tri-Channel)
- ExpressGate hardware with fast booting Linux OS on an in-built USB stick.
- "5000 hour" Fujitsu capacitors, ferrite core chokes and Low RDS(on) MOSFETs.
- Supplied with OC Palm Device





Asus P6T Deluxe Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

Basically as above but without the Palm





Intel SmackOver Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

- Supports Intel Core i7 Socket LGA 1366 Processors ONLY
- Memory Slots closer to CPU Socket than other designs for increased performance
- 8-layer PCB
- 8x USB2.0 Ports
- eSATA
- Optical & Digital S/PDIF
- 7.1 Surround Sound with DTS
- 6x SATA Ports
- 4x DDR3 Slots (Supporting Tri-Channel)

Thats all it has on that one!

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Here's a New work in progress from Foxconn:

Foxconn's mighty Blood Rage X58

More info at Tweaktown.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Intel SmackOver Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

- Supports Intel Core i7 Socket LGA 1366 Processors ONLY
- Memory Slots closer to CPU Socket than other designs for increased performance
- 8-layer PCB
- 8x USB2.0 Ports
- eSATA
- Optical & Digital S/PDIF
- 7.1 Surround Sound with DTS
- 6x SATA Ports
- 4x DDR3 Slots (Supporting Tri-Channel)

Thats all it has on that one!

4 memory-slots in triple-channel? Looks like a strange design...

It seems the intel-board has also been added:

Intel DX58SO, X58, Socket-1366, ATX, DDR3, QPI, GbLAN, 3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK 2695.

Meaning, the Intel-board is only NOK 4 cheaper than the Asus-board around here, this is less than a dollar. So, choosing the Asus-board is a much better option than the Intel-board, atleast in this instance...


BTW, this also shows local differences in pricing between boards can play a role in choosing which board to buy, since for the UK-price the Asus-board is 15% more expensive than the Intel-board, while here in Norway it's in reality no price-difference between them. But of course, different shops can have different prices, so it's an idea to look-around for the best prices...

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"I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."

Intel SmackOver Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard

- Supports Intel Core i7 Socket LGA 1366 Processors ONLY
- Memory Slots closer to CPU Socket than other designs for increased performance
- 8-layer PCB
- 8x USB2.0 Ports
- eSATA
- Optical & Digital S/PDIF
- 7.1 Surround Sound with DTS
- 6x SATA Ports
- 4x DDR3 Slots (Supporting Tri-Channel)

Thats all it has on that one!

4 memory-slots in triple-channel? Looks like a strange design...

It seems the intel-board has also been added:

Intel DX58SO, X58, Socket-1366, ATX, DDR3, QPI, GbLAN, 3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16: NOK 2695.

Meaning, the Intel-board is only NOK 4 cheaper than the Asus-board around here, this is less than a dollar. So, choosing the Asus-board is a much better option than the Intel-board, at least in this instance...


BTW, this also shows local differences in pricing between boards can play a role in choosing which board to buy, since for the UK-price the Asus-board is 15% more expensive than the Intel-board, while here in Norway it's in reality no price-difference between them. But of course, different shops can have different prices, so it's an idea to look-around for the best prices...

The Intel board might have four memory slots, But the catch is their asynchronous memory slots. That's what I've read at least.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's