The really big problem is us.

When the servers at Berkeley go down it seems a large segement of crunchers go into panic mode. They start removing Boinc, reinstalling a newer version or an older version in an attempt to make it work again. Worse then many reset the project or abort the work which means that work will have to be sent out again when the project does come back online and the wingman will wait an extended amount of time.

I don't know what else the message should say! "The project servers may be down" seems to make sense to me! Can't understand why so many of us panic and start messing around with their local boinc installations when the message correctly indicates the problem is at Berkeley.

But the very worse, for me anyway, is the expectation of many that Berkely must get someone into the computer lab and correct the problem immediately. Possibly have someone there 24/7 to take care of impending doom on the servers. Even with the servers down at Seti - Berkeley. The sun still rose in the East this morning. The earth is still turning on it's axxis. Nobody died as a direct result of the servers being down. Why can't the guy's at Berkeley have a life, at least on the weekends?

Just my opinion of course, YMMV.

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Very well said, Geek@Play. I don't think I could have said it better myself...
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The other week, I think it was, I read that somewhere in California got a 'nice jolt'. The first image that popped into my head was poor Matt under a cascade of falling servers, to which I thought "Oh No, I hope Matt's OK". The second thought was "Oh no the Servers!". My conscience is good with those priorities :D

"Don't Panic!"

Jason
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When the servers at Berkeley go down it seems a large segement of crunchers go into panic mode. They start removing Boinc, reinstalling a newer version or an older version in an attempt to make it work again. Worse then many reset the project or abort the work which means that work will have to be sent out again when the project does come back online and the wingman will wait an extended amount of time.

I don't know what else the message should say! "The project servers may be down" seems to make sense to me! Can't understand why so many of us panic and start messing around with their local boinc installations when the message correctly indicates the problem is at Berkeley.

But the very worse, for me anyway, is the expectation of many that Berkely must get someone into the computer lab and correct the problem immediately. Possibly have someone there 24/7 to take care of impending doom on the servers. Even with the servers down at Seti - Berkeley. The sun still rose in the East this morning. The earth is still turning on it's axxis. Nobody died as a direct result of the servers being down. Why can't the guy's at Berkeley have a life, at least on the weekends?

Just my opinion of course, YMMV.

There's also a secondary effect which I've been somewhat concerned about. Every time we have server difficulty there are multiple posts suggesting users should queue more work so they won't run out. Every WU queued on a host of course must also be in workunit storage on the servers, plus the database has to keep track of those issued but not completed tasks. Both workunit storage limitations and database issues have been the cause of past server indigestions, adding to those problems is counterproductive.

Because only a fraction of participants read these boards it probably won't make a lot of difference if some boost their queues, but it would be best for the project if the boosts were kept to moderate levels.

Just business as usual for those who worship at the altar of the almighty RAC.

When was the big outage when almost everyone ran out of work?
Was it Christmas '04?
Then when the SETI system came back up it took two days to get work for anyone using a Dial-Up Modem.
At the time it was a "Disastrophy" but a month later it was just history!
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This is why I crunch seven projects on a single PC....in case there are problems. As long as the debt calculation works correctly and the project with the problem gets its fair share of CPU time when it comes back online I don't have a problem.

The main problem is that people don't seem to realise that while it may be Monday morning for them, it's still Sunday evening for the SETI guys and I don't think we can begrudge them having a weekend out of the office.

Perhaps we should instigate an exchange programme and fly all the complainers in to fix the problems and give the SETI team a break
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Ditto that from me...

Well done and..

Cheers chaps.

I would remind people that Eric mentioned at the beginning of the last Fundraising Drive---that if enough funds were raised, then they could bring in an overnight/weekend person. The recent outages are a PRIME example of where this could've helped.
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When was the big outage when almost everyone ran out of work?
Was it Christmas '04?

I would remind people that Eric mentioned at the beginning of the last Fundraising Drive---that if enough funds were raised, then they could bring in an overnight/weekend person. The recent outages are a PRIME example of where this could've helped.

I would remind people that Eric mentioned at the beginning of the last Fundraising Drive---that if enough funds were raised, then they could bring in an overnight/weekend person. The recent outages are a PRIME example of where this could've helped.

OK as a non credit card owning UK resident, what is the best way for me to donate??