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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
It's so hard to be eloquent in agreement--isn't it Bill |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
The motives of the Soviets in Afghanistan were two-fold. They needed a buffer state to keep the Islamic regions of their empire at bay. Also to free them from influences of what was happening in the Muslim world. Yes, they sure yearned for better access to free water. It was said back when the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, that their next step was to occupy Iran, and with this gain direct access to the Indian Ocean. Some refugees from Iran, I discussed this with, were convinced that their country would be next to be occupied because of this. Soviet Union were always looking for expanding their access to open sea for their fleet, because Vladivostok is too far away and too icy, and the Black Sea, as you say, can easily be corked up. Then they only had the Great Belt as their outlet from the Baltic Sea from the former Leningrad, now Saint Petersburg, where a great part of their fleet were and still is harbored. There has always been a heavy traffic of Soviet battle ships (now Russian battle ships) through the Great Belt, which I have seen many times when I have crossed it. It's the direct access to the North Sea and with this the Atlantic Ocean. The big ships can't sail through Øresund, the strait between Denmark and Sweden, it's not deep enough. In fact the Great Belt and controlling the main access to the Baltic Sea has been the main reason for our strong association with NATO here, and back in the time of the cold war there were serious worries that we would be occupied as well by the Soviet Union, because they wanted to control the gate to their Baltic Sea fleet. There were serious worries here back right after the occupation of Afghanistan, and NATO stood stand-by back then for an eventual occupation of us. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane, sinking a U.S. ship, burning crops and blaming such actions on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford. Studying history is one heck of a thing, I've posted hard NSA documented evidence for Tonkin and could do the same for other instances via already acquired freedom of information queries, but in the end it is up to the individual to seek the truth and do the math. Motives? Transparent. Believability ratio? Low. Truth? Yes. Closure? Not when so many live in denial. Ignorance? Safe and true bliss. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
[quote]The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane, sinking a U.S. ship, burning crops and blaming such actions on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford. Studying history is one heck of a thing, I've posted hard NSA documented evidence for Tonkin and could do the same for other instances via already acquired freedom of information queries, but in the end it is up to the individual to seek the truth and do the math. Motives? Transparent. Believability ratio? Low. Truth? Yes. Closure? Not when so many live in denial. Ignorance? Safe and true bliss. Let history decide what did or did not happen? LOL. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
peanut Send message Joined: 1 Feb 07 Posts: 372 Credit: 1,951,576 RAC: 0 |
This might not exactly be a false flag op, but I just heard that the USA defense dept. has given congress notice that they intent to sell Israel 1000 bunker buster bombs. Congress has 30 days to say yea or na. I think it is a done deal on the yea side. I suppose the USA is selling them to Israel so Israel will be our stooge in starting a war with Iran. About Charlie Wilson's War... Remember that the CIA guy said to beware of the blow back from supporting the Afghan rebels. The Taliban came out of Charlie Wilson's War. You reap what you sow. A few real false flag ops may be going on in Boliva right now. The popular elected leader is not liked by the rich in that country nor by the USA. LINK TO ARTICLE |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
This might not exactly be a false flag op, but I just heard that the USA defense dept. has given congress notice that they intent to sell Israel 1000 bunker buster bombs. Congress has 30 days to say yea or na. I think it is a done deal on the yea side. I suppose the USA is selling them to Israel so Israel will be our stooge in starting a war with Iran. They're pressing out to Chavez, Russia, Iran. You name it, we're there initiating things. Not sure if Israel is our stooge or the other way around, but either way it has been a long hand-holding. Motives? Transparent and hidden. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
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