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Message 777320 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 18:53:34 UTC

In Plain Sight, A Woman Dies Unassisted on Hospital Floor

I'm guessing she was one of the many poor Americans who can't afford decent healthcare.
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Message 777345 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:10:48 UTC

Oh yeah, because no hospital in socialized medicine countries makes mistakes.

They just send people home to die, because they won't keep all people alive at any cost.
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Message 777353 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 777345.  
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Oh yeah, because no hospital in socialized medicine countries makes mistakes.

They just send people home to die, because they won't keep all people alive at any cost.

Yes..we should be more like America where you leave them on the floor to die.

...and yet you've posted the few mistakes made in socialised medicine as if they were common. Well here's a glimpse of what happens in the so wonderful American hospitals we are told about. This apparently isn't even a one off bad incident in this particular hospital.
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Message 777364 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:43:13 UTC

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.


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Message 777369 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 777364.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.
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Message 777370 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 777369.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.


Perhaps the belief in imaginary beings is the root of your problem??


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Message 777372 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:49:53 UTC - in response to Message 777370.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.


Perhaps the belief in imaginary beings is the root of your problem??

Yes.. That must be it. (irony is wasted on you isn't it?)
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Message 777373 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:50:57 UTC - in response to Message 777353.  

Oh yeah, because no hospital in socialized medicine countries makes mistakes.

They just send people home to die, because they won't keep all people alive at any cost.

Yes..we should be more like America where you leave them on the floor to die.

This woman died as a result of a mistake--she wasn't sent away to die. I would think that people would rather die as a result of mistake, than be sent home to ponder their impending death. That's just speculation on my part, of course.

...and yet you've posted the few mistakes made in socialised medicine as if they were common.

No, it was to illustrate that people can get crappy medical attention no matter where they are, to illustrate that no system will keep 100% of people alive 100% of the time, and to illustrate that socialized medicine isn't "free" by any sense of the term.

I have no illusions about American medical care--it is some of the best in the world, but given the amount of gov't meddling, it is horribly horribly restricted. At least, if you aren't happy with it, you can go somewhere else, or choose a different insurance company.

Well here's a glimpse of what happens in the so wonderful American hospitals we are told about. This apparently isn't even a one off bad incident in this particular hospital.

Actually, this is a glimpse of what sometimes happens in any medical system, anywhere--people make mistakes.
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Message 777375 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:52:08 UTC - in response to Message 777372.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.


Perhaps the belief in imaginary beings is the root of your problem??

Yes.. That must be it. (irony is wasted on you isn't it?)


Just as logic is wasted on you.


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Message 777376 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 777373.  


This woman died as a result of a mistake--she wasn't sent away to die. I would think that people would rather die as a result of mistake, than be sent home to ponder their impending death. That's just speculation on my part, of course.

Well it doesn't sound like a mistake. She was left for an hour on a waiting room floor while people looked on. That's no 'mistake'.


No, it was to illustrate that people can get crappy medical attention no matter where they are, to illustrate that no system will keep 100% of people alive 100% of the time, and to illustrate that socialized medicine isn't "free" by any sense of the term.

I have no illusions about American medical care--it is some of the best in the world, but given the amount of gov't meddling, it is horribly horribly restricted. At least, if you aren't happy with it, you can go somewhere else, or choose a different insurance company.

That bit about no everyone being able to afford health care went right by you didn't it. At least Brainsmashr is honest.


Actually, this is a glimpse of what sometimes happens in any medical system, anywhere--people make mistakes.

Rush. You have a strange concept of what a mistake is.

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Message 777377 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:54:04 UTC - in response to Message 777375.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.


Perhaps the belief in imaginary beings is the root of your problem??

Yes.. That must be it. (irony is wasted on you isn't it?)


Just as logic is wasted on you.

Said the janitor to the physicist.
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Message 777379 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 777345.  

they won't keep all people alive at any cost.

That's a luxury reserved for certain people... and the cost will be earth... ;)
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Message 777380 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:56:27 UTC - in response to Message 777377.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.


Perhaps the belief in imaginary beings is the root of your problem??

Yes.. That must be it. (irony is wasted on you isn't it?)


Just as logic is wasted on you.

Said the janitor to the physicist.



Hey, that's pretty interesting.

It's ALMOST an admission that individuals are responsible for their own success...quite the opposite of your usual jibberish.


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Message 777382 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:57:31 UTC - in response to Message 777369.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.

Is this one of those times where you mean "the current Administration," instead of Americans as a whole? Or are you making generalizations about 300 million people based on BrainSmashr's opinion?
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Message 777384 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 19:59:35 UTC - in response to Message 777382.  
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You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.

Is this one of those times where you mean "the current Administration," instead of Americans as a whole? Or are you making generalizations about 300 million people based on BrainSmashr's opinion?



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Message 777385 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 20:02:10 UTC - in response to Message 777380.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.


Perhaps the belief in imaginary beings is the root of your problem??

Yes.. That must be it. (irony is wasted on you isn't it?)


Just as logic is wasted on you.

Said the janitor to the physicist.



Hey, that's pretty interesting.

It's ALMOST an admission that individuals are responsible for their own success...quite the opposite of your usual jibberish.

Actually I came back to delete that comment because it was a cheap shot and beneath me. I can't judge on why you are what you are..I don't know what your background is..or what help you got growing up..or what education you got..or if you had been able to finance your education.

My point was not that I'm somehow better than you..my point was that you are accusing someone of being illogical who has trained for years in logic. It's really is more likely that your logic is flawed, not mine.
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Message 777388 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 20:05:07 UTC - in response to Message 777382.  

You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.

Is this one of those times where you mean "the current Administration," instead of Americans as a whole? Or are you making generalizations about 300 million people based on BrainSmashr's opinion?

I am talking about the thing that all children pledge allegiance to first thing in the morning in American schools. You explain to me what that is...are you pledging allegiance to 300 million people? I somehow doubt it.
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Message 777396 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 20:10:48 UTC

Oh..and the woman who died was mentally ill. She never stood a chance to 'be better' and 'earn enough money to pay for her medicine'.
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Message 777401 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 20:15:06 UTC - in response to Message 777385.  
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You don't DESERVE medical treatment just because you're sick. Some one has to pay for it, and if it's me...you're gonna die.

God Bless America.


Perhaps the belief in imaginary beings is the root of your problem??

Yes.. That must be it. (irony is wasted on you isn't it?)


Just as logic is wasted on you.

Said the janitor to the physicist.



Hey, that's pretty interesting.

It's ALMOST an admission that individuals are responsible for their own success...quite the opposite of your usual jibberish.

Actually I came back to delete that comment because it was a cheap shot and beneath me. I can't judge on why you are what you are..I don't know what your background is..or what help you got growing up..or what education you got..or if you had been able to finance your education.

My point was not that I'm somehow better than you..my point was that you are accusing someone of being illogical who has trained for years in logic. It's really is more likely that your logic is flawed, not mine.



Really?

So it's "logical" to post something you didn't mean then return later to remove it?

Funny, people who actually utilize logical thought (as opposed to just being trained to do so) might suggest that saying nothing at all would have been the logical choice.

Imagine how much money you could have saved buying a mop and bucket instead of an education that you don't seem to use...


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Message 777404 - Posted: 2 Jul 2008, 20:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 777396.  

Oh..and the woman who died was mentally ill. She never stood a chance to 'be better' and 'earn enough money to pay for her medicine'.


Then the "logical" conclusion is that she should have been in a mental institution rather than at home taking care of herself.

Things that make you go hmmm...


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