There is an exit clause but imagine the pressure that could be placed on an island state from those who don't like their attitude no matter how valid it may be.

This is what Ireland risks, and still did for the good of all EU members.

Not all countries were even allowed to vote on it. Amazing isn't it?

There is an exit clause but imagine the pressure that could be placed on an island state from those who don't like their attitude no matter how valid it may be.

This is what Ireland risks, and still did for the good of all EU members.

Not all countries were even allowed to vote on it. Amazing isn't it?

they had election in which they choose their representatives who made decision by law that you don´t have to have vote for it, so they had choice

There is an exit clause but imagine the pressure that could be placed on an island state from those who don't like their attitude no matter how valid it may be.

This is what Ireland risks, and still did for the good of all EU members.

Not all countries were even allowed to vote on it. Amazing isn't it?

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister.

As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister.

Does this make you happy?

As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister.

Does this make you happy?

No

Back in 1973-1975 the UK was asked to vote whether to remain within the Common Market, which was a federation of common trading partners. The vote was yes, and I voted that way.

Had we known the way politicians were to take Britain, without any referendum history or protection, then I am positive the UK would have voted NO and come out then.

I wish this country could exit the EU now

We have gained nothing from the arrangement, and, indeed, it has cost this country much in the way of decision making and cash.

[quote]As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister.

Does this make you happy?

No

Back in 1973-1975 the UK was asked to vote whether to remain within the Common Market, which was a federation of common trading partners. The vote was yes, and I voted that way.

Had we known the way politicians were to take Britain, without any referendum history or protection, then I am positive the UK would have voted NO and come out then.

I wish this country could exit the EU now

We have gained nothing from the arrangement, and, indeed, it has cost this country much in the way of decision making and cash.

As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister.

Does this make you happy?

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister.

Does this make you happy?

I don't care. I would have voted yes anyway...

Why would you guys be so ready to hand your country over to someone else to run?

Why would you guys be so ready to hand your country over to someone else to run?

Why would you guys be so ready to hand your country over to someone else to run?

cause i live in europe, and i am not running any country, as you don´t run too.
so we have handed them already, then there is a issue that countries in europe
are very similar after you strip the thin coat that people speak different language, underneath comes european person who believes same values and wants same things in life. we are same people, the borders are not real, they are manmade, numerous times in history.

Some of the things the Irish didn't like were things like the complete trash canning of the double indemnity law as well as many other judicial mandates. Weird environmental and agricultural laws, all in the hands of strangers. There are so many things being done and buried in the legal jargon that many don't seem to have any idea the power they are handing to someone who they don't even know.

Like I said before, agreements are fine. Bundled power packages aren't. We see how power has corrupted politicians of all nationalities. Now imagine what happens to those who control continents and hemispheres.

Some of the things the Irish didn't like were things like the complete trash canning of the double indemnity law as well as many other judicial mandates. Weird environmental and agricultural laws, all in the hands of strangers. There are so many things being done and buried in the legal jargon that many don't seem to have any idea the power they are handing to someone who they don't even know.

Like I said before, agreements are fine. Bundled power packages aren't. We see how power has corrupted politicians of all nationalities. Now imagine what happens to those who control continents and hemispheres.

Apples and oranges, Rush,

We're talking about the entire enchilada, not just a social program.

Apples and oranges, Rush,

We're talking about the entire enchilada, not just a social program.

They aren't apples and oranges because you say so. They are both just gov't. Layers of gov't meddling, bureaucracy, waste, and corruption. That you happen to support x silly gov't program doesn't change that it's gov't and therefore doesn't mean it's anything more than the exact same thing. And it certainly isn't any different like apples and oranges.

And you seem to miss the concept: the whole enchilada is what skrews you. You cannot take parts out of the enchilada as if it won't screw you because it's all just gov't, lots and lots and lots and lots of gov't. And for every stupid piece that you want forced on others, there are other people who want their stupid piece forced on you. You can't have it both ways, if it's OK for you to force their crap on them, then it's OK for them to force their crap on you.

You should be thrilled.