EU protests U.S. aid for fuel producers:

Seems the US has been using our money for production of and then turning around and selling it to the EU!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/12/business/wto.php

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I saw an interesting show the other night. It was about some thermal springs in California that produce lots of clean energy. They said that dry thermal wells could be drilled about anywhere and pump water into them and get steam out for power. Was a lot more to it but they said this could be used today to supply the whole world with electricity...That show was the only time I have ever heard this mentioned, it was on the science channel.

The temperature goes up about 10 degrees F for every 1000 feet in depth, except in volcanically active areas, where it is obviously a much higher gain for depth. (Petroleum Technology 101) Normally, there are many different formations with water in them, which have to be blocked (with well casing pipe), to get down to where there is sufficient heat to actually boil water. The real issue is that as the steam comes up, from say 10,000 feet deep, the surrounding earth temperature is falling, which has a tendency to cool off anything in the well, like steam, which turns back into liquid and falls back to the bottom. The more volcanically active areas, are not so deep, and it works a lot better.

Depending on the heat depth, this is a great technology.

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EU protests U.S. aid for fuel producers:

Seems the US has been using our money for production of and then turning around and selling it to the EU!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/12/business/wto.php

Yes--

We subsidize (I think) 51 cents per gallon. I had no idea the market was that big in Europe.

Another thing to watch are the apparently unfounded fears that we are and will export oil from Alaska to Japan and China. We need to watch this as ownership changes hands from time to time due to mergers etc. This fear has been stated as a reason for objections to drilling in ANWAR--some think that this million barrel per day potential production will be exported and not help fuel prices here in the US.

DADDIO

EU protests U.S. aid for fuel producers:

Seems the US has been using our money for production of and then turning around and selling it to the EU!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/12/business/wto.php

Yes--

We subsidize (I think) 51 cents per gallon. I had no idea the market was that big in Europe.

Another thing to watch are the apparently unfounded fears that we are and will export oil from Alaska to Japan and China. We need to watch this as ownership changes hands from time to time due to mergers etc. This fear has been stated as a reason for objections to drilling in ANWAR--some think that this million barrel per day potential production will be exported and not help fuel prices here in the US.

DADDIO

Thank you, DADDIO

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From pleiadiandreams via PM @ MUFON forums

Thanks for posting the topic about "EU protests U.S. aid for fuel producers "

We can make fuel from Flowers & Plants (PPO).

It should become forbidden to make fuel from vegetables (SVO), because that results in rise of food prices.

Combine tree plantations with Pure Plant Oil Plantations.

Improtant information.

sincerely,

pleiadiandreams

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From pleiadiandreams via PM @ MUFON forums, continued:

Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) & Pure Plant Oil (PPO) shouldn't be confused, because the difference is almost hazardous. So PPO is definitely a completely different fuel type then SVO, I used to be pro PPO/SVO but SVO is hazardous for food prices.

We need deflation of Salt Water Conversion.

Then we can use fresh water from SWC as irrigation for Tree & PPO Plantations, trees deliver Oxygen which is an important building factor of restoring the Ozone Layer. PPO delivers employment oppertunities but is limited in capacity, that's why Magnetic Kinetic modules need to be attached to Solar, Wind & Hydro energy & PPO engines.

Hybrid Kinetic PPO engines.

The the car uses Magnetic Kinetic energy for slower speeds, then reverse to PPO engine for higher speeds. When you run out of fuel then at least you can drive back home on magnetic energy, you need PPO for employment oppertunities.

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PPO delivers employment opportunities but is limited in capacity, that's why Magnetic Kinetic modules need to be attached to Solar, Wind & Hydro energy & PPO engines.

Hybrid Kinetic PPO engines.

The the car uses Magnetic Kinetic energy for slower speeds, then reverse to PPO engine for higher speeds. When you run out of fuel then at least you can drive back home on magnetic energy, you need PPO for employment opportunities.

Where are there references to these Magnetic Kinetic Energy modules on what they are and how they work? I would really like to review the evidence of these statements!

I am aware of the relationships between kinetic energy (potential work or motion) and magnetic energy (electricity). Also, that one can be converted to another (generators and electric motors) with high efficiency.

But, in the context of this biofuels discussion, if there is not these reference to review, then it looks like this part of the discussion is pulling the cranks and BSers.

The main Google references I can pick up for the Hybrid Kinetic PPO engines relates to exhaust catalysis to clean the exhaust emissions of petrol (in particular) and diesel IC engines. There is no recovery of kinetic energy for use in generating new, more efficient, movement.

The other area of linked references, I can find, relates to the use of regenerative braking (generating electricity from slowing down rather than heat from friction braking) in hybrid vehicles (petrol-electrics). Recovery of some of the kinetic (motion) energy as electricity will extend the range of these vehicles, and lower fuel consumption. This is already being done as part of the specification of hybrid vehicles. The question is on efficiency of energy recovery.

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I sent her a return PM including links to the forums I have posted this to so hopefully she will send me a reply. If not I will forward this to her.

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http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561&;

Jun. 13 - Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it.

SOUNDBITE: Kiyoshi Hirasawa, CEO, Genepax.

See link above for video.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561&;

Jun. 13 - Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it.

SOUNDBITE: Kiyoshi Hirasawa, CEO, Genepax.

See link above for video.

Also: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=47642

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561&;

Jun. 13 - Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it.

SOUNDBITE: Kiyoshi Hirasawa, CEO, Genepax.

See link above for video.

Also: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=47642

This looks interesting, but there must be an alternative energy input somewhere that allows high efficiency electrolysis so the engine can run.

As the water powered car comes to our attention via Reuters it has more credibility then the usual claim origin.

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I have to give credit to the person who notified me:

Thanks Micke!!!

http://www.exoticworldart.com/ufodbase/index.php?topic=5147

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let's not start the nonsense that cars run on water all over again. The primary source of these cars propulsion energy is either electricity or some other form of energy to disassociate water into hydrogen and oxygen. you always get back less energy than what you started with in the first place. It would be more efficient energy -wise to use the electricity directly into an electric motor. The possible drawback to this is hauling around a heavy battery that has limited storage capacity.

A fuel cell is more efficient than an internal combustion engine but requires a source of hydrogen which is also difficult to store. the energy to produce this hydrogen has to come from some other source.

valid things to think about in this vein are.

Hybrid cars
Electric cars
Electric cars with a small turbo diesel to charge the battery when the electric range is exceeded.
Can we fix hydrogen economically into liquid form to burn in an internal combustion engine? --Hydrogen Peroxide ?? ---can be very caustic

Off topic but a better longer range solution than using the world's grain to burn as motor fuel. the US exports 70 % of the total exported grain in the world.. right now with the floods in the mid west and Ethanol production corn is around $7.50 per bushel.

We can consume less eggs, meat and milk here in the United States, but the world's poor will starve at these prices.

I claim nothing,

I simply posted a link with some data from that link. You may question them. The title of this thread is the title of the Reuter's article.

;)

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http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561&;

Jun. 13 - Japanese company Genepax presents its eco-friendly car that runs on nothing but water.

The car has an energy generator that extracts hydrogen from water that is poured into the car's tank. The generator then releases electrons that produce electric power to run the car. Genepax, the company that invented the technology, aims to collaborate with Japanese manufacturers to mass produce it.

SOUNDBITE: Kiyoshi Hirasawa, CEO, Genepax.

See link above for video.

Also: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=47642

This looks interesting, but there must be an alternative energy input somewhere that allows high efficiency electrolysis so the engine can run.

As the water powered car comes to our attention via Reuters it has more credibility then the usual claim origin.

I have seen the video and : ---Pure rubbish if not outright deception.

PS where can I buy their stock ??

You claim all that from a one minute video?

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You claim all that from a one minute video?

if I saw a video stating the Earth was flat I would have the same sudden reaction.

If your going to comment, why not review the material?

There is text on that linked page as well as appended to this thread.


The world is flat and at the center of the universe.

:D

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I also saw the video, and my reaction was similar to William's, but not so strongly flat.

My argument is based o -

The report emanated from Reuters (with a reputation to loose if reporting loony claims). Also, the reported technology came from an established Japanese company (or so it seems). Japanese companies are not renown for making false claims.

My reaction was to state this was interesting, but I thought it was probably false. However, I did think, and my statement implied it, that it would be useful for us to wait to see when the energy source was identified. At that point the claim can be tested and proved or disproved.

I did not have the evidence, nor sources, to refute the Reuters claim. But, at least I gave the system some leeway to see if it could be proved. Not just an out and out flat statement, as given by William.

I would content that he is probably right, but let us wait and see if this comes to anything. Similarly for the Browns Gas/HHO kits claims.

It is interesting to see how far off the topic of biofuels and their impact on the economy this part of the discussion has become, and I am contributing!

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I also saw the video, and my reaction was similar to William's, but not so strongly flat.
The report emanated from Reuters (with a reputation to loose if reporting loony claims). Also, the reported technology came from an established Japanese company (or so it seems). Japanese companies are not renown for making false claims.


It is interesting to see how far off the topic of biofuels and their impact on the economy this part of the discussion has become, and I am contributing!

write genepax in google search box, and you got more information, that still doesn´t prove anything but still it´s interesting what impact this would do to world economy and bio-fuel market.

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