http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=home&context=overview&id=945

This is a link to The Center For Public Integrity.

This report outlines that in the two years leading up to the Iraq invasion, the Republican administration lied about weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi links to Al-Qaeda 935 times.

Yet many still believe these same people when they now make similar claims about Iran.

I wonder how any nation would react when hearing the American president speak of invading them? Especially after the rhetoric leading up to the actual invasion of Iraq.

Would they be justified in attempting a pre-emptive strike of their own?

Would such a pre-emptive strike, in the face of Bush's actions these past years, be considered by the world to be an act of terror or an act of self defense?

George Bush and Dick Cheney have made this world a whole lot more dangerous by unleashing the Military Industrial Complex and allowing it to begin a feeding frenzy of profit.

If ever a president and VP deserved to be impeached it would be Bush & Cheney. Clinton made ONE lie and he was impeached.

The Democrates have no backbone otherwise they would impeach. Just more proof that there is one true party in the good ole US of A.

Just a side note. I remember when Bush first came into office with a strong economy. He talked bad about the economy so he could pass his tax breaks for the rich. Now he leaves office with an economy on the verge of collapse. Now he is trying to talk up the economy. I don't think he has "capital" left. No one believes a word that guy says. I will be so glad when he leaves office. Bad thing is, any replacement might be no better. They will surely come into office with a huge mess left by the Bush Admin.

After Bush presented those who don't need any more money tens of billions of dollars in "much needed" tax relief, under the pretext that further enriching these lifeforms will help everyone, he wants to ensure his place in history by making sure every American has a whole $300 to kick start the economy.

Do you know what he is saying to the American people with this $300?

"Here's something shiny to play with, now f@#& off, shut up and go play in the corner"

After Bush presented those who don't need any more money tens of billions of dollars in "much needed" tax relief, under the pretext that further enriching these lifeforms will help everyone, he wants to ensure his place in history by making sure every American has a whole $300 to kick start the economy.

Do you know what he is saying to the American people with this $300?

"Here's something shiny to play with, now f@#& off, shut up and go play in the corner"

Damn.............shut down the war in Iraq and the billions in spending there, and you would have billions to shunt into our economy.....and appease the Muslims too.

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Wouldn't some new bridges be nice to replace the crumbling and collapsing ones?

How about refitting the water distribution systems in cities?

Why not fix or better yet, build new schools?

Instead of spending all that money on things that go BOOM once, try spending it on things that will make American's lives better for generations to come.

You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.

You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.

And just what is your comment on the billions being spent to impose our ideals on Iraq?

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.

A true Jedi would not be seduced by the dark side.

You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.

A true Jedi would not be seduced by the dark side.

I am sorry, but I do not see anything but the 'dark side' in the candidates for our next president...it's all downhill from here.

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.

A true Jedi would not be seduced by the dark side.

So your "reasoned" response to my argument is that I am not a "true Jedi" and I've been "seduced by the dark side"? Your comment adds nothing to the discussion, except to show that you are apparently incapable of rational discussion. Notice that I did not call you names or impugn your integrity.

You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.

And just what is your comment on the billions being spent to impose our ideals on Iraq?

I have made those comments in other threads, but this thread--supposedly set up to discuss (Bush's) lies--is not the place to discuss this, unless you think that there is some kind of "lie" being told.

You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.

And just what is your comment on the billions being spent to impose our ideals on Iraq?

I have made those comments in other threads, but this thread--supposedly set up to discuss (Bush's) lies--is not the place to discuss this, unless you think that there is some kind of "lie" being told.

All politicians lie......it's what keeps them in the money.
And I was a 'dyed in the wool' republican until this second Bush term and the sad state of his handling of our relations with the rest of the world community.
And oddly enough, his defense of 'our oil' has not resulted in the cost of same going down, as evidenced by the recent spike in crude prices.......so what has it gained us, other than padding his cohorts' pockets with cash, and hardening much of the world's resentment against us?

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

All politicians lie......it's what keeps them in the money.
And I was a 'dyed in the wool' republican until this second Bush term and the sad state of his handling of our relations with the rest of the world community.
And oddly enough, his defense of 'our oil' has not resulted in the cost of same going down, as evidenced by the recent spike in crude prices.......so what has it gained us, other than padding his cohorts' pockets with cash, and hardening much of the world's resentment against us?

Well, there's a lie worthy of discussion: that we invaded Iraq to steal their oil. Not only have we not stolen their oil, but we are paying the highest prices ever for the stuff. The US has not gotten any free oil from Iraq, nor sweetheart deals or any advantage in oil prices from our liberation of Iraq. But you might examine the underlying reasons that "the world community" has complained about our actions in Iraq; I'm sure you will uncover some lies being told there.

All politicians lie......it's what keeps them in the money.
And I was a 'dyed in the wool' republican until this second Bush term and the sad state of his handling of our relations with the rest of the world community.
And oddly enough, his defense of 'our oil' has not resulted in the cost of same going down, as evidenced by the recent spike in crude prices.......so what has it gained us, other than padding his cohorts' pockets with cash, and hardening much of the world's resentment against us?

Well, there's a lie worthy of discussion: that we invaded Iraq to steal their oil. Not only have we not stolen their oil, but we are paying the highest prices ever for the stuff. The US has not gotten any free oil from Iraq, nor sweetheart deals or any advantage in oil prices from our liberation of Iraq. But you might examine the underlying reasons that "the world community" has complained about our actions in Iraq; I'm sure you will uncover some lies being told there.

So what do you really think?
If we had kept our nose out of the Muslim's world would they still have attacked us?
And would that have made all of our problems go away?

I am not trying to be argumentative.....I just want to know if you really feel that 911 would not have happened if our leaders had paid more attention and money to what is happening here........
It makes me rather sad to think about what might have been done domestically with all of the money (and lives) that have been spent in Irag.....

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

First we have Enron. Bush sidestepped that one.
The sub-prime meltdown will probably go down as one
of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the World.
If he didn't know about that, well he should have.
The war in Iraq will probably go down as one of the biggest
disasters in American foreign policy.

All on Bush's watch.

Let's face it Qui-Gon you're an apologist for a failed
presidency.

One would like to believe that the choice of ones Avatar
actually means something.
Misfit, Beethoven, and other obviously want to be perceived
as something they're not. Your Avatar suggests that you're
concerned with truth, justice, fair play, and yet you support
a habitual liar. I suggest that you are trying to portray
yourself as being something you're not, open to the truth.
A victim of lies.

Easy now......Qui Gon usually lives up to his avatar's image.
He is generally the personage of level headed thinking and reason.

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Easy now... Qui Gon usually...........
............ generally ......

Does that mean you sort of agree with me?

It means that I am defending Qui Gon...while I may disagree with his defense of the current administration........

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Easy now... Qui Gon usually...........
............ generally ......

Does that mean you sort of agree with me?

It means that I am defending Qui Gon...while I may disagree with his defense of the current administration........

I agree.
I've always thought that Bush was getting
more leeway than he deserved. Especially
from people I thought should know better.

Joke.

How do you make God Laugh?
...
...
Tell him your plans.



:o}

The best laid plans of mice and men.......

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

The state that you live in regulates loans made there, not the federal goverment. the sub-prime lenders do business according to the rules that regulate them state by state. ever see the small print "Loan not available in this state or that state" on the TV commercials?

So if you are really mad about the sub-prime mess contact your local state senator/rep and govenor.

doesn't anybody study civics in high school anymore? the president of the US does not make any law. Only the congress can do that. the president can ask someone to sponsor a bill, but congress has to approve it in both houses before it can be sent up for his signature/veto.

the president doesn't have any money to spend until congress gives it to him.

he is not a king, or a dictator, and he is voted in/out every four years.

---

Man - a creature made at the end of the week's work when God was tired. - Mark Twain

The state that you live in regulates loans made there, not the federal goverment. the sub-prime lenders do business according to the rules that regulate them state by state. ever see the small print "Loan not available in this state or that state" on the TV commercials?

So if you are really mad about the sub-prime mess contact your local state senator/rep and govenor.

doesn't anybody study civics in high school anymore? the president of the US does not make any law. Only the congress can do that. the president can ask someone to sponsor a bill, but congress has to approve it in both houses before it can be sent up for his signature/veto.

the president doesn't have any money to spend until congress gives it to him.

he is not a king, or a dictator, and he is voted in/out every four years.

I agree with you Mr. Haley. I have been called an apologist for a failed president, but this comes from someone whose big complaint about the president is that Enron and the sub-prime mess came on this President's watch. This implies that the president is somehow responsible for everything (bad) that has happened in the last seven years: (did your grandmother die? it's Bush's fault. did you fall on some ice? it's Bush's fault.) There is no way to rationally discuss issues with such people because they confuse what has happened with the reasons for it happening.

Then, since they have no real argument to make, they attack the person instead, or in this case, my choice of avatar.

the president of the US does not make any law. [snip]
the president doesn't have any money to spend until congress gives it to him.
he is not a king, or a dictator, and he is voted in/out every four years.

The president is a puppet? ;)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .