<p>EEENT! My encoding is set to Auto Select - Western European (Windows) and I'm seeing exactly the same thing Richard is.</p><p>Really?? Even message 31593???</p>

<p>I just had a PC-using friend pass me a screenshot of what he's seeing</p><p>I will correct these errors now</p>

> <p>I just had a PC-using friend pass me a screenshot of what he's
> seeing</p><p>I will correct these errors now</p>
>

Thank you. This message seems OK.

Whatever it was your latest post 31634 looks good now.

Thread 5015 explains it.

> Whatever it was your latest post 31634 looks good now.
>
> Thread <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=5015">5015[/url]
> explains it.
>
Would you believe I have a response to that thread opened in another window right now. Just looking for a reference...

Can we please get back to discussing how stupid Bush is? ;-)
Any debate notes? It was too late (well early in the morning) here for me to watch, I hear it was a lot like the '00 debates in that Kerry appeared to be far better. But I imagine the corporate media will now spin him as "too intellectual" as they did Gore and Bush's stumbling & fumbling & bumbling will be spun as "a populist man of the people."

I watched "Question Time" here and it seems everyone in the UK is hoping Kerry wins! It was funny watching the Labour & Tory reps squirming as they try to say "we'll happily work with whomever the Americans elect" etc.

well I'm just a "Yank" over here at Oxford, but my impression from meeting a variety of people between Oxford & London (and observing the media) is everybody in Britain who isn't brain-damaged cannot stand the Bush regime. It's only the lackeys in power that have to keep a straight face and act "supportive" of the Bush klan in public. I'm sure that behind closed doors they are kicking themselves for being taken in by the lies & deceipt of the Republican regime and getting mired in the quagmire of Iraq.

Now any right-wingers --- don't imply that "Brits hate America" --- a poll recently showed that something like 65% don't like Bush but that same number liked America; so it's really only the obvious problems with this Korrupt Kompassionate Konservative regime.

I have watched the debate last night and I am very happy with Kerry's
performance. What America needs now is a man who can bring back allies
and respect. Bush did nothing but "insults" his strongest allies and
being very arrogant over internationnal policies. America will face
rough time ahead and will need allies and world respect. This will
never happen with Bush in power. The French like americans but really
did not appreciate the "either you are with us or against us" the
"old Europe" and the "Freedom fries" just to mention a few. What they
did wrong ? They just disaprove invasion of Irak for obvious reasons
that we can see today. Bush as created a huge Mess and America is far
from being safer today then it was 3 years ago. Irak has never been a
threat to America before, but now it is...The US need an intelligent
man in power that can put the country back on the right course. I can't
vote, but if I could I would vote for Kerry and remove that "dictator"
who's not working for Americans but for his own interrests.

One last thing, the hole world hates Bush and nobody would understand
why americans vote for this guy again. For now the anti american feeling
is toward Bush, but it could become toward american and it's the last thing
america needs right now. People would think, well finally americans are
aproving his arrongancies and disrespect of the world so they would stop
doing the difference between Bush and its citizens.

You guys think very carrefully about that when you go to vote.

That is just like you guys say all the time, my two cents....

Regards
Marc

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I'm not sure if this is 100% accurate, but I've heard that the viewership for this debate is higher than in '00, and that more people who can't vote watched/heard the debate than in '00. Anyone work for Nielsen?

I'm very glad the Kerry took Bush to task on the Sudan and P.D.R. Korea, though. It's about time we (read: US) did right by the world. I'm a little bit annoyed, though, that economics and finances weren't discussed - Maybe next debate. That should give enough time for W to find the Sudan and Korea on a map...

> This is a thread where we can all opine on topics of a local/national/world
> political nature. Since this is one thread and since there isnt a Political
> Forum many topics are welcome. Everyone is encouraged to participate!
>
>
> Here's one that will get things heated up really quick!
> Note to the world population: the US citizenry has NOTHING to do with this.
> Blame the government, not the people.
>
> <a> href="http://news.ft.com/cms/s/eed88be8-0741-11d9-9672-00000e2511c8.html">US
> debates military strikes on 'nuclear Iran'[/url]
>
> [url=http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/documents/dswmedia/3duniverse.html]
>

> > Here's one that will get things heated up really quick!
> > Note to the world population: the US citizenry has NOTHING to do with
> this.
> > Blame the government, not the people.
>
> It is only a debate and I think an unnecessary one. Israel has made it
> abundantly clear they will not tolerate Iran, Syria, etc. having nuclear
> weapons and if they think Iran is close, they will destroy the reactor - as
> they did in Syria.
>
> Hopefully, the debate will also include a what-if scenario on the consequences
> of an Israeli strike.
>
> Rumour often has it, in the world media, that U.S. pressure several years ago
> stopped a planned Israeli strike against Iran. Whether that is true...
>
> -H. Richard Utzig

A small correction Richard. The nuclear reactor that Israel destroyed wat the Ossiriaq plant in Iraq.
>
>

I'm afraid that in this country the people are the government.

Of the People, By the People, For the People, of which Most of the People take their power -- voice, vote, petition, and dissention -- for granted.

So vote honest and vote often, the country you save may be your own.

Did you mean "Vote early, and vote often"? Anyway, I always found it ironic that we're supposed to bring Democracy to Kabul and Baghdad, and yet we have Florida to thank for showing our inability to deliver it [Democracy].

Maybe people haven't figured out how to vote. It's a possibility when you start to think about it: Between the butterfly ballot, the touch-screen ballot, and the lever-pulling ballot, everyone stopped thinking "Does my vote count?" and started thinking "My vote won't be counted."

Pen: 25 cents.
Paper: Free.
Put an X in a box: Minimal effort.

Proving that you're part of the process,
even if you're not part of the majority: Priceless.

There are some things money can't buy -
For everything else, there's the Senate. :)

> Did you mean "Vote early, and vote often"? Anyway, I always found it ironic
> that we're supposed to bring Democracy to Kabul and Baghdad, and yet we have
> Florida to thank for showing our inability to deliver it [Democracy]. Maybe people haven't figured out how to vote.
More appropriately we have all the "Mr. Magoo" type retirees who cant figure out a voting ballot to thank.

> It's a possibility when you
> start to think about it: Between the butterfly ballot, the touch-screen
> ballot, and the lever-pulling ballot, everyone stopped thinking "Does my vote
> count?" and started thinking "My vote won't be counted."
From a technical standpoint as long as we have the Electoral College every vote isnt counted. The electoral votes should either be split and accurately reflect the State's popular vote, or be done away with entirely and have the total popular vote decide.

>isnt counted. The electoral votes should either be split and accurately reflect
>the State's popular vote, or be done away with entirely and have the total
>popular vote decide.

Well heavens-to-murgatroyd --- that would actually require the US to be a "democracy" then and not a "republic!" :-)

Now why isn't the hue-and-cry usually "WE MUST BRING THE REPUBLIC TO IRAQ/CHINA/CUBA/etc?" I mean, the US insists on bringing a system that it actually doesn't use! :-)

>I'm afraid that in this country the people are the government.
>Not only those who excersize their right (in my opinion their duty,) to vote, but equally those who for whatever reason refuse to vote.
>So vote honest and vote often, the country you save may be your own.
I vote in every local/state/national election. Since actions speak louder than words IMO those who dont vote dont have a right to complain.

> >isnt counted. The electoral votes should either be split and accurately
> reflect
> >the State's popular vote, or be done away with entirely and have the total
>
> >popular vote decide.
>
> Well heavens-to-murgatroyd --- that would actually require the US to be a
> "democracy" then and not a "republic!" :-)
>
> Now why isn't the hue-and-cry usually "WE MUST BRING THE REPUBLIC TO
> IRAQ/CHINA/CUBA/etc?" I mean, the US insists on bringing a system that it
> actually doesn't use! :-)
>
>
>
Easy. Its cuz they know its grossly outdated. But neither side here wants to do away with it out of fear they would lose some kind of advantage. Had Al Gore won Florida we wouldve had a president who lost the popular vote. Maybe that wouldve been the catalyst to finally change this antiquated system.

"WE MUST BRING THE REPUBLIC TO IRAQ/CHINA/CUBA/etc?"

No good: Sounds too much like "The Mountain can come to Mohammed". Bad for publicity.

> do away with it out of fear they would lose some kind of advantage. Had Al
> Gore won Florida we wouldve had a president who lost the popular vote. Maybe
> that wouldve been the catalyst to finally change this antiquated system.

Errr, that's incorrect, Al Gore DID win the popular vote by 500K. What we got was a selected chimp who had better lawyers (i.e. Baker, from all that work defending the Saudi Royal family I guess).

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html