Some of us just choose to stay out of it.

But you're already in it. You chose .

I'm not in anything.

You stated that you were

not really shocked that no other posters, being mostly liberals and other sundry riff raff that sympathizes with the anti-american crowd have -not called you on your blatant dishonest and outright lies.

I simply told you why some others ( including myself ) don't post.

That does not mean that I am a liberal...nor that I am " riff raff "...anti American....or any of the other things you said.

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No one in their right mind wants competition in healthcare.

What has market competion got for you this past year?

Malimine in pet food killing Rover and Whiskers, lead paint on children's toys causing brain damage to babies and lead in the toothpaste you stick in your piehole everyday.

Life is too important to leave to the markets. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

I don't want a surgeon who saves a buck by sterilizing instruments with dish soap.

The problems in Canada's healthcare system are driven by the big health suppliers in the states lobbying our politicians to open the doors to private healthcare.
The federal government has reduced the percentage of health dollars paid to the provinces by approx 30% in the past decade to drive down the levels of care and make the public more accepting of the lies from the healthcare industry.

The problem isn't the system, the problem is the capitalist pigs looking to line their overfilled pockets with yet more, with a lot of help from their dupes.

Give your heads a shake.

No one in their right mind wants competition in healthcare.

What has market competion got for you this past year?

Malimine in pet food killing Rover and Whiskers, lead paint on children's toys causing brain damage to babies and lead in the toothpaste you stick in your piehole everyday.

Life is too important to leave to the markets. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

I don't want a surgeon who saves a buck by sterilizing instruments with dish soap.

The problems in Canada's healthcare system are driven by the big health suppliers in the states lobbying our politicians to open the doors to private healthcare.
The federal government has reduced the percentage of health dollars paid to the provinces by approx 30% in the past decade to drive down the levels of care and make the public more accepting of the lies from the healthcare industry.

The problem isn't the system, the problem is the capitalist pigs looking to line their overfilled pockets with yet more, with a lot of help from their dupes.

Give your heads a shake.

LOL !!! The only reason your sick and disastrous canadian healthScare system cannot be perfect is because that in the south the united states is only halfway socialized! LOL..

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. . . You have resorted to rubbish! ;)

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No one in their right mind wants competition in healthcare.

Yes, yes they do, because it drives costs down. That is the only reason you (nearly anyone) can afford the computer you type this on and the leisure time to do so.

What has market competion got for you this past year?

It continues to drive the costs of nearly anything, down to the lowest possible price. It has reduced the price of your mobile phone, memory, processing costs and nearly every single thing you can imagine.

Malimine in pet food killing Rover and Whiskers, lead paint on children's toys causing brain damage to babies and lead in the toothpaste you stick in your piehole everyday.

Notice that these examples your chose happened in a true communist/socialist system? Why? Because they have nothing to do with competition--it's just called fraud. And fraud occurs in the market, it occurs in highly regulated markets (which are still just markets, the cost of regulation just drives costs much higher), it occurs in laissez-faire markets. In short, it occurs EVERYWHERE, regardless of the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved. Why? Because costs are always costs, no matter the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved, and there is always an incentive lower costs because higher costs are just wasted resources. Competition didn't cause the examples you chose, gross disregard for human life and fraud did.

Life is too important to leave to the markets. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

I'm not having trouble noting that you keep repeating yourself without any reasoning, analysis, or commentary at all. I am having trouble understanding how you even manage to post, utterly without thought or reason.

Here's an easy one: Why do your posts show up? Because you push the OK button after typing something mindless. Mindless would be something like "get rid of the problem and the problem goes away," or "drain the bathtub and the water goes away," or "it's OK for me to the lobby the gov't for what I want, but it isn't OK for others to do the same thing."

That you say that's true, even over and over and over and over again doesn't mean that it's true because you sez so. Life is so important that the market must be brought to bear, so that the health care that your precious workers need is CHEAPER than the personal electronics and staples they buy every day. Why would it be cheaper? Because 99% of the stuff is far less complex and has far cheaper form factors than mobile phones, computers, and similar consumer items. Band-aids, syringes, needles, gauze, vats of medicine are not just cheaper, but likely orders of magnitude cheaper than TV's, cable boxes, mobile phones and computers, yet the poor in the U.S. and Canada can often get them free with a service plan.

I don't want a surgeon who saves a buck by sterilizing instruments with dish soap.

You don't want the type of person who would do that to you doing much for you, be it union labor, your maid, the person who teaches your kids. Why? Because as noted above, that's just fraud and disregard. That has nothing to do with competition, or gov't, or the market, or the law, people just do that crap if they want to. What you do want is corporations driving the costs of sterilizers and their chemicals down as low as possible, just like they do with mobile phones.

The problems in Canada's healthcare system are driven by the big health suppliers in the states lobbying our politicians to open the doors to private healthcare.

Why, because you sez so? What, exactly, does lobbying have to do with anything. If they don't listen, lobbying has zero to do with it. But again, you love and embrace this system because if you want the right to lobby your gov't to get what you want from the public trough, then they have the right to lobby your gov't for what they want. That's the nature of the system, you just disagree on what to spend the stealings on.

The federal government has reduced the percentage of health dollars paid to the provinces by approx 30% in the past decade to drive down the levels of care and make the public more accepting of the lies from the healthcare industry.

Yep, and they always will because the costs in your system are endlessly driven up because there is no competition, there is one buyer that has no choice, and regulation costs are high.

What happens if the U.S. gov't relents and allows U.S. citizens to re-import drugs? The costs of the Canadian and U.K. health care systems skyrockets again as sellers bring their prices back in line.

The problem isn't the system, the problem is the capitalist pigs looking to line their overfilled pockets with yet more, with a lot of help from their dupes.

Give your heads a shake.

And the only reason these people can line their pockets at your expense? Because the gov't took choice away from you and added force instead. The gov't forces you to line their pockets, and you seem perfectly OK using the gov't to force others to line your pockets, so why is this any different. You think gov't should line your pockets, they think gov't should line their pockets. You both embrace the system, so once again, you should be thrilled.

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Remove the obvious...

It continues to drive the costs of nearly anything, down to the lowest possible price.

I guess you haven't bought too many batteries lately... You know, those same little Duracell coppertops and Energizer bunnies that have been around forever... We used to get a six pack for a buck, now they're a buck a pop... ;)

(But don't let the facts get in the way of the mass delusions.)

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Jeffrey's 'arguments have now been reduced to the price of flashlight batteries now

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[quote]
Notice that these examples your chose happened in a true communist/socialist system? Why? Because they have nothing to do with competition--it's just called fraud. And fraud occurs in the market, it occurs in highly regulated markets (which are still just markets, the cost of regulation just drives costs much higher), it occurs in laissez-faire markets. In short, it occurs EVERYWHERE, regardless of the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved. Why? Because costs are always costs, no matter the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved, and there is always an incentive lower costs because higher costs are just wasted resources. Competition didn't cause the examples you chose, gross disregard for human life and fraud did.
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You are way out there when you claim market competition has nothing do with poisons in pet food, children's toys and toothpaste.

China is a perfect example of market driven economics. They have a ruling class that has decided to maintain control over industry for their own sake, not for the betterment of the citizens.
They have a system which forces people into economic slavery due to the total control of industry.

China has opened it's doors to the west's desire for cheap goods and allowed it's people to work in conditions that are attrocious.
All in the name of gaining market share.

It is your precious market that creates hellholes like this.

Greed has no political affiliations.

Report: Saudi king pardons rape victim
Saudi King Abdullah has pardoned a rape victim sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in prison in a case that sparked international attention, a Saudi newspaper reported. A Saudi court ruled the 19-year-old had an "illegitimate relationship" with a man who was not her husband, and that the rape occurred after she and the man were discovered in a "compromising situation."

Finally but when will they just repeal these silly laws?

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[quote]
Notice that these examples your chose happened in a true communist/socialist system? Why? Because they have nothing to do with competition--it's just called fraud. And fraud occurs in the market, it occurs in highly regulated markets (which are still just markets, the cost of regulation just drives costs much higher), it occurs in laissez-faire markets. In short, it occurs EVERYWHERE, regardless of the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved. Why? Because costs are always costs, no matter the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved, and there is always an incentive lower costs because higher costs are just wasted resources. Competition didn't cause the examples you chose, gross disregard for human life and fraud did.
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[quote]China is a perfect example of market driven economics. They have a ruling class that has decided to maintain control over industry for their own sake, not for the betterment of the citizens.
They have a system which forces people into economic slavery due to the total control of industry.

I'd laugh at this silly comment if I wasn't crying. Reread your statement. It's a self contradiction. 'market driven economics....control OVER industry...economic slavery'. Geeeez.

China has opened it's doors to the west's desire for cheap goods and allowed it's people to work in conditions that are attrocious.
All in the name of gaining market share.

Atrocious compared to what? People there have doubled, tripled, or quadrupled their real incomes and now enjoy a standard of living undreamnt of before in their country. You have lost all touch with reality.

It is your precious market that creates hellholes like this.

Greed has no political affiliations.

Only the somewhat NEW free market reforms that this communist country has taken have allowed these 'hellholes' to be non-hellholes. See my point above. Any poverty and 'atrocious conditions' China still has is something that it's limited capitalist economy has INHERITED...not created.

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I love snow storms....

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I love snow storms....

It never rains in southern California...
It never snows in central Gehenna... ;)

(Location, location, location.)

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I love snow storms....

It never rains in southern California...
It never snows in central Gehenna... ;)

(Location, location, location.)

Got baby bombs in your home town?

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You are way out there when you claim market competition has nothing do with poisons in pet food, children's toys and toothpaste.

That certainly isn't true because you sez so. My claim is simple: poisons in pet food, children's toys and toothpaste are a result of fraud and abject disregard for human life. The type of person that would do that to others will do and has done such things regardless of the political or economic system they live under. The free market doesn't cause fraud, people who initiate fraud or force on others do.

China is a perfect example of market driven economics. They have a ruling class that has decided to maintain control over industry for their own sake, not for the betterment of the citizens.

What?? The gov't in your so-called workers paradise has no interest in the betterment of its citizens??? Shocking. And yet you want to hand gov'ts MORE power, taking it away from its citizens. Smart plan.

They have a system which forces people into economic slavery due to the total control of industry.

More stupid, empty unthinking rhetoric. One paragraph above you say China is "a perfect example of market driven economics," and here you say the gov't has "total control of industry." Those are diametrically opposed, it cannot be both things at the same time. A chair cannot be a chair and a non-chair at the same time.

China has opened it's doors to the west's desire for cheap goods and allowed it's people to work in conditions that are attrocious.
All in the name of gaining market share.

It is your precious market that creates hellholes like this.

Well, then what are you waiting for? Get everyone who thinks as you do to open up some factories over there and pay them whatever the hell you wish. I mean, paying U.S. union scale has worked out so well that American union membership has declined to record lows--I'm sure if you drive costs for Chinese labor through the roof you could *really* help those people...

But you won't. You seem to think that other people owe those workers what you aren't willing to provide for said workers. Odd that, because if you can understand why you can't or won't provide for them, you can understand why others won't do it either.

Greed has no political affiliations.

Yep, and it has nothing to do with the market, the gov't, the political system, or the economic system. It happens because it's a part of the human condition. Since that's true, giving gov'ts more power while simultaneously removing it from the people is just stupid, stupid, stupid.

My suggestion for right now when you read this: just repeat your empty position again. I'm sure that this time it will convince others for sure.

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Remove the obvious...

giving gov'ts more power while simultaneously removing it from the people is just stupid, stupid, stupid.

giving corporate america more power while simultaneously removing it from the people is just stupid, stupid, stupid. too! ;)

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giving gov'ts more power while simultaneously removing it from the people is just stupid, stupid, stupid.

giving corporate america more power while simultaneously removing it from the people is just stupid, stupid, stupid. too! ;)

What does that mean? This 'corporate america' type comment...


You are a self described 'heckler'. What do you mean though..? You keep on with the silly anti corporate america comments but never really state a position.

Whacha talkin bout, willis?

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