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Message 639080 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 23:29:52 UTC

Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water:

ERIE, Pa. - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

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Message 639136 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 0:51:15 UTC - in response to Message 639080.

Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water:

ERIE, Pa. - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570


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Message 639137 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 0:52:41 UTC - in response to Message 639136.
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Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water:

ERIE, Pa. - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570


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The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."

Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.

The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen — which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit — would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.

"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."

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Information from: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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Message 639189 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 3:00:43 UTC - in response to Message 639136.

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Technically it's not the water that's burning. It's the hydrogen separated from the water that is burning.
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Message 639206 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 3:31:46 UTC

This was the name of the article on Yahoo's homepage a few hours ago,

I thought it was interesting but apparently people seem to think I'm selling something. I'm not. I swear.

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Message 639442 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 14:05:48 UTC - in response to Message 639080.

Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water:

ERIE, Pa. - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570


A number of culinary-challenged people have been burning water since the invention of fire.
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Message 639574 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 18:50:12 UTC

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Message 639652 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 20:01:44 UTC

Actually I think he is breaking the bonds between the Sodium and the Chloride that make up the NaCl in the salt water. Guess what happens when you expose Sodium to water. It burns rather vigorously.

What I want to know is does the amount of energy put out by the burning salt water exceed the amount of radio energy he is putting in?
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Message 639658 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 20:05:38 UTC

That is the $1,000,000,000,000,000 dollar question.
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Message 639673 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 20:14:12 UTC - in response to Message 639137.



The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."



Element Approximate % by weight
Oxygen 46.6
Silicon 27.7
Aluminum 8.1
Iron 5.0
Calcium 3.6
Sodium 2.8
Potassium 2.6
Magnesium 2.1
All others 1.5

Note that water is not listed as an element.
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Message 639756 - Posted: 12 Sep 2007, 21:22:33 UTC

Glad I didn't write the article!
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Message 639931 - Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 0:56:39 UTC

And thier really excited aBOUT IT TOO !

OK LETS JUST PUT A TIGER IN THE TANK AND GO. :)
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Message 640030 - Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 3:25:27 UTC - in response to Message 639673.

Note that water is not listed as an element.

I just figured he was talking about Hydrogen.
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Message 640054 - Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 3:48:54 UTC - in response to Message 639931.

And thier really excited aBOUT IT TOO !

OK LETS JUST PUT A TIGER IN THE TANK AND GO. :)


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Message 640245 - Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 13:39:19 UTC - in response to Message 640030.

Note that water is not listed as an element.

I just figured he was talking about Hydrogen.


If he was, Hydrogen is in the 1.5% all others. Hardly the most abundant element on the planet.
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Message 640248 - Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 13:41:40 UTC - in response to Message 639756.

Glad I didn't write the article!


I think you're too smart to write an article like that. I have a feeling that scientists across the nation are trying to replicate the experiment as we speak ala 'cold fusion'. Any bets on what the results will be?
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Message 640249 - Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 13:42:07 UTC - in response to Message 640054.

And thier really excited aBOUT IT TOO !

OK LETS JUST PUT A TIGER IN THE TANK AND GO. :)


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KND Tech! I love it!
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Message 640965 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 6:54:00 UTC

Let's go fellows--we are all a little more hip than this. Water is H2O and contains Hydrogen. Free Hydrogen is very explosive and makes a good fuel. Water can be disassociated into Oxygen and Hydrogen. It takes more energy to do this than you get back by burning the two products. This is the 2nd law of thermodynamics at work.

What is not mentioned is that the energy to split up the sea water comes from the microwaves that he uses to bombard the water. Microwaves at the X-band frequencies are good at heating up water very quickly. That is how your microwave oven works.

This was discovered by the Air force when they tried to use X-Band Radar (say around 10 to 11 Gigahertz or 3 cm wavelength) The radar wouldn't work since this frequency range turned out to be absorbed by water vapor. There is abundant water vapor in the air. At least this provided a bunch of X-band klystrons for us reasearchers to experiment with microwaves at a reasonable price.

Thats the physics lesson for today--thank you all and good night.

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Message 640974 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 7:12:52 UTC - in response to Message 640965.
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Let's go fellows--we are all a little more hip than this. Water is H2O and contains Hydrogen. Free Hydrogen is very explosive and makes a good fuel. Water can be disassociated into Oxygen and Hydrogen. It takes more energy to do this than you get back by burning the two products. This is the 2nd law of thermodynamics at work.

What is not mentioned is that the energy to split up the sea water comes from the microwaves that he uses to bombard the water. Microwaves at the X-band frequencies are good at heating up water very quickly. That is how your microwave oven works.

This was discovered by the Air force when they tried to use X-Band Radar (say around 10 to 11 Gigahertz or 3 cm wavelength) The radar wouldn't work since this frequency range turned out to be absorbed by water vapor. There is abundant water vapor in the air. At least this provided a bunch of X-band klystrons for us reasearchers to experiment with microwaves at a reasonable price.

Thats the physics lesson for today--thank you all and good night.

Daddio


How much energy is used to transport a barrel of crude and then to process it into gasoline? More or less than the energy of a microwave process? And what of the emissions of the processing itself?

And sea water - is it more or less abundant, and more or less of a reason to go to war over than oil?

And how does the comparison of emissions of spent gas compare to that of hydrogen?

Are you confusing this thread with the free energy thread that to my knowledge doesn't exist in these seti forums?


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Message 640979 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 7:22:11 UTC - in response to Message 640974.

Let's go fellows--we are all a little more hip than this. Water is H2O and contains Hydrogen. Free Hydrogen is very explosive and makes a good fuel. Water can be disassociated into Oxygen and Hydrogen. It takes more energy to do this than you get back by burning the two products. This is the 2nd law of thermodynamics at work.

What is not mentioned is that the energy to split up the sea water comes from the microwaves that he uses to bombard the water. Microwaves at the X-band frequencies are good at heating up water very quickly. That is how your microwave oven works.

This was discovered by the Air force when they tried to use X-Band Radar (say around 10 to 11 Gigahertz or 3 cm wavelength) The radar wouldn't work since this frequency range turned out to be absorbed by water vapor. There is abundant water vapor in the air. At least this provided a bunch of X-band klystrons for us reasearchers to experiment with microwaves at a reasonable price.

Thats the physics lesson for today--thank you all and good night.

Daddio




How much energy is used to transport a barrel of crude and then to process it into gasoline? More or less than the energy of a microwave process?

And sea water - is it more or less abundant, and more or less of a reason to go to war over than oil?

And how does the comparison of emissions of spent gas compare to that of hydrogen?


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Yes of course--but the question is where do we get the abundant, high quality energy to convert hydrogen into our major fuel for autos--I vote for nuclear; what do you say

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