You know, I'm beginning to realize that I can't help you. You just want to believe your silly ideology at any costs, no matter what. You are either incapable of responding to arguments, or you avoid them.

LOL, Rush... You are beginning to catch on... You can't argue with these sorts of people. Whether they are some sort of religious fundamentalist or a 'Lefty-Lib True Believer(tm)', they refuse to believe anything that doesn't conform to their Holy Dogma.

The Lefty-Lib 'member in good standing' of the Church of Socialism will never truly engage in debate on the subject, because when one does so one must at least implicitly admit the possibility that the other side just might, maybe be correct.

For a Lefty-Lib to admit that a person on the right just might actually be right would be enough to make their mush-minds explode.

Its too bad that the Lefty-Lib is FAR more dangerous than religious fundamentalists. The odds that the Lefty-Libs will get the government to enact yet another socialist program and fund it by tax-rapeing your wallet are MUCH higher than the odds that a religious fundamentalist will turn terrorist and blow you to bits with their explosive wardrobe. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't even TRY to de-program and un-brainwash them.

This just in. Democrats in Congress threaten to blow up DC if their demands aren't met.

I really don't think so.

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Moderation in all things.

Is it bad to worry and care for others?

Here in a thread about taxi drivers striking for more money, do lines need to be drawn in the sand? Left, right, poor, rich, don't we all deserve to speak of better days and ways? Or is this where we are in the 21st century. Still debating over basic human needs and throwing stones when ideas don't suit us?

Money. Personal gratification over your fellow man? Who is morally correct? Those who have compassion or those who self serve? I still believe everyone has something special to offer, even if it doesn't enrich me. I guess you can put me down as an idealist, but one day things will be different. Or we'll all be dead fighting over that last dollar or piece of land.

Listen to your heart, not your wallet.

Is this why we are called the Human Race?

If this were NAZI Germany in the 1940's, only 70 short years ago, would you not be among the ones turning a blind eye? Or worse? Perhaps the "Greatest Generation" will hold onto the title for all times.


If you must toss me into a category, put me on the short list of "thinkers".

I hear tell of a final categorizing to be held after this life.



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I don't mind that the cab drivers want more money. I just disagree with the methods they plan on using. Think about it. What happens if they go on strike and the city keeps humming along without them?

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Moderation in all things.

You know, I'm beginning to realize that I can't help you. You just want to believe your silly ideology at any costs, no matter what. You are either incapable of responding to arguments, or you avoid them.

LOL, Rush... You are beginning to catch on... You can't argue with these sorts of people. Whether they are some sort of religious fundamentalist or a 'Lefty-Lib True Believer(tm)', they refuse to believe anything that doesn't conform to their Holy Dogma.

The Lefty-Lib 'member in good standing' of the Church of Socialism will never truly engage in debate on the subject, because when one does so one must at least implicitly admit the possibility that the other side just might, maybe be correct.

For a Lefty-Lib to admit that a person on the right just might actually be right would be enough to make their mush-minds explode.

Its too bad that the Lefty-Lib is FAR more dangerous than religious fundamentalists. The odds that the Lefty-Libs will get the government to enact yet another socialist program and fund it by tax-rapeing your wallet are MUCH higher than the odds that a religious fundamentalist will turn terrorist and blow you to bits with their explosive wardrobe. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't even TRY to de-program and un-brainwash them.

What's wrong with a more HUMAN society? A society where humans count more than the money they own? Where the wealth of the normal Mr.& Mrs. Average is more important than the wealth of a few locusts? Where employees aren't exploited? Where the employees don't have to pay for their own security? Where jobs are put up there where the people are, instead of people being forced to move across the entire country to find a job?

I must admit, I don't exactly know what you mean with "Lefty-Lib". I know left-wings, and I know liberals, and both are entirely different political and economical directions. To throw them both into one basket shows me how right-wing you are.

Where are we going and why are we in this basket?

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Moderation in all things.

Is it bad to worry and care for others?

No. It is bad to use the gov't to force other people to do what they aren't willing to do on their own.

Here in a thread about taxi drivers striking for more money, do lines need to be drawn in the sand?

The only "line" is the one the the gov't drew to limit what those cabbies could earn. Get this: other people begged the gov't to set limits on the cabbies' earnings. And it did. Now the cabbies are starving.

Left, right, poor, rich, don't we all deserve to speak of better days and ways? Or is this where we are in the 21st century. Still debating over basic human needs and throwing stones when ideas don't suit us?

Money. Personal gratification over your fellow man? Who is morally correct? Those who have compassion or those who self serve? I still believe everyone has something special to offer, even if it doesn't enrich me. I guess you can put me down as an idealist, but one day things will be different. Or we'll all be dead fighting over that last dollar or piece of land.

I won't be, because I won't be advocating forcing you to do ANYTHING. Ever.

However, you and Thorin are doing exactly that. You have to force people who don't agree with you to play along. THAT's where the fighting will begin.

If you must toss me into a category, put me on the short list of "thinkers".

Rest assured, that category was certainly not on the short list...

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Remove the obvious...

What's wrong with a more HUMAN society? A society where humans count more than the money they own? Where the wealth of the normal Mr.& Mrs. Average is more important than the wealth of a few locusts? Where employees aren't exploited? Where the employees don't have to pay for their own security? Where jobs are put up there where the people are, instead of people being forced to move across the entire country to find a job?

Provide this, Thorin. Get you, and everyone that thinks like you, and everyone that would read "The Daily Worker," and Michael Moore, and Sox, and Gray and do it. You all want to pay for health care for each other, do it. Jobs, security, anything you want, just do it.

NO ONE is stopping you. It's not against the law. You have millions of people that believe as you guys seem to, so just do it. Provide all this stuff for yourselves.

And if you can't, you should be able to understand why you can't.

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

I don't mind that the cab drivers want more money. I just disagree with the methods they plan on using. Think about it. What happens if they go on strike and the city keeps humming along without them?

I understand, Jon. Thank you.

There is always risk when standing up for ones self.

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Those factory workers, especially those autoworkers. Some of them get $50-$60 per hour. I think they're way overpaid. I was a mechanical engineer and had to go to college for that. I never made even half that. Some of those unions have too much power. Maybe the government ought to look into that and intervene.

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I don't mind that the cab drivers want more money. I just disagree with the methods they plan on using. Think about it. What happens if they go on strike and the city keeps humming along without them?

I understand, Jon. Thank you.

There is always risk when standing up for ones self.

Don't I know...

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Those factory workers, especially those autoworkers. Some of them get $50-$60 per hour. I think they're way overpaid. I was a mechanical engineer and had to go to college for that. I never made even half that. Some of those unions have too much power. Maybe the government ought to look into that and intervene.

Ahh...another advocate of using Government to force people ( the UAW for example ) into doing things the way you think they should be done??

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Its too bad that the Lefty-Lib is FAR more dangerous than religious fundamentalists. The odds that the Lefty-Libs will get the government to enact yet another socialist program and fund it by tax-rapeing your wallet are MUCH higher than the odds that a religious fundamentalist will turn terrorist and blow you to bits with their explosive wardrobe. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't even TRY to de-program and un-brainwash them.

I completely disagree. The religeous fundamentalists in the US are not interested in blowing things up. They are much more interested in removing freedom of speech and freedom of religeon. To them, freedom of religeon means that you are free to have any religeon as long as it is Christian. Under Bush the Constitution has been severely eroded.

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Those factory workers, especially those autoworkers. Some of them get $50-$60 per hour. I think they're way overpaid. I was a mechanical engineer and had to go to college for that. I never made even half that. Some of those unions have too much power. Maybe the government ought to look into that and intervene.

The government doesn't need to step in. The situation has been correcting itself over the past few years. Why do you think a number of jobs have moved overseas?

There is a flipside to this trend. A lock manufacturer tried moving his factory to Mexico a few years back and ended up bringing the jobs back to the states because he could not find enough qualified workers south of the border.

Which brings me to this off topic point. The number immigrants that are entering the country illegally might just be due to the fact that they can't find jobs in Mexico and they WANT to work to earn a living. I like the idea of hooking these people up with employers before they enter the country.

You want to earn a wage? Come on over.

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Moderation in all things.

You know, I'm beginning to realize that I can't help you. You just want to believe your silly ideology at any costs, no matter what. You are either incapable of responding to arguments, or you avoid them.

LOL, Rush... You are beginning to catch on... You can't argue with these sorts of people. Whether they are some sort of religious fundamentalist or a 'Lefty-Lib True Believer(tm)', they refuse to believe anything that doesn't conform to their Holy Dogma.

The Lefty-Lib 'member in good standing' of the Church of Socialism will never truly engage in debate on the subject, because when one does so one must at least implicitly admit the possibility that the other side just might, maybe be correct.

For a Lefty-Lib to admit that a person on the right just might actually be right would be enough to make their mush-minds explode.

Its too bad that the Lefty-Lib is FAR more dangerous than religious fundamentalists. The odds that the Lefty-Libs will get the government to enact yet another socialist program and fund it by tax-rapeing your wallet are MUCH higher than the odds that a religious fundamentalist will turn terrorist and blow you to bits with their explosive wardrobe. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't even TRY to de-program and un-brainwash them.

What's wrong with a more HUMAN society? A society where humans count more than the money they own? Where the wealth of the normal Mr.& Mrs. Average is more important than the wealth of a few locusts? Where employees aren't exploited? Where the employees don't have to pay for their own security? Where jobs are put up there where the people are, instead of people being forced to move across the entire country to find a job?

I must admit, I don't exactly know what you mean with "Lefty-Lib". I know left-wings, and I know liberals, and both are entirely different political and economical directions. To throw them both into one basket shows me how right-wing you are.

No you are lefty-lib!

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Heh heh. That's right Thorin. Very good. Very good. Now, very slowly, let's take that a step further... when one lowers the costs (oh, say, ummmm, let's say by building a plant in Spartanburg, for example), what do you think happens to profits?

That's easy. Firstly, the company gets money from the state/community/whatever because building a plant means jobs. Then, the first jobs are mostly subsidized (at least for a certain amount of time) so that the company don't have to pay them at all by themselves. That means their already high profit climbs to ridiculous heights which still is not enough for these greedy locusts.

You know, I'm beginning to realize that I can't help you. You just want to believe your silly ideology at any costs, no matter what. You are either incapable of responding to arguments, or you avoid them.

The "company" (and that could be you or the UAW (and the UAW has the money, rest assured)) can borrow money from a bank, and goes from there. Those jobs aren't subsidized at all, for any amount of time. But even if they were, nothing is stopping the UAW from doing it on their own. Nothing at all. You've said it, they don't need managers, stockholders, or the market. What the hell are they waiting for?

Build and sell the damn hell ass cars. Quit skrewing around and just do it.

Where can I get an ass car? Does it run on methane?

The Unions also have enough money to buy the factories and start tomorrow!

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Heh heh. That's right Thorin. Very good. Very good. Now, very slowly, let's take that a step further... when one lowers the costs (oh, say, ummmm, let's say by building a plant in Spartanburg, for example), what do you think happens to profits?

That's easy. Firstly, the company gets money from the state/community/whatever because building a plant means jobs. Then, the first jobs are mostly subsidized (at least for a certain amount of time) so that the company don't have to pay them at all by themselves. That means their already high profit climbs to ridiculous heights which still is not enough for these greedy locusts.

You know, I'm beginning to realize that I can't help you. You just want to believe your silly ideology at any costs, no matter what. You are either incapable of responding to arguments, or you avoid them.

The "company" (and that could be you or the UAW (and the UAW has the money, rest assured)) can borrow money from a bank, and goes from there. Those jobs aren't subsidized at all, for any amount of time. But even if they were, nothing is stopping the UAW from doing it on their own. Nothing at all. You've said it, they don't need managers, stockholders, or the market. What the hell are they waiting for?

Build and sell the damn hell ass cars. Quit skrewing around and just do it.

Where can I get an ass car? Does it run on methane?

The Unions also have enough money to buy the factories and start tomorrow!

True in some cases, but the money is tied up in pension funds...and haven't been robbed by the Unions, unlike corporate pension funds which have been looted.

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True in some cases, but the money is tied up in pension funds...and haven't been robbed by the Unions, unlike corporate pension funds which have been looted.

Don't get me started. It happened to my father. The company failed to pay the compulsory superannuation (probably equivalent to your pension) and instead used it without permission to try to prop up the company. When that failed, the execs made sure they got their pay etc and placed it into administration. All the 'workers' missed out on pay, leave entitlements and super.

Best part was the super money they used did not belong to the company. They failed to obey the business laws and got away with it. Luckily, being a sparky he was able to find employment within a couple of weeks.

Nothing the union could do, let alone anyone. The money had gone. To this day they still haven't got everything they were entitled to and never will (especially since the administrator, banks and creditors get paid what they are owed first and then the leftovers go to the workers).

Just they way it goes.

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True in some cases, but the money is tied up in pension funds...and haven't been robbed by the Unions, unlike corporate pension funds which have been looted.

Don't get me started. It happened to my father. The company failed to pay the compulsory superannuation (probably equivalent to your pension) and instead used it without permission to try to prop up the company. When that failed, the execs made sure they got their pay etc and placed it into administration. All the 'workers' missed out on pay, leave entitlements and super.

Best part was the super money they used did not belong to the company. They failed to obey the business laws and got away with it. Luckily, being a sparky he was able to find employment within a couple of weeks.

Nothing the union could do, let alone anyone. The money had gone. To this day they still haven't got everything they were entitled to and never will (especially since the administrator, banks and creditors get paid what they are owed first and then the leftovers go to the workers).

Just they way it goes.

Rule #1 : Never trust anyone else with your retirement money.
Rule #2 : Never rely one one source for your retirement money.

Currently I have three sources that I can utilize when I retire. An IRA account, Virginia retirement fund, and SS. I have lowballed everything in calculating future income and can live comfortably at this point in time.

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Moderation in all things.

True in some cases, but the money is tied up in pension funds...and haven't been robbed by the Unions, unlike corporate pension funds which have been looted.

Don't get me started. It happened to my father. The company failed to pay the compulsory superannuation (probably equivalent to your pension) and instead used it without permission to try to prop up the company. When that failed, the execs made sure they got their pay etc and placed it into administration. All the 'workers' missed out on pay, leave entitlements and super.

Best part was the super money they used did not belong to the company. They failed to obey the business laws and got away with it. Luckily, being a sparky he was able to find employment within a couple of weeks.

Nothing the union could do, let alone anyone. The money had gone. To this day they still haven't got everything they were entitled to and never will (especially since the administrator, banks and creditors get paid what they are owed first and then the leftovers go to the workers).

Just they way it goes.

Rule #1 : Never trust anyone else with your retirement money.
Rule #2 : Never rely one one source for your retirement money.

Currently I have three sources that I can utilize when I retire. An IRA account, Virginia retirement fund, and SS. I have lowballed everything in calculating future income and can live comfortably at this point in time.

He knows that. But the way the system works here, is your employer pays the compulsory super when you get your normal pay or they pay it once a month. You don't get the money to then transfer yourself. Since some changes to the laws, the employee can specify which fund their employer is to pay it into. But the point is, it is the employer that is obligated to pay on time and correctly. The employee should check (just because it says xxx amount super doesn't mean it went in) you have to get the statements from your fund (which usually come out every 6 months).

He now salary sacrifices money from his take home pay into his super to make sure that he will have enough for himself and his wife (and to compensate for the lost super and interest from earlier on).

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Most of London's subway shuts down Tuesday after maintenance workers walked off the job.

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Most of London's subway shuts down Tuesday after maintenance workers walked off the job.

Yay!
Well, such an important part as traffic never should be private. I'd rather suggest London to invest as much as they can into Metronet, that this strike topic can be laid down, and that this company is in communal hands where it belongs to :)

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