OK, I know I've been bringing up a lot of 'hot button' topics lately, but I think they have all been in good taste, and eliciting rational discourse.

Soooo...... The kities wish to ask, what is your opinion about the assasination of JFK?

What, you ask, is my opinion?

Too much for one little man to accomplish on his own. And the films and documentary evidence that have surfaced since tha event have only widened my doubt.
The 'magic bullet' theory, although a bit over dramatized in Stone's JFK, just doesn't wash.
Sad part is, so many involved (or just dragged into the conspiracy) have died since, that the truth will probably never come out.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

what is your opinion about the assasination of JFK?

Being that he donated his entire salary to charity, I'm guessing that he made a lot of enemies amongst the elitists who probably had him shot for making them look bad...

That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;)

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All the news media in the world cannot change my mind that one person killed JFK. He was a threat to elitists as well as those want a one world government.

As everbody knows the zapruder film film shows a gunshot from the front not from the back. This country has not recovered from this tragic event and will not be until the truth is revealed

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Ok, first let us examine the situtation as it was before the assassination. JFK had made lots of enemies.

First, let us examine organized crime in the USA. JFK's father was part of it. He made the Kennedy family fortune bootlegging booze during Prohibition. The 'mafia' saw the Kennedys as a member 'family'. When J.F. Kennedy got elected president, and his little brother Robert Kennedy was confirmed as Attorney General, the mob thought they were pretty much set. However, the Kennedy boys began a campaign of 'cleaning up' the mob, sending many of the mob's leadership to jail (or worse, the graveyard). The mob saw the Kennedy boys as traitors, and they were highly angered by it.

Second, let us look at the USSR. While privately, the deal ending the Cuban Missile Crisis was pretty much a quid-pro-quo (we would take ours out of Turkey if the Soviets removed theirs from Cuba), it was a HUGE public embarassment to the Soviet Union.

Third, let us examine the CIA and the community of Cuban exiles in south Florida. A lot of effort and money had been spent setting up an invasion of Cuba by the exiles at the 'Bay of Pigs'. JFK decided, at the last possible moment', to not provide the promised air support for the invasion. This allowed Castro's forces to mow down the invasion, killing or capturing the exiles taking part in it. This extremely angered the Cuban exile community and the parts of the CIA that were involved with it.

Lastly, let us examine the one person in the USA that benefited the most from JFK's assassination... LBJ. LBJ was very liberal in his politics, and often clashed with JFK (JFK was somewhat conservative) over policy decisions on domestic issues such as 'welfare' and civil rights. LBJ had a burning desire to be president, instead of just vice-president, so that he could pursue his liberal agenda. After LBJ became president, he was able to successfully parley sympathy from a nation grieving over the death of JFK into passage of his 'Great Society' and 'War on Poverty' programs, thus building on the foundations laid by FDR's 'New Deal' and transforming the USA into a welfare state. He was also successful in getting the Congress to pass civil rights legislation in 1964, completing the transformation of the image of the Democratic party from the party of the pre-Civil War slaveholders to that of the Friend of the Minorities, ensureing many decades of minority group loyality to the Democrats at the Ballot box.

Also, LBJ had extensive ties to organized crime. One of his best friends was a certain Jack Ruby. Ruby pretty much ran the 'Dixie Mafia' in Dallas, TX. Furthermore, in the hours and days leading up to JFK's assassination in Dallas, LBJ attended a meeting of the Dixie Mafia with Ruby at a restaurant in Corsicana, Tx.

Ok, now to the sequence of events of the actual assassination. The person that was accused of the assassination was Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Oswald had previously defected to the USSR, and at least came to the attention of the Soviet 'Committee for State Security' (KGB), if not actually entered their service. As the Kennedy motorcade passed the Texas Schoolbook Depository in Dallas, shots ring out and Kennedy is wounded, mortally so. Also wounded is the Governor of Texas, riding in Kennedy's car. The government story is that a single bullet wounded both the Governor and President Kennedy, but the trajectory required is quite... convoluted. Also, the film taken by a bystander of Kennedy as he was being shot does not on the surface support the thesis that he was shot from behind (where witnesses place a gunman in a window in the 6th floor of the Schoolbook Depository). Also, there were witnesses that placed a gunman on the infamous 'grassy knoll' in front of Kennedy's vehicle. The evidence from the film suggests that the bullet that struck Kennedy likely could have come from the Grassy Knoll. Also, the number of shots reported tend to support multiple gunmen. After President Kennedy was wounded, he was taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas. When he later died there, an autopsy was performed. After Kennedy's body was returned to the Washington DC area, another autopsy was performed. The description of Kennedy's wounds do not match. The Parkland autopsy supports Kennedy getting shot from the front, the 2nd autopsy supported Kennedy getting shot from behind.

Now, let us return to Oswald. He was captured rather quickly, almost as if the people investigating the assassination were told exactly who to look for and where to find him. Oswald was arrested and jailed, but Jack Ruby (remember him) shot Oswald dead soon thereafter. Ruby is arrested, but dies in jail a year or so later.

Thus far, none of this is 'belief' on my part, it is all fact. Where am I going with this? Well, pay attention. I'm getting to the good part.

I believe, after study on what I have relayed above, and after talking with a cousin of mine that was part of Ruby's criminal organization, that the following is an overview, a quick sketch, of what happened.

The assassination of JFK was a coup d'etat designed to put someone more friendly to organized crime (namely, LBJ) into the presidency. Elements within the Soviet KGB provided a patsy, a fall guy (namely Oswald). At the very least, the CIA looked the other way. Ruby knew he was dying, and volunteered to silence Oswald. The investigators were tipped off on Oswald, thus allowing the other assassin(s) to escape. Kennedy's body was doctored into supporting Oswald being the lone gunman, and other investigations were steered towards this conclusion as well. The Warren Commission was merely meant to rubber-stamp the Conspiracy's version of the events and to be the final nail in the cover-up.

Organized crime was happy: the man that betrayed them (JFK) was silenced and replaced with someone much more friendly to their interests.

LBJ was happy. He was now President and had a free hand to push his agenda... Even better, he could now play on the sympathy and grief of the nation to ensure his agenda was enacted into law.

The USSR was happy. The man that had internationally embarrassed them was dead.

The CIA (or at least elements therein) was happy. The man that betrayed them, costing all those lives at the Bay of Pigs, was dead.

Can any of this be proven? Likely not. Too much time has passed, and too many of the people directly involved have died. But it does fit the facts and explain the motivations of the people involved. Normally, I am not one to put much belief in conspiracy theories. They usually are some of the most outlandish bullcrap without any supporting evidence. But the Official Version of Kennedy's assassination stunk to high heaven, so I did some investigation. I am firmly convinced that the theory I have relayed above is, if not the actual truth then very VERY close to it.

Ok, first let us examine the situtation as it was before the assassination. JFK had made lots of enemies.

First, let us examine organized crime in the USA. JFK's father was part of it. He made the Kennedy family fortune bootlegging booze during Prohibition. The 'mafia' saw the Kennedys as a member 'family'. When J.F. Kennedy got elected president, and his little brother Robert Kennedy was confirmed as Attorney General, the mob thought they were pretty much set. However, the Kennedy boys began a campaign of 'cleaning up' the mob, sending many of the mob's leadership to jail (or worse, the graveyard). The mob saw the Kennedy boys as traitors, and they were highly angered by it.

Second, let us look at the USSR. While privately, the deal ending the Cuban Missile Crisis was pretty much a quid-pro-quo (we would take ours out of Turkey if the Soviets removed theirs from Cuba), it was a HUGE public embarassment to the Soviet Union.

Third, let us examine the CIA and the community of Cuban exiles in south Florida. A lot of effort and money had been spent setting up an invasion of Cuba by the exiles at the 'Bay of Pigs'. JFK decided, at the last possible moment', to not provide the promised air support for the invasion. This allowed Castro's forces to mow down the invasion, killing or capturing the exiles taking part in it. This extremely angered the Cuban exile community and the parts of the CIA that were involved with it.

Lastly, let us examine the one person in the USA that benefited the most from JFK's assassination... LBJ. LBJ was very liberal in his politics, and often clashed with JFK (JFK was somewhat conservative) over policy decisions on domestic issues such as 'welfare' and civil rights. LBJ had a burning desire to be president, instead of just vice-president, so that he could pursue his liberal agenda. After LBJ became president, he was able to successfully parley sympathy from a nation grieving over the death of JFK into passage of his 'Great Society' and 'War on Poverty' programs, thus building on the foundations laid by FDR's 'New Deal' and transforming the USA into a welfare state. He was also successful in getting the Congress to pass civil rights legislation in 1964, completing the transformation of the image of the Democratic party from the party of the pre-Civil War slaveholders to that of the Friend of the Minorities, ensureing many decades of minority group loyality to the Democrats at the Ballot box.

Also, LBJ had extensive ties to organized crime. One of his best friends was a certain Jack Ruby. Ruby pretty much ran the 'Dixie Mafia' in Dallas, TX. Furthermore, in the hours and days leading up to JFK's assassination in Dallas, LBJ attended a meeting of the Dixie Mafia with Ruby at a restaurant in Corsicana, Tx.

Ok, now to the sequence of events of the actual assassination. The person that was accused of the assassination was Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Oswald had previously defected to the USSR, and at least came to the attention of the Soviet 'Committee for State Security' (KGB), if not actually entered their service. As the Kennedy motorcade passed the Texas Schoolbook Depository in Dallas, shots ring out and Kennedy is wounded, mortally so. Also wounded is the Governor of Texas, riding in Kennedy's car. The government story is that a single bullet wounded both the Governor and President Kennedy, but the trajectory required is quite... convoluted. Also, the film taken by a bystander of Kennedy as he was being shot does not on the surface support the thesis that he was shot from behind (where witnesses place a gunman in a window in the 6th floor of the Schoolbook Depository). Also, there were witnesses that placed a gunman on the infamous 'grassy knoll' in front of Kennedy's vehicle. The evidence from the film suggests that the bullet that struck Kennedy likely could have come from the Grassy Knoll. Also, the number of shots reported tend to support multiple gunmen. After President Kennedy was wounded, he was taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas. When he later died there, an autopsy was performed. After Kennedy's body was returned to the Washington DC area, another autopsy was performed. The description of Kennedy's wounds do not match. The Parkland autopsy supports Kennedy getting shot from the front, the 2nd autopsy supported Kennedy getting shot from behind.

Now, let us return to Oswald. He was captured rather quickly, almost as if the people investigating the assassination were told exactly who to look for and where to find him. Oswald was arrested and jailed, but Jack Ruby (remember him) shot Oswald dead soon thereafter. Ruby is arrested, but dies in jail a year or so later.

Thus far, none of this is 'belief' on my part, it is all fact. Where am I going with this? Well, pay attention. I'm getting to the good part.

I believe, after study on what I have relayed above, and after talking with a cousin of mine that was part of Ruby's criminal organization, that the following is an overview, a quick sketch, of what happened.

The assassination of JFK was a coup d'etat designed to put someone more friendly to organized crime (namely, LBJ) into the presidency. Elements within the Soviet KGB provided a patsy, a fall guy (namely Oswald). At the very least, the CIA looked the other way. Ruby knew he was dying, and volunteered to silence Oswald. The investigators were tipped off on Oswald, thus allowing the other assassin(s) to escape. Kennedy's body was doctored into supporting Oswald being the lone gunman, and other investigations were steered towards this conclusion as well. The Warren Commission was merely meant to rubber-stamp the Conspiracy's version of the events and to be the final nail in the cover-up.

Organized crime was happy: the man that betrayed them (JFK) was silenced and replaced with someone much more friendly to their interests.

LBJ was happy. He was now President and had a free hand to push his agenda... Even better, he could now play on the sympathy and grief of the nation to ensure his agenda was enacted into law.

The USSR was happy. The man that had internationally embarrassed them was dead.

The CIA (or at least elements therein) was happy. The man that betrayed them, costing all those lives at the Bay of Pigs, was dead.

Can any of this be proven? Likely not. Too much time has passed, and too many of the people directly involved have died. But it does fit the facts and explain the motivations of the people involved. Normally, I am not one to put much belief in conspiracy theories. They usually are some of the most outlandish bullcrap without any supporting evidence. But the Official Version of Kennedy's assassination stunk to high heaven, so I did some investigation. I am firmly convinced that the theory I have relayed above is, if not the actual truth then very VERY close to it.

I agree that your synopsis is probably not far from the actual truth.
The Warren Commision report stank to high heaven, and the logic employed to defend it's explanations of events sounds more like fiction than fact. Simple physics debunks much of what they base their conclusions on.
And LBJ stank too. If he was not implicitly involved, I believe he had to have some knowledge of what had gone on behind the scenes to put him into power. And I wonder who had him in their back pocket once the deed was done?

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Linking this answer directly to the title.

I believe you should accept he's dead and move on.

Same for Diana, she was in a car crash and died, end of story!

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

But the Official Version of Kennedy's assassination stunk to high heaven, so I did some investigation.

Wanna tackle the 911 conspiracy next? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

But the Official Version of Kennedy's assassination stunk to high heaven, so I did some investigation.

Wanna tackle the 911 conspiracy next? ;)

So, you are conspiracy theorist, eh? I knew it!

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So, you are conspiracy theorist

Actually, I have my own theory about 911, and I can assure you, it's like none you've heard before...

To answer your next question: It ain't gonna happen on these boards... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

So, you are conspiracy theorist

Actually, I have my own theory about 911, and I can assure you, it's like none you've heard before...

To answer your next question: It ain't gonna happen on these boards... ;)

Ha ha! I've figured you out well enough to know we would not see your theory here. Unfortunately, that means you will continue to be persecuted and no one can help you with making sense to others. Catch-22. Enjoy.

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Audio Recording by E. Howard Hunt regarding the JFK assaination

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So, you are conspiracy theorist

Actually, I have my own theory about 911, and I can assure you, it's like none you've heard before...

To answer your next question: It ain't gonna happen on these boards... ;)

Ha ha! I've figured you out well enough to know we would not see your theory here. Unfortunately, that means you will continue to be persecuted and no one can help you with making sense to others. Catch-22. Enjoy.

The theory about 911 the people involved had help from the U.S

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The Parable of the Sheep, the Sheepdogs, and the Wolves:

People fall into three categories: sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves... The sheep are the everyday people who go about their daily lives usually unaware of the battle going on around them between the sheepdogs and the wolves... The sheepdogs, which are nothing more than bolder and braver sheep, can spot the wolves on sight and do their best to protect their fellow sheep from the wolves... The wolves knowing this, and being more charismatic than the sheepdogs, do their best to discredit the sheepdogs with the sheep, and if necessary, destroy the sheepdogs entirely because they themselves have a strong desire to be the noble sheepdogs... The unfortunate part is that only when the sheepdogs are gone, will the sheep realize the difference between the sheepdogs and the wolves, but by that time, there will be nobody left to protect the sheep from the wolves... The sheep will then be forced to stand up to the wolves on their own, only to be devoured out of weakness... Unfortunately for the wolves, they are their own worst enemy... They have an endless craving for power and control which can only be obtained from the presence of the sheep, so eventually, they too, will devour each other until the very last wolf will stand tall and proud over all that he has accomplished... Personally, I wouldn't want to be that guy...

With that said: I know who the wolves are... And they are responsible for both JFK and 911... ;)

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'There exists in this country a plot to enslave every man woman and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot.' - President John F. Kennedy - 7 days before he was assassinated.


I don't know how true this statement is, but it's definitely quite interesting... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

'There exists in this country a plot to enslave every man woman and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot.' - President John F. Kennedy - 7 days before he was assassinated.


I don't know how true this statement is, but it's definitely quite interesting... ;)

Some people say it was the Illuminati;

Greek illumination, name given to those who submitted to Christian baptism. Those who were baptized were called "illuminati" or "illuminated ones" by the Ante-Nicene clergy, on the assumption that those who were instructed for baptism in the Apostolic faith had an enlightened understanding.

The Alumbrados, a mystical 16th-century Spanish sect, were among the societies that subsequently adopted the name illuminati. Later, the title of illuminati was used by a secret society founded by Adam Weishaupt that aimed to combat religious thinking and encourage rationalism."
---Microsoft Encarta2000

It is well established that by the end of the eighteenth century, the Illuminati had been effectively disbanded. Because of Freemasonry's inadvertent involvement and misuse by its founder, Adam Weishaupt, the legends of its continued existence (and influence) persist into the twentieth century. In the 1950s and 1960s, members of the John Birch Society made much of this 'shadow' organization, using it as an effective substitute for their anti-Semitism. Perhaps some of the confusion regarding the organization is due to the fact that over time, the word illuminati came to be used more expansively for many enthusiasts of Enlightenment, including but not limited to the followers of Emmanuel Swedenborg. Nevertheless, the Illuminati's connection with Freemasonry was date-specific (the late 1700s) and place-specific (what is now Germany); it had NO involvement in Freemasonry elsewhere despite fanciful claims. Even the oft-mentioned 'Proofs of A Conspiracy' written in 1797 by a Scottish professor (and the root cause of so much furor in the United States as a result of one Boston Minister's fanciful claims) notes that the Illuminati's brand of Freemasonry was NOT the same Freemasonry as found in England and from which all other legitimate Masonic lodges today can trace their ancestry.

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the title of illuminati was used by a secret society founded by Adam Weishaupt that aimed to combat religious thinking and encourage rationalism.

This is even more interesting... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

'To whom much is given, much will be required.'
~ President John F. Kennedy

Maybe this is why they assassinated JFK... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

The point man was a lone rifleman. He may or may not have had support, but there were no other shooters.

The magic bullet didn't exist. When the bullet went through people, they were not seated facing forward.

Bullet strikes can make people jerk in any direction, not just the direction away from the bullet.

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It’s been revealed to me down deep in my soul, there were two shooters on the grassy knoll.
We never walked on the moon, Elvis ain’t dead, you ain’t going crazy, it’s all in your head.

Let us sing....

The ultimate conspiracy is that there is no conspiracy.

These beliefs are held truth in the wildness of our own imaginations.

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He who trims himself to suit others soon whittles himself away. - Raymond Hull