I'd still recommend the Sig Sauer P220 Crimson Trace® in .45ACP.

The Crimson Trace® is a grip integrated laser sight. It's a quick and accurate sighting system.

Still a wee bit much for a "NEWB".

Very true. I'd start someone out who is just beginning to learn to shoot something of a small caliber, and let them work up to what they are comfortable to shoot. I can shoot a 45 just fine, however, I am far from accurate. I am very accurate with my 9mm, mostly because I'm comfortable with it. Its all in how much you practice. But I would definately start someone who has never shot a gun before on a small caliber.

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I'd still recommend the Sig Sauer P220 Crimson Trace® in .45ACP.

The Crimson Trace® is a grip integrated laser sight. It's a quick and accurate sighting system.

Still a wee bit much for a "NEWB".

Very true. I'd start someone out who is just beginning to learn to shoot something of a small caliber, and let them work up to what they are comfortable to shoot. I can shoot a 45 just fine, however, I am far from accurate. I am very accurate with my 9mm, mostly because I'm comfortable with it. Its all in how much you practice. But I would definately start someone who has never shot a gun before on a small caliber.

There's really no point in starting with anything less than a 9mm.

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I'd still recommend the Sig Sauer P220 Crimson Trace® in .45ACP.

The Crimson Trace® is a grip integrated laser sight. It's a quick and accurate sighting system.

Still a wee bit much for a "NEWB".

Very true. I'd start someone out who is just beginning to learn to shoot something of a small caliber, and let them work up to what they are comfortable to shoot. I can shoot a 45 just fine, however, I am far from accurate. I am very accurate with my 9mm, mostly because I'm comfortable with it. Its all in how much you practice. But I would definately start someone who has never shot a gun before on a small caliber.

There's really no point in starting with anything less than a 9mm.

True, My Wife loves hers.

Let me make stance on the issue clear (horsewhip, my butt).
I am a life member of the NRA, and staunchly defend every legal US citizen's right to own a LEGAL weapon for hunting or self defense.
I do not happen to own a firearm of any kind right now, but the above still stands.
The saying "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" is not just a bumper sticker but a hard truth, borne out by statistics in regions that have banned gun ownership by law abiding citizens.
I do not believe that owning a gun is a 'liscence to kill', and if faced with the threat of some bloke busting into my house and threatening my life, my first attempt if the situation allowed it, would be to shoot below the waist to disable the SOB rather than to try to kill them outright.
I also forget at times, that when I post on these boards I am not just expressing my views to just US citizens, but people from all walks of life and many different countries, with significantly different laws and customs involved. I am expressing my opinion as a US citizen, in regard to the laws in this country.
So...... please do not be offended if the discussion is rendered moot by the laws where you reside.

My Mother who is 96, and lives alone on her farm in North Carolina, looked out her kitchen window and saw a rather rough looking man standing next to the door to her breezeway. She raised the window and asked what he was doing there to which he replied just looking at things. She told him that he had better leave, that she didn't want him there. He replied, "I don't think I will you old bitch". She then told him she was calling 911, and after that she was going to come back and shoot him. She called 911 and related the situation to the dispacher and the dispacher replied. "Lady it will be 20 minutes before an officer can get there. For Gods sake if you shoot him, drag his body inside the door".
So much for counting on the police to be there to protect you life when needed.
Anyway, she went back to the window with her pistol in hand, and the guy was running like hell and about a quarter of a mile down the road. The sheriff did spot and arrest him. He was an escaped convict.

Perfect example, as I stated below. The police cannot be everywhere to protect everyone. Good for your mother!!

Guns are not the problem, its the bad guys who don't care about laws that hurt the lives of others. I don't care how many gun restrictions there are, not 1 criminal in the world cares. I was raised around guns. My family hunts every year. Guns are a part of our life. I also enjoy going to the range with friends, and having a nice competition to see who shoots the best.

And it is nice to see this thread so active, without bashing. It is very educational to see different parts of the world and how different laws are. There are no right or wrong answers here. Very lively discussion. I hope this stays this way. :-)

Jeremy

I also grew up with guns and hunting in the woods around the family farm. I was taught respect for firearms and how to hunt safely from the age of 8.
I have some fine trophies in my home now, but haven't gone on a real hunt for a couple of years now. I feed the wild bunnies carrots in the evening and have them trained to gather in response to my whistle.
I am still a fine shot with my 30.06, 30-30, 22, shotguns, pellet rifle and my bow. I have about 30 robin hood shots with the bow, some so perfect that it looks like a very long double fleched arrow. As to my pistol, which I used as a coup gun for deer, I can do more damage throwing it at something than trying to shoot it. Just never got the knack for pistols.

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When we finally figure it all out, all the rules will change and we can start all over again.

I'd still recommend the Sig Sauer P220 Crimson Trace® in .45ACP.

The Crimson Trace® is a grip integrated laser sight. It's a quick and accurate sighting system.

Still a wee bit much for a "NEWB".

Very true. I'd start someone out who is just beginning to learn to shoot something of a small caliber, and let them work up to what they are comfortable to shoot. I can shoot a 45 just fine, however, I am far from accurate. I am very accurate with my 9mm, mostly because I'm comfortable with it. Its all in how much you practice. But I would definately start someone who has never shot a gun before on a small caliber.

There's really no point in starting with anything less than a 9mm.

True. 9mm is a very easy caliber to learn from. Thats what I learned on. My dad has one, and thats what I like to shoot. :-)

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My Mother who is 96, and lives alone on her farm in North Carolina, looked out her kitchen window and saw a rather rough looking man standing next to the door to her breezeway. She raised the window and asked what he was doing there to which he replied just looking at things. She told him that he had better leave, that she didn't want him there. He replied, "I don't think I will you old bitch". She then told him she was calling 911, and after that she was going to come back and shoot him. She called 911 and related the situation to the dispacher and the dispacher replied. "Lady it will be 20 minutes before an officer can get there. For Gods sake if you shoot him, drag his body inside the door".
So much for counting on the police to be there to protect you life when needed.
Anyway, she went back to the window with her pistol in hand, and the guy was running like hell and about a quarter of a mile down the road. The sheriff did spot and arrest him. He was an escaped convict.

What you quote the police dispatcher advising that lady to shoot the guy and drag his body in is an urban legend. One of the first things that the police well ask you is where were you at when you discharged the firearm. They'll also do a complete check for all the blood spor and gun powder marks. They will then find out that you lied to them, and instead of being treated as a victim, you will become a suspect. Since he was outside, he posed no direct threat to her, she could be charged with manslaughter. The evidence would conclude that her story was a fabrication, and that her life wasn't in imminent danger. Being scared of someone outside of your house is in no way a valid reason to terminate someone. Having a gun to protect one's self and home is not a license to kill.

Someone taking your advice would put them in an extremely serious legal position. When I took my CCW (carry concealed weapon) permit classes, this is one of the legal scenarios they strongly discussed and impressed on everyone.
The United States Supreme Court case of Garner v. Tennessee was the other main thing drilled into our heads. Those two US Border agents which recently went to prison ran afoul of that.

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What you quote the police dispatcher advising that lady to shot the guy and drag his body in is an urban legend. One of the first things that the police well ask you is where were you at when you discharged the firearm. They'll also do a complete check for all the blood spor and gun powder marks. They will then find out that you lied to them, and instead of being treated as a victim, you will become a suspect. Since he was outside, he posed no direct threat to her, she could be charged with manslaughter. The evidence would conclude that her story was a fabrication, and that her life wasn't in imminent danger. Being scared of someone outside of your house is in no way a valid reason to terminate someone. Having a gun to protect one's self and home is not a license to kill.

Someone taking your advice would put them in an extremely serious legal position. When I took my CCW (carry concealed weapon) permit classes, this is one of the legal scenarios they strongly discussed and impressed on everyone.
The United States Supreme Court case of Garner v. Tennessee was the other main thing drilled into our heads. Those two US Border agents which recently went to prison ran afoul of that.

Really! If you are in a situation like what is referred to (and I hope you never are), for goodness sakes, call the police and stay inside. Don't open the doors or windows until the police arrive. If the bad guy DOES try to break in, again, for goodness sakes DON'T shoot them until they are 100% inside, then triple tap 'em. One to the head, two to the center of mass in quick succession (2 or 3 seconds total... most people can do this with training). DON'T try to just injure them. If they live, and are crippled in ANY way (likely) they WILL sue you. And whatever else you do, do NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES give them a 'coup de grace' shot. Once they drop, leave them alone, unless they get up again and start menacing you. And, if your first shot misses, and they take off running away, let them run. Do NOT back shoot them, or chase them. In most jurisdictions, if you follow these rules, you are not likely to get into serious legal trouble (but check the laws in your area anyway, just to be sure), the Grand Jury will likely no-bill you. If you mess up, it is likely to be YOU in the jail.

I think I heard an echo... LOL

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I also grew up with guns and hunting in the woods around the family farm. I was taught respect for firearms and how to hunt safely from the age of 8.
I have some fine trophies in my home now, but haven't gone on a real hunt for a couple of years now. I feed the wild bunnies carrots in the evening and have them trained to gather in response to my whistle.
I am still a fine shot with my 30.06, 30-30, 22, shotguns, pellet rifle and my bow. I have about 30 robin hood shots with the bow, some so perfect that it looks like a very long double fleched arrow. As to my pistol, which I used as a coup gun for deer, I can do more damage throwing it at something than trying to shoot it. Just never got the knack for pistols.

LOL I can't shoot a bow if my life depended on it. I'm an ok shot with my rifles. I have a 243 and a 308. I used to not be so good with my 9mm, but with practice, I am a whole lot better. I've neglected going out more often, its been almost 6 months since I've been out shooting. Ill be going out next weekend though. Gotta put some rounds downrange. :-)

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'Twas a thread starter in another forum..........
'Twas suggested that it be moved here........

I am an advocate of gun ownership. I wonder how many Setizens feel it neccessry (or prudent) to keep a gun about the house? I used to carry a .38 special in my boot because some idiot started shouting about the tavern that I was a narc. Had some biatch shooting at me one Saturday morning. Had to back my sorry butt up right proper and quick. Since then (20 years hence), I sold the Browning stainless steel semiautomatic that I substituted for the .38 Smith and Wesson snub nose, and have not felt the need to employ one since then.
Once one's weapons are well known and not a surprise, they cease to be a deterrent, only an instigation.

My friend asked me which pistol to recomend for his skinny gorgeous wife. I recomended a .357 2inch Colt Python. It can shoot .38's and .357's and wont ever jam. what u think ? She is about 90 lbs, counting 7 lbs of implants. Yeah, I know. Its a California question

A .357 2incher may be a bit rugged and heavy handed for her. Go to a gun store that lets you actually shoot some guns and try a few. She needs one that will let her shoot more than once, ie little recoil, but have some stopping power. MOST people are scared to death and shoot poorly at least once. The bad person keeps coming and they are forced to shoot again. If she can't handle the recoil she is a one shot, dead woman! It is VERY hard, and disconcerting, to convince yourself, in a shooting situation, that the other person is not going to just back down when they see you have a gun.

On a side note...a friend of mine bought his wife a gun to protect herself when he was away. He got off work early one night and snuck into the house and burst into the bedroom. Lucky thing he had fast reflexes, because as he hit the floor 5 shots went over his head into the wall! The gun left with him the next day.
Buying a gun is not always a good thing, and if you have kids.......!!

Oh Yeah ! I hear that ! Thats why I was thinking of the >357 with the first 2 rounds just .38. And have bells installed on it so when she picks it up.....we can RUN !

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Ok, if she is 90 lbs and a .38 .357 is too big..how about a smaller caliber with Glasser Safty slugs. >25 cal ?

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About 30 thousand people are killed by firearm wounds in USA every year. That is about 10 times the GIs casualties in Irag last year and 10 times the victims of 9/11 terrorist attacks. Is a civil war going on in the USA?
Tullio

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Ok, if she is 90 lbs and a .38 .357 is too big..how about a smaller caliber with Glasser Safty slugs. >25 cal ?

Or just a recording of a pump shotgun being loaded

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About 30 thousand people are killed by firearm wounds in USA every year. That is about 10 times the GIs casualties in Irag last year and 10 times the victims of 9/11 terrorist attacks. Is a civil war going on in the USA?
Tullio

"Non-Declared" IMHO. Mostly in the cities, Thats why I avoid them anymore. With the Guns some city folk carry makes me wonder just what kind of big game they are keeping hidden in the alleys. :-(

I have been shot at ( many years ago ) but I really don't feel the need to carry a gun.

I have no real problem with people that do carry...as long as they are responsible with it.

I never was a good shot.....next time And why would a wraith fear being shot ????

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So if a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn and an alien steps out. What would you shoot him with ?

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So if a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn and an alien steps out. What would you shoot him with ?

"...Questions...Queries...Posers."

So if a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn and an alien steps out. What would you shoot him with ?

"...Questions...Queries...Posers."

We should decide NOW !

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So if a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn and an alien steps out. What would you shoot him with ?

"...Questions...Queries...Posers."

We should decide NOW !

@The Mods,Please delete the last few posts.
I answered a dumb question with a dumb answer.
I apologize. Sorry, totally "Off Topic".:-(

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

About 30 thousand people are killed by firearm wounds in USA every year. That is about 10 times the GIs casualties in Irag last year and 10 times the victims of 9/11 terrorist attacks. Is a civil war going on in the USA?
Tullio

That's about right but let us break this stat down further.

In the U.S. for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,869; Homicide 11,348; Accident 802; Legal Intervention 323; Undetermined 231

If there were NO firearms (pistols, longarms, shotguns) other means would be used especially for suicide and homicide.

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