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 Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 
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What's really strange is, if Jeffrey showed no knowledge of the Koran (Qu'ran?), then his comments about 9/11 might be regarded as similar to those in the conspiracy camps. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 579939 ·  |
BillHyland  Send message Joined: 30 Apr 04 Posts: 907 Credit: 5,764,172 RAC: 0
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Jeffery, I asked a few questions of old friends back east and, weird thing, your name is known. I guess you are not paranoid because they really are out to get you. I asked people out east using the only criteria that I know him by, his presence on these boards. And yeah, they do know who he is and where he is (I don't) and what he is doing on an ongoing basis. I asked because I believe that he is a threat to women, children and men in the US. I think this because of things he has said. Apparently he had called attention to himself well before I asked. You ask him why, I gave what warning I felt appropriate and for myself, I hope he goes to Iraq or Afganistan and fights for those he loves so well. That way my son can have the opportunity to give him his entry into Paradise where he can get his seven golden raisins. ID: 579977 · |
Jeffrey  Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I Timothy 6:2-5 Teach and urge these duties. If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among men who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. Proverbs 10:18 He who conceals hatred has lying lips, and he who utters slander is a fool. ;)  It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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kittyman     Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004
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he has a morbid craving for controversy;) Gee, doesn't this fit a bunch of those who raise havok around here.......? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster 
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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Jeffery, I asked a few questions of old friends back east and, weird thing, your name is known. I guess you are not paranoid because they really are out to get you. You know what? I was going to play Devil's advocate yet again. But I'm too ^%#$ tired, have work to do, etc. ... . Besides, you and Jeffrey both have your minds' made up. Enjoy your Friday. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 579995 · |
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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004
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Jeffery, I asked a few questions of old friends back east and, weird thing, your name is known. I guess you are not paranoid because they really are out to get you. Rest well, my friend. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
'Encourage brief marriages to stem illicit sex' (AFP) 2 June 2007 TEHERAN - An Iranian cabinet minister said young people should be encouraged to get temporarily married, a practice unique to Shiite Islam, to avoid illicit extramarital sex, newspapers reported on Saturday. “We should expect violations and repercussions if we do not practically respond to young people’s sexual needs,†the centrist Kargozaran daily quoted Interior Minister Mostafa Pour-Mohammadi as saying. “Islam has solutions for all human problems and temporary marriage is a solution to this kind of problem,†the minister, who is himself a cleric, was quoted as telling a conference in Iran’s clerical capital of Qom. Temporary marriage, known in Farsi as sigheh, is a contract that allows a man and a woman to be married for any period of time from just an hour to 99 years. Pour-Mohammadi said Iran should seek to promote the practice with “boldness†and urged seminary scholars to study the matter and come up with ways to “execute God’s command in societyâ€Â. “We should not be afraid of promoting temporary marriages in a nation that is being governed by the rule of God.†Critics condemn sigheh as tantamount to prostitution, but clerics argue it is merely a more spiritual way of addressing basic human urges. Sixty percent of Iran’s population is under 30 years of age and the average age of marriage has risen to 30 for men and 26 for women, according to unofficial estimates. Under the sharia, or Islamic law, in force in Iran since the 1979 revolution, extramarital sex is prohibited and punishable by flogging or stoning. Sigheh has also been cited as a possible solution to a sharp increase in street prostitution in Iran in recent years. And after the divorce, what then? Prenuptial agreements en masse maybe? "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
And after the divorce, what then? Prenuptial agreements en masse maybe? I'd be curious as to know what the percentage of AIDS victims there are in the Islamic communities compared to that of the western societies... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
And after the divorce, what then? Prenuptial agreements en masse maybe? Have you googled for the statistical material available? My immediate guess is that the percentage of being exposed to HIV infections within marriage is considerably higher with multiple one hour marriages than with one year long marriage since the risk is increased with the numbers of sexual partners. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
My immediate guess is [snip] Considering that there are no laws on this subject in the western world, coupled with the fact that sex outside of wedlock is widely acceptable and divorce is not frowned upon... Wouldn't it be more accurate to make a comparison of an Islamic society to that of a promiscuous society? Reversing your figures dramatically... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Beethoven  Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 15274 Credit: 8,546 RAC: 0 |
And after the divorce, what then? Prenuptial agreements en masse maybe? Um, I think it has more to do with countries than with religions. There are many islamic communities in Africa, for example, and the HIV rates all over the continent are now horrendous. I remember speaking to black radicals in the United States in the early '70s, when AIDs was just starting to spread. They truly thought that the CIA had spread it among the gay and black communities to wipe them out! ID: 580399 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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My immediate guess is [snip] There ARE laws on sexuality in the Western world. While some have been repealed, there are still "blue laws" on some books, to my understanding. Look at Berkeley's posting rules. Where did they come from? Some have said we must be puritanical on this board. Why? Because of the large influence of Puritan thought on the early United States and how that still influences us today. Divorced is not frowned upon? Please tell that to my father when he divorced my mother in the 1970s. It was very painful for all of us and has ramifications even to this day. Some of his peers, including at the church (though, if I remember correctly, this did not include the pastor) DID frown upon my father for divorcing my mother. What about all the uproar about children born out of wedlock and single mothers? Remember good ol' Dan Quayle and "Murphy Brown"? These brief marriages described, if true ... how in the world would they help? The first thing I thought of when I read that was "single mothers." I mean, if the marriage is brief, where's the support of the father afterwards? Even if they're married briefly, say the woman gets pregnant but the marriage is dissolved before she gives birth. Isn't the child therefore born out of wedlock? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580403 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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And after the divorce, what then? Prenuptial agreements en masse maybe? Early 70's? Ummm, I think you mean early 80's ... ? Heck, we were thinking of "Legionnaire's Disease" in the mid- to late-70's. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580404 · |
Dune_Finkleberry  Send message Joined: 25 Feb 06 Posts: 6454 Credit: 198,656 RAC: 0
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And after the divorce, what then? Prenuptial agreements en masse maybe? Yeah there was many of us that were only thinking "Free Love" at the time.  Account frozen... ID: 580406 · |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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Early 70's? Am I wrong? Granted, I graduated high school in 1986, so I might not remember something or may have been too young to be aware of it. However, there are many things I WAS aware of in the early 70's. I remember Nixon's resignation and what my father was doing while watching the TV broadcast. I remember long lines at the gas pumps. That's why I am saying, as best as I can remember, AIDS was not known until the early or mid 80's, at least to the widespread general public. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580408 · |
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
[There ARE laws on sexuality in the Western world. I hate to call you on this one but, please show me them... If there were laws: Single parenthood wouldn't be on the rise... Teenage pregnancy wouldn't be on the rise... Divorce wouldn't be on the rise... And there sure wouldn't be so many single people in this country... Which is also, on the rise... People here prefer being single and having fun... And as you have said, they pay the price... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
in the 1970s. I thought that you of all people would recognize the vast differences between that generation and this generation... Although, there is one very obvious similarity despite their opposing classifications: What was called 'rebellion' back then is known as 'common practice' today... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Why is it that every time I speak, nobody answers... Yet immediately after I log out, my posts get flogged... Yea... I'm sooo on to you peeps... I'll be back in about 10 minutes to respond... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79
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Why is it that every time I speak, nobody answers... Yet immediately after I log out, my posts get flogged... Yea... I'm sooo on to you peeps... Ummm ... have you considered that not all of us are sitting here minute by minute watching the threads? (Yeah, I know, I've got some people watching what I do, too.) For those of not watching threads minute by minute, there are many explanations, not the least of which (in my case) is multi-tasking. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 580430 · |
Knightmare  Send message Joined: 16 Aug 04 Posts: 7472 Credit: 94,252 RAC: 0
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There ARE laws on sexuality in the Western world. Divorce wouldn't be on the rise... It's not. Per capita divorce rates 1990-2002: 1991, 0.47% 1992, 0.48% 1993, 0.46% 1994, 0.46% 1995, 0.46% 1995, 0.43% 1997, 0.43%, 1998, 0.42%, 1999, 0.41%, 2000, 0.41%, 2001, 0.40%, 2002, 0.38% Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained  Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome ID: 580439 · |
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