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 TomUrich  Send message Joined: 10 Feb 07 Posts: 1 Credit: 30,658 RAC: 0 
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Quick note as I gotta catch a bus.. Thanks, Matt. I've got results stuck in the Transfer Queue for over a week now and they stay at about 1.80% completed (??) What's up with that? - Tom ID: 569397 ·  |
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Raymond Auricchio Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 73,650 RAC: 0 
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Quick note as I gotta catch a bus.. mat please send this to jeff just a little before day light saveings time is when things started going down hill with work units and creddits also when the new server came on line i had a 2nd system i put on line i had down loded pleanty of work units but the new bonic on 2nd system needed 6 files to run that took days to get copying and copyright this one was in seti projects and 3 outhers libffw3f. but i bet you all ready know that sorry for bugging you just wanted to let you know happy hunting ID: 569401 · |
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Brian Silvers Send message Joined: 11 Jun 99 Posts: 1681 Credit: 492,052 RAC: 0
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I have had some PMs with someone and what they thought of sounds good, but with the open-sourceness, it could be hacked. Of course, those that would hack it would be significantly smaller in number to those who didn't...so it would likely work just fine. Also, I mentioned PacketShaper to Eric yesterday. He said he would ask Matt and Jeff... That's over in the blog (the "tuna fish" post)... ID: 569431 · |
Peter Söderlund  Send message Joined: 31 May 99 Posts: 33 Credit: 1,744,426 RAC: 0 
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Hi. I dont know is anybody else have the same problem that I have! When I goes to seti@home from the Boinc manager, I don't got the recent Web pages. The pages that opens is from the 13:th may??? ID: 569436 · |
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Michael Connolly Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 1,436,122 RAC: 32 
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There is "exponential backoff" built into the Boinc manager that is designed to avoid giving a Boinc project a DDoS from its own clients. Perhaps that feature needs to be looked at again... I've noticed this in the past, but since I started half an hour ago it's all been one minute backoffs like this: 17/05/2007 15:36:17|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: couldn't connect to server 17/05/2007 15:36:17|SETI@home|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds 17/05/2007 15:37:17|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi 17/05/2007 15:37:17|SETI@home|Reason: To report completed tasks 17/05/2007 15:37:17|SETI@home|Reporting 1 tasks ID: 569438 · |
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Mephist0 Send message Joined: 4 Dec 99 Posts: 12 Credit: 1,401,540 RAC: 0
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Quick note as I gotta catch a bus.. Just be patient.. It's because all traffic load... This morning (4 hours ago) everything was looking better, i got 3 new WU and done WU were reported to SETI.. But now something seemed to have happend again.. So just be patient... :) ID: 569464 · |
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Dr.Okun_@_SETI.USA Send message Joined: 15 Dec 06 Posts: 7 Credit: 149,128 RAC: 0
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Perhaps they should consider tabling astropulse and use that portion of the budget to purchase more servers. ID: 569470 · |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Perhaps they should consider tabling astropulse and use that portion of the budget to purchase more servers. I don't know much about the grant system over there, but AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956 (See at the bottom on the page). I don't think those who grant the grants would be happy if the receiving scientist transfer the money to other projects? I think money and hardware donations to this project is the way of helping out with the problems. So please donate. For money donations please click the links in my sig. Thank you. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Demiurg  Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0
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Perhaps they should consider tabling astropulse and use that portion of the budget to purchase more servers. Good morning Fuzzy! I never meant that they should transfer funds between projects. But that grant is in part helping with the infrastructure of the project. So keap on clicking below:-) Or ontop of me on the beautiful Sig of Fuzzy! It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 ID: 569496 · |
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Dr.Okun_@_SETI.USA Send message Joined: 15 Dec 06 Posts: 7 Credit: 149,128 RAC: 0
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Project/Task Subtotal Total SETI@home I $65,700 Offline Data Analysis & RFI Rejection $22,000 Candidate Identification 37,500 Followup Observations of Best Candidates 6,200 SETI@home II 149,200 New Client Application Software Development 98,800 Candidate Identification & Data Analysis Software 50,400 Astropulse ¹ 92,700 Client application/data analysis software development 45,000 Equipment: Database and server hardware 19,400 Candidate identification and followup observations 28,300 Operations 230,400 Internet connection and bandwidth charges 59,700 Database administration and support 48,500 Systems administration and support 62,800 Server maintainence and preformance monitoring 20,900 Web site development 25,200 Upgrade to failure tolerant server configuration 13,300 Total 538,000 Astropulse The current SETI@home application looks for signals that are narrow in frequency, but have long duration. That's one way that an extraterrestrial civilization can send a signal that stands up above the radio background noise. Another possibility is that they could put a lot of power into a short duration pulsed signal that has a wide bandwidth. As such a pulse travels through intestellar space, interactions with interstellar matter slow down low frequencies relative to high frequencies in a process called dispersion. This dispersion spreads the pulse out over time. If we know how much dispersion a pulse has experienced, we can correct for this effect. For an extraterrestrial signal we won't know how much interstellar matter the signal interacted with on its journey, therefore we have to try every possible dispersion measure. That takes a lot of computing time. Astropulse is a SETI@home application that uses coherent dedispersion to search for pulsed signals. In addition to extraterrestrial signals we might see signs of evaporating black holes or discover new pulsars. You can read more about Astropulse here . Both Astropulse AND current seti@home use the same servers, perhaps they both benefit if not having to go down due to equipment failure. I am sure the NSF assumed the computers were functional when they funded the project and that they would need upgrading at some point. Has anyone attempted to gain new funding from the NSF for server upgrades? ID: 569498 · |
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Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0
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Total I was talking about grants this morning with some american collegues working while I was down in CERN. In europe it takes about half a year to get a grant and if I understod correctly an NSF-grant takes way longer. SO I guess they might go for a renewed grant in the end but... For the time being do this:-) Tickle my link you little naughties! It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 ID: 569503 · |
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bress Send message Joined: 7 Apr 01 Posts: 3 Credit: 191,118 RAC: 0
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Looks as though everything is back to normal, uploading and downloading no problems here. Well done chaps. unfortunately different from what i experience here... seems like yesterday evening one of my machines was able to upload two WUs, but none was able to download new work. additionally, the "uploaded" work seems to have disappeared, at least i can't find any clue in my stats... so i just can hope, the WUs are at least somewhere in the system and that last week's work hasn't been for nothing... keeping my fingers crossed for the guys doing a damn good job solving this avalanche of problems... ID: 569524 · |
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Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0
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Quick note as I gotta catch a bus.. Upload transfers start with a POST of about 283 bytes telling the server which result is being sent, if the upload server says OK then the actual result file is POSTed. The 1.80% probably indicates that initial part was sent and your BOINC core client is for some unknown reason still waiting for the upload server to reply. That should time out in a few minutes, but I've seen a few other posts indicating it sometimes doesn't. I suggest temporarily changing to "No network activity" to clear those stuck transfers, then back to the normal setting. Joe ID: 569545 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
... Yes, and the scientist Eric Korpela is managing both, Astropulse is solely his baby though. I know for sure that they have applied for grants, with no luck. Seti@Home hasn't got any grants for year, where BOINC is relatively well funded. Back in January I posted this on several teamboards: From here Eric Korpela, Forum moderator, Project administrator,Project developer,Project scientist, explains: Whoa.... Been reading the thread. I wasn't aware that Seti was in such dire straits. I guess I assumed that most of Seti was backed by Universities and grants. First we need to make the distinction between SETI@home and SETI. SETI is not an organization, SETI is a field of study. There is no centralized organization running SETI efforts. You may have heard of the SETI Institute. They are not SETI. In fact, most of the people working there have never done any SETI related work. SETI@home is one SETI project run by the UC Berkeley SETI group. In terms of scientific staff, the Berkeley SETI group is me and Dan Werthimer. Matt Lebofsky and Jeff Cobb form the remainder of the staff. David Anderson is running the BOINC program and advises SETI@home. We have a systems adminsitrator that that is leaving on tuesday because (even if we had ample money) the pay rates for systems administrators at the University don't come close to matching private industry. And we aren't allowed to pay more than the University will let us. (Actually is the state that prevents us from giving raises. Even though we aren't funded through taxes, the University considers us to be part of the overall budget) That's it, really. 5 people. Less than 3 FTEs. SETI@home is entirely funded by donations. Most of these donations come from people who also run SETI@home. Universities don't really "back" anybody. Faculty at Univerisities and expected to bring in their own funding. If Dan and I don't bring in money, we don't get paid, but we still keep our jobs (without pay). Matt and Jeff get a pink slip. In exchange for a cut of that funding, the universities provide offices and keep the lights on. The NSF and NASA currently do not fund any SETI observing programs. At least none that I am aware of. Nor does any other government agency. We submit grant applications to the NSF Galactic Astronomy program, but we are unlikely to get funding. The sorry truth is that the $500,000 per year needed to keep SETI@home running is very large fraction the entire annual NSF Galactic Astronomy budget. The proposals are reviewed by other Astronomers, none of whom work on SETI. They naturally would prefer that the funding remain in the areas of astronomy in which they work. These are also predominantly astronomers who are Professors who get paid by the University for "teaching" in during the school year. (Even though the bulk of astronomy professors rarely teach). Therefore they frown upon paying "senior personnel" with the money they control. And because of earmarks that happened last year, the NSF Astronomy budget is getting squeezed. Previously SETI@home was funded by corporate donations and matching funds a state program run by the UC Office of the President. SETI@home does not currently have any corporate donors that provide financial donations. Therefore we are entirely dependent on donation which predominantly come from people who run SETI@home. Regarding to potential of finding wealthy sponsors. We, unfortunately, are forbidden from contacting most wealthy individuals directly unless we have a current relationship with them (i.e. they run SETI@home) or if they contact us. This policy is set by the U.C. Office of the President because the U.C. President prefers to direct such funding toward projects he wants funded. (i.e. a new business school, a new building for biological sciences, whatever else the president wants as his legacy). Funding SETI@home won't get the U.C. President a statue on Sproul plaza. Many wealthy donors to the University also want a lasting (concrete) legacy. Funding projects rather than buildings doesn't really cause letters to appear in granite cornerstones. I was under the assumption that it was managed by people skilled in the area of management. Dan and I have many, many years of experience in project management. The other half of my time, I'm an ultraviolet astronomer that manages the development of instruments for space missions. Being a skilled project manager doesn't help when you can't afford to pay people. You can't hire people until you have enough money to pay then. The University is pretty strict about that. Why donate to a project when the core business or mission isn't being looked after. On the other hand, there is a need to introduce something new to entice more funding which in turn will provide the needs to return to the original mission. I think you are seeing it pretty well. Unfortunately with a staff of 3 FTEs we end up chasing fires a lot of the time rather than doing new things, and without money we can't hire more staff. Server outages are bad press, so keeping them running is high on the priority list (and is certainly part of the core mission). We will have some new things to announce this year, but how many and when is a question I can't yet answer. -- Eric _______________________________________________________________ I mailed Dr. Anderson and asked him for a statement to post here as a comment to this, and he was so kind to answer me. Dr. David Anderson said: To Eric's excellent post, I would only add: 1) SETI@home's scientific progress is limited by money, and it has made slow progress in the last several years. To each BOINC participant: carefully examine the list of volunteer computing projects, and decide which of them is doing the most good. (This is a personal decision - it depends on your beliefs and values). By promoting the idea of "cross-project" credit totals, we have tried to eliminate the incentive to stick with one project indefinitely. And also, in response to some of the posts: 2) Buying items from the SETI@home store brings a small amount of money to SETI@home, but it is much more cost-effective to contribute directly. -- David ________________________________________________________ Thank you David for taking the time for this. It's very much appreciated. For your info, the questions about items bought in the Seti store was brought up on the BOINC Synergy forum, which I linked to him to see, so he addressed this also. I hope this answers your questions. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
I just got a message telling that there is a proposal deadline at the end of this month and again in the end of June. So while they are working very hard on solving the problems here, they also need to take time off to write the proposals for grants. So, for the staff here:  "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Dingo  Send message Joined: 28 Jun 99 Posts: 104 Credit: 16,364,896 RAC: 1 
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zombie67 [MM]  Send message Joined: 22 Apr 04 Posts: 758 Credit: 27,771,894 RAC: 0
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Looks as though everything is back to normal, uploading and downloading no problems here. Well done chaps. Wait... You got WUs to *download*? I haven't received anything but "internal error" or "out of work". I assumed that downloads were turned off for the time being. Dublin, California Team: SETI.USA 
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ofp1 Send message Joined: 5 Jan 01 Posts: 5 Credit: 59,369,927 RAC: 0 
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Quick note as I gotta catch a bus.. Thanks for your dedication just do what you have to do to solve the problems ... Some of my machines have downloaded Wu's and are crunching, many results have uploaded but are in the pending credit list ID: 569602 · |
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bress Send message Joined: 7 Apr 01 Posts: 3 Credit: 191,118 RAC: 0
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Looks as though everything is back to normal, uploading and downloading no problems here. Well done chaps. okay guys, forget about the thing with "disappeared" WUs... haven't been doing anything with S@H for a long time, didn't see the "credit pending" in my stats... O;-) ID: 569634 · |
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