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Message 550497 - Posted: 21 Apr 2007, 22:13:40 UTC

WHAT IS THE BEST CPU FOR SETI? I WILL BE BUILDING A NEW COMPUTER SOON AND WILL BE RUNNING WITH WIN XP.
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Message 550502 - Posted: 21 Apr 2007, 22:19:32 UTC - in response to Message 550497.  
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WHAT IS THE BEST CPU FOR SETI? I WILL BE BUILDING A NEW COMPUTER SOON AND WILL BE RUNNING WITH WIN XP.


Depends on your budget. My reccomendation would be the best Core 2 based system you can afford.
Or look at the Top Computers top 100 list, that should give you some clues.

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Message 550505 - Posted: 21 Apr 2007, 22:34:05 UTC

yeah i'm with the kitties owner..its all depending on your budget.
the best system would include the best:
motherboard,
cpu(s),
ram,
hard drive(s),
cooling,
optical drives,
case
and
operating system.
none of which are cheap.

right now..Intel is the way to go....6 months from now..it may be AMD
computers are like cars..
the second you drive off the carlot..they are used...or obsolete.

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Message 550529 - Posted: 21 Apr 2007, 23:19:26 UTC

Definitely go with a Core 2 if you can afford it. There is a wide range of performance/price options for this excellent architecture.
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Message 553452 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 17:35:53 UTC

remember that a systems backbone is the mother brd, get a good M/B and Ram and you shouldnt have a problem.

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Message 553455 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 17:40:20 UTC

Here's a few items that will make Up My next cruncher:

E4300 cpu
GA-965P-DS3
OCZ PC2-6400 Platinum
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Message 553465 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 18:12:30 UTC - in response to Message 553455.  

Here's a few items that will make Up My next cruncher:

E4300 cpu
GA-965P-DS3
OCZ PC2-6400 Platinum


Going for an overclock eh?

I wish I had the money to put into something, but I don't...
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Message 553489 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 19:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 553465.  
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Here's a few items that will make Up My next cruncher:

E4300 cpu
GA-965P-DS3
OCZ PC2-6400 Platinum


Going for an overclock eh?

I wish I had the money to put into something, but I don't...

Well I have the motherboard, The CPU will take a couple months and the 1GB ram will too, Even if each costs about $120/$115 on ebay that is still 4 or 5 months with My fixed income and I'm getting parts for a 6th PC too, But that will take a while longer(I have 5 out of 11 parts for the 6th PC). Of course for the time being I'll be using some OCZ PC2-8000 Gold(2GB) in PC5 while I save up for the PC2-6400 ram.
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Message 553491 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 19:15:45 UTC

Go AMD
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Message 553504 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 19:54:19 UTC - in response to Message 553491.  

Go AMD


The best placed AMD based system at the moment is only in 97th place out of 100. There are no others for a very long way after that. That is hardly a good recomendation for the Best for SETI at the moment.

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Message 553519 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 20:23:23 UTC - in response to Message 553491.  
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Go AMD


Intel rules, While AMD sadly just drools, And I have two AMD based PCs, Just one of My two QX6700 PCs outrun the two AMDs by themselves or combined. 3 AMD cpus(1-165 and 2-270 cpus all overclocked) vs 1 QX6700 cpu.
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Message 553532 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 20:39:31 UTC - in response to Message 553519.  

Go AMD


Intel rules, While AMD sadly just drools, And I have two AMD based PCs, Just one of My two QX6700 PCs outrun the two AMDs by themselves or combined. 3 AMD cpus(1-165 and 2-270 cpus all overclocked) vs 1 QX6700 cpu.


If you're looking to upgrade systems and feel that the AMD is inferior, I could certainly find a home for your Opty-165 ;-) Looks like you got it up to 2.6, so I may be able to get it to 2.75 just like my 3700+...
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Message 553534 - Posted: 25 Apr 2007, 20:43:00 UTC
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Before anyone says "the questions about seti". I know, I know

I keep hearing Intels the best...yada yada. However, there aren't any optimized apps to take advantage of the AMD's capabilities to their maximum like there is for intel. Thank IPP ICC and whatever else they call it.

However, if thing were more even in that regard, I wonder just how much better an intel would be?? Hmmm, ABC has 64b apps for linux. There are 64b versions of boinc for linux, and onesize fits all linux app for AMD and Intel. Ever look at the Top Computers at ABC. They have fixed credits which take benchmarks out of the equation. Except for quad cores and ONE 6700, AMDs rule the roost. AMD64 X2 4600-6000 all beat the core2 duo 6600.

An even race here would be interesting.

It's kinda like a stock car race where only one type of engine can remove the restrictor plate. yeah, that's fair.
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Message 553789 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007, 1:44:49 UTC - in response to Message 553532.  

Go AMD


Intel rules, While AMD sadly just drools, And I have two AMD based PCs, Just one of My two QX6700 PCs outrun the two AMDs by themselves or combined. 3 AMD cpus(1-165 and 2-270 cpus all overclocked) vs 1 QX6700 cpu.


If you're looking to upgrade systems and feel that the AMD is inferior, I could certainly find a home for your Opty-165 ;-) Looks like you got it up to 2.6, so I may be able to get it to 2.75 just like my 3700+...

It's just slower. Besides It does pull It's weight and I can't afford to upgrade as It would need almost all except the case, hdd and odd replaced, psu too would possibly do but I don't know really. So I'd need a cpu(e4300, $130 on ebay), heatsink($75.00, If the XP120 can't be adapted to LGA775) that can use a 120x38mm fan and a video card(NX6200TC, $25 on ebay) as I could scrounge a motherboard(GA-965P-DS3) when It comes back from RMA, But You wouldn't want to spend that much as the cpu comes with a MSI K8T Neo2-F v1.0 motherboard and 1GB of PQI PC3200 DDR ram(2x512MB). The heatsink is an Thermalright XP120 heatsink w/a 150cfm 120mm fan, I may be able to reuse that as there is or should be a LGA775 adapter still for It(It's an OLD heatsink now).
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Message 553811 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007, 2:07:07 UTC - in response to Message 553789.  


So I'd need a cpu(e4300, $130 on ebay),


I never trust ebay because of bad experiences of other people, not to mention it is currently $121 with free 3-day shipping on Newegg

heatsink($75.00, If the XP120 can't be adapted to LGA775) that can use a 120x38mm fan


Per Thermalright's web site, they state that with the adapter, they have not found a motherboard yet it will not fit...

Oh, and yeah, I figured your oc was limited by the memory... I have the OCZ PC-4000 EB Platinum 2GB kit... :-)
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Message 553832 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007, 2:30:15 UTC - in response to Message 553811.  
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So I'd need a cpu(e4300, $130 on ebay),


I never trust ebay because of bad experiences of other people, not to mention it is currently $121 with free 3-day shipping on Newegg

heatsink($75.00, If the XP120 can't be adapted to LGA775) that can use a 120x38mm fan


Per Thermalrights web site, they state that with the adapter, they have not found a motherboard yet it will not fit...

Oh, and yeah, I figured your oc was limited by the memory... I have the OCZ PC-4000 EB Platinum 2GB kit... :-)

That is If Thermalright still has the LGA775 RM adapter, As It is compatible with the XP120, SI-120 and the XP90 only and all 3 are not made anymore, Still for $5 plus what ever It is cheaper, If It still exists that is. It would take Me close to 3 months to replace the cpu and get the RM adapter as My extra Money is committed until June, after that I could start on that. Longer of course If the RM is out of stock. I emailed them about the RM. Oh and I've had the cpu up to 2.8GHz with faster ram(1 512MB stick of Patriot).
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Message 553845 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007, 2:45:21 UTC - in response to Message 553534.  

Before anyone says "the questions about seti". I know, I know

I keep hearing Intels the best...yada yada. However, there aren't any optimized apps to take advantage of the AMD's capabilities to their maximum like there is for intel. Thank IPP ICC and whatever else they call it.

However, if thing were more even in that regard, I wonder just how much better an intel would be?? Hmmm, ABC has 64b apps for linux. There are 64b versions of boinc for linux, and onesize fits all linux app for AMD and Intel. Ever look at the Top Computers at ABC. They have fixed credits which take benchmarks out of the equation. Except for quad cores and ONE 6700, AMDs rule the roost. AMD64 X2 4600-6000 all beat the core2 duo 6600.

An even race here would be interesting.

It's kinda like a stock car race where only one type of engine can remove the restrictor plate. yeah, that's fair.

Of course you are right again, Tony. But for Seti the problem with AMD's as far as I can see is not the lack of a specific AMD optimisation, but a lack of L2 cache.
But to back up your claim about AMD's being OK, on Einstein, until the release or S5R2, a six year old AMD 2000+ could keep up with a Pentium M. Here, on Seti, the Pent M, with chicken soup, does over twice as much work.

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Message 554002 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007, 6:07:06 UTC - in response to Message 550497.  

WHAT IS THE BEST CPU FOR SETI? I WILL BE BUILDING A NEW COMPUTER SOON AND WILL BE RUNNING WITH WIN XP.


If money is no object, I'd suggest waiting a few months for AMD socket F M/b's and Opteronâ„¢ CPU's to become available (just think - 2 quad core chips in one box - should out-process all the IBM mainframes I ever worked on, back in the 80's!)

If you don't have the OS yet, try to find an x64 copy of XP Pro. (Make sure that all of your hardware has drivers available for X64, though!)
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Message 554013 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007, 6:21:49 UTC - in response to Message 553789.  
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Go AMD


Intel rules, While AMD sadly just drools, And I have two AMD based PCs, Just one of My two QX6700 PCs outrun the two AMDs by themselves or combined. 3 AMD cpus(1-165 and 2-270 cpus all overclocked) vs 1 QX6700 cpu.


If you're looking to upgrade systems and feel that the AMD is inferior, I could certainly find a home for your Opty-165 ;-) Looks like you got it up to 2.6, so I may be able to get it to 2.75 just like my 3700+...

It's just slower. Besides It does pull It's weight and I can't afford to upgrade as It would need almost all except the case, hdd and odd replaced, psu too would possibly do but I don't know really. So I'd need a cpu(e4300, $130 on ebay), heatsink($75.00, If the XP120 can't be adapted to LGA775) that can use a 120x38mm fan and a video card(NX6200TC, $25 on ebay) as I could scrounge a motherboard(GA-965P-DS3) when It comes back from RMA, But You wouldn't want to spend that much as the cpu comes with a MSI K8T Neo2-F v1.0 motherboard and 1GB of PQI PC3200 DDR ram(2x512MB). The heatsink is an Thermalright XP120 heatsink w/a 150cfm 120mm fan, I may be able to reuse that as there is or should be a LGA775 adapter still for It(It's an OLD heatsink now).


Remember that Opteronâ„¢'s are underclocked Athlonâ„¢-64's. The Opty-165 (which I run - it was all I could find when I got the money together, [money was an object for me] that would fit my [already purchased] M/b) is almost exactly the same as the A64 2200, (minor differences to make the chip clock correctly) but runs at 1.8 Ghz, (if not overclocked, of course) instead of 2.2. The Opty's were delibrately underclocked by AMD to give servers more reliability...

My Opty system is:
Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 M/b
AMD Opteronâ„¢ - 165
2x 512Mb Kingston PC-3200 DDR(1 MB total)


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Message 554016 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007, 6:27:42 UTC - in response to Message 554002.  
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WHAT IS THE BEST CPU FOR SETI? I WILL BE BUILDING A NEW COMPUTER SOON AND WILL BE RUNNING WITH WIN XP.


If money is no object, I'd suggest waiting a few months for AMD socket F M/b's and Opteronâ„¢ CPU's to become available (just think - 2 quad core chips in one box - should out-process all the IBM mainframes I ever worked on, back in the 80's!)

If you don't have the OS yet, try to find an x64 copy of XP Pro. (Make sure that all of your hardware has drivers available for X64, though!)


Working on just that, already picked out the board(not too hard, there's only one atm, heh). Going with water cooling, gonna see how far you can push it. I'm going with 64b Linux though, XP doesn't really take advantage of NUMA that AMD chips use. I've heard Vista does, but I wouldn't even put that on someone elses computer atm, let alone my own.
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