wtf???!!!

This is pathetic.
I haven't been here in months and it's the SSDD!!

jeffrey's STILL a one-track...uh, 'mind' and other people are STILL trying to talk sense! What is a thread liek this doing here in a science pursuit like SETI?! I ask you - honestly?!?

Man I was right to just drop this place.

It's like nobody has learned ANYTHING AT ALL.

How many went out and read 'Demon Haunted World'?
I'm sure Jeffrey didn't, because it was a proof he'd asked for long ago, and then ignores every time I bring it up!

But aside from him, did anyone else get hold of it and massage their brains??!!

Chuck, if this thread causes you distress, just don't read or post in it. You sound like the people who argue against the Playboy channel on cable, totally ignoring the fact that if you don't pay for it, you can't watch it. Don't get me wrong, I think porn is not good, but my reasons for that position are based on societal and moral grounds.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

wtf???!!!

This is pathetic... What is a thread like this doing here in a science pursuit like SETI?! I ask you - honestly?!?

Hm, if you feel uncomfortable with the topic of most of the posts in this thread, I think it would help if you read its title. There is written in bold letters Religious Thread
That means, that the entire subject here is about religion, means faith, believe, etc.

If you want to read threads of pure science, you may have a look at the Science Forum.
In Cafe SETI, you can find a lot of threads just slightly if ever connected to science.

But you may wonder: It's not a sign of lacking intelligence to believe in God or to belong to a religion. Kepler, Galilei, Copernicus, Leibniz, Pascal and many others were Christians. People who believed in God, and saw their inventions or discoveries as a proof or as a sign for the existence of God. That their inventions or discoveries did not fit into the views of their CHURCH, that is another problem. Churches are organizations, and can be misuse their power over their members like other organization too.

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Careful now... He's a feisty one... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

leave chuck alone now...he has a right to speak his peace whether we like what he says or not.

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he has a right to speak his peace

Another oxymoron??? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

he has a right to speak his peace

Another oxymoron??? ;)

jeffrey...yes. sometimes you too give me a chuckle.

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wtf???!!!

This is pathetic.
I haven't been here in months and it's the SSDD!!

jeffrey's STILL a one-track...uh, 'mind' and other people are STILL trying to talk sense! What is a thread liek this doing here in a science pursuit like SETI?! I ask you - honestly?!?

Man I was right to just drop this place.

It's like nobody has learned ANYTHING AT ALL.

How many went out and read 'Demon Haunted World'?
I'm sure Jeffrey didn't, because it was a proof he'd asked for long ago, and then ignores every time I bring it up!

But aside from him, did anyone else get hold of it and massage their brains??!!

There is a science forum for science topics, but this forum has a wide range of threads, some serious and some not. If you don't want to contribute to this topic then don't, but this thread has over 700 posts and it looks like this is the ninth time it's been started, so there are a few people who disagree with you.

By the way, someone thought I was you. I am sorry to lay that insult on you. Go with God.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack... ;)

Jeffrey, didn't you say you missed this guy? Or were you being sarcastic? It's hard to tell sometimes on the internet if someone is being serious or not, but he doesn't seem to like your positions/posts very much.

wtf???!!!

This is pathetic.
I haven't been here in months and it's the SSDD!!

jeffrey's STILL a one-track...uh, 'mind' and other people are STILL trying to talk sense! What is a thread liek this doing here in a science pursuit like SETI?! I ask you - honestly?!?

Man I was right to just drop this place.

It's like nobody has learned ANYTHING AT ALL.

How many went out and read 'Demon Haunted World'?
I'm sure Jeffrey didn't, because it was a proof he'd asked for long ago, and then ignores every time I bring it up!

But aside from him, did anyone else get hold of it and massage their brains??!!

Yes, chuck. I read that years ago. It's a good piece of layman's common sense epistemology. And?
Look. I'm afraid you have to accept the fact that you're surrounded by people that disagree with you and your 'science'. And don't forget, you've got a nice big fat chunk of conceptual irrationalism in your psyche, chuck. Good old fashioned new age enviornmentalism and altruism . Don't be surprised when people are dissuaded from your points of view when the implications of your ideas are essentially self sacrifice and misery for your fellow man...as a prescription no less.

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Jeffrey, didn't you say you missed this guy?

People who preach that you don't need God to live a moral life while exhibiting extreme amoral behavior can be quite entertaining... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Jeffrey, didn't you say you missed this guy?

People who preach that you don't need God to live a moral life while exhibiting extreme amoral behavior can be quite entertaining... ;)

I had to look for the post, but it had this same emoticon " ;) " which I have learned means sarcasm, I think. I guess I missed it before.

it had this same emoticon " ;) " which I have learned means sarcasm

Not always... For me, it's more like a signature... I like to keep people on their toes... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Jeffrey, didn't you say you missed this guy?

People who preach that you don't need God to live a moral life while exhibiting extreme amoral behavior can be quite entertaining... ;)

In the interest of equal time, and aside from the religious issues, all are capable of amoral behavior. The only example from the person you refer to is, as Es put it, bloody-mindedness ... making the same point over and over, being rude to people who disagree with him on ONE issue, and rarely conceding a point. (Only the one in bold comes anywhere close to amorality.) He has also provided examples that, if true, do indicate guidance from some moral compass.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

"The Goal of Science is understanding lawful relations among natural phenomena.
Religion is a way of life within a larger framework of meaning."
(Ian Barbour, "Religion and Science," pg. 204)

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Science can purify religion from error and superstition;
religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes.
Each can draw the other into a wider world, a world in which both can flourish....
We need each other to be what we must be, what we are called to be." (-Pope John Paul II)

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"The Goal of Science is understanding lawful relations among natural phenomena.
Religion is a way of life within a larger framework of meaning."
(Ian Barbour, "Religion and Science," pg. 204)

Saw that in the other thread.
Careful, when I do posts like that, repeating in a few threads, people get up in arms and mods delete all or all but one of the posts.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

"The Goal of Science is understanding lawful relations among natural phenomena.
Religion is a way of life within a larger framework of meaning."
(Ian Barbour, "Religion and Science," pg. 204)

Saw that in the other thread.
Careful, when I do posts like that, repeating in a few threads, people get up in arms and mods delete all or all but one of the posts.

Thanks for the head up did no which area to post so I posted in both

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Jeffrey, didn't you say you missed this guy?

People who preach that you don't need God to live a moral life while exhibiting extreme amoral behavior can be quite entertaining... ;)

In the interest of equal time, and aside from the religious issues, all are capable of amoral behavior. The only example from the person you refer to is, as Es put it, bloody-mindedness ... making the same point over and over, being rude to people who disagree with him on ONE issue, and rarely conceding a point. (Only the one in bold comes anywhere close to amorality.) He has also provided examples that, if true, do indicate guidance from some moral compass.

Sarge, perhaps if you rethought this entire post of yours, checked your definitions, reexamined your concepts and reposted it it would make sense.

'amoral'? Probably here you mean 'immoral'. Once you read through it I think you'll easily detect its flaws. I won't rewrite it for you of course.

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

"The Goal of Science is understanding lawful relations among natural phenomena.
Religion is a way of life within a larger framework of meaning."
(Ian Barbour, "Religion and Science," pg. 204)

A sloppy thinker.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!