Say what you want about my comments on CNET, I'm not going to help in any shape or form with GR I don't need to I am happy with my current choice of AMS

All my comments on the CNET article are true, if you don't like them then its tuff, aint my problem one bit! You should never allowed the article to be published until you came out of testing phase and made sure every thing was fine & dandy, but no you have jumped the gun big time there.

Carry on your work I will carry on my opinions and postings

Thank you very much (free country after all)

Edit: Also the info I made on the CNET article is based on the limited information I have been able to piece together, before blaming anyone else get your own house in order and provide people with information rather then leaving people to do guess work. The article could have explained things better, your website should have all the answers on there, buts there's nothing at all. So what do you expect users of BOINC to do just sit around quietly trying to work things out?

Have a good night ;)

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Constructive criticism is something that's always useful - however, please try and keep it constructive and not offensive/destructive.

Expressing your opinion is not wrong, but wording your opinion offensively only serves to stir trouble. Not being the person responsible for GR means you don't have all the facts - hence, you would probably do well to find out whether your facts are correct or not before you post about how bad everything is.

Also, from the looks of it, GR are pretty responsive (see Matt's post and the email you pasted), so where's the big problem? Please, recognize that by constructive criticism you could help improve thing instead of help destroy them.

Always remember these are non-profit projects, driven by people who devote massive amounts of time and money for no monetary return at all - if everyone just told them how useless they are, guess how many there would be.

Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution ;o)

Regards,
Simon.

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See my edit in message above, GR should provide info keeping people in the dark is no good at all, hence my comments on the CNET article

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Exactly the point - you emailed GR and got a response that they're working on it - what more can you reasonably expect? Then posting about how they haven't done it yet right away hardly seems fair.

The title of the thread here also isn't very inoffensive, either...

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Exactly the point - you emailed GR and got a response that they're working on it - what more can you reasonably expect? Then posting about how they haven't done it yet right away hardly seems fair.

The title of the thread here also isn't very inoffensive, either...

Regards,
Simon.

Title of the thread has nothing to do with me!!

I don't see a post in here from me saying they have not fixed anything I asked about I see a copy of the email I got back that's all

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Er,
posting includes on other sites as CNET for example ;o)

Anyway, I'm sure Matt/GR will get things up to speed given enough time to do so.

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Er,
posting includes on other sites as CNET for example ;o)

Anyway, I'm sure Matt/GR will get things up to speed given enough time to do so.

Regardsm,
Simon.

Already explained CNET, that post was before any e-mails and was also based on what was know at the time, the whole point of commenting on an article is to inform others of the good, bad & the ugly. In my case I reported all the bad things about it that people may wish to consider before using the service. I'm sure there are many good things about the service but I was not interested in pointing those out, someone else can post the good points to the CNET article if they so wish.

Edit: Now off to bed am tired

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"I'm sure there are many good things about the service but I was not interested in pointing those out"

About par for the course.

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Hello Matt,

I just want to quote an answer of one of the devs of BAM! here. As Willy is on holiday now, he can't answer yet I suppose.
So here's Rytis:

Duh. I will only comment on one part of that email response, about GR completely designing the system, using lots of money, and Willy just taking and using it.

It's not like we haven't put a finger at BOINC code. There were a bunch of issues reported to David Anderson, there were a few fixed by us. We even contributed to the design (for example, previous_host_cpid that allows to match the host after attaching it to a new project). We made notices to them about some nonsense elements in the design, like, reading preferences from the projects but not directly from BAM (yeah, they were declined). We did not even think about ANY MONEY for doing that.

Now he claims he's done all the work? And the point that "he has used lot's money on it" just does not seem right. Yeah, if you're stating that you worked for two years every day (i'm guessing less than five minutes/day, judging on the results) and not doing anything else to earn the money, yeah, why not, you're using it! And how can two people (Willy mainly coding and I supplying initial technical details about BOINC system and primary testing) create a product that is comparable (or even better, but it's for you to judge the level) without even thinking about money?

Matt, if you're reading this. Don't be offended, but you'd better have used the money that you got (just speculating, I'm not sure if I know the details) after your father's death for DIRECTLY influencing some project that works on cancer research, and NOT trying to steal work from others (hint: no mention of BOINC apart from the small note at the bottom of the page; but I'm sure you'll change it) and claim it to be yours.

All in all, GR needs work. As do BAM!. Just I don't really like your position of GR being a cure for all diseases.

Just my two cents, I hope noone was offended by this long post.

AFAIK you went public, with all these ridiculous wrong numbers pretending beeing big on your page, and just some minor footnotes regarding BOINC, the real workhorse. That's what I called fake in the title, and will continue to call fake until you change this.
I've seen it before, in the starting weeks of BAM!-testing, but refrained to comment, as you were not open then, and I thought you will changes this shameless bragging before going public. You didn't, and so I called how I see you: a pretender, afake, someone living off other peoples merits.

What are the real numbers of people using your branded BOINC?
How many hosts really have it working?
Why didn't you take this bogus numbers from your page before going public?
When will you give BOINC the prominent spot on the pages it deserves?

AFAIK you went public, with all these ridiculous wrong numbers pretending beeing big on your page, and just some minor footnotes regarding BOINC, the real workhorse. That's what I called fake in the title, and will continue to call fake until you change this.
I've seen it before, in the starting weeks of BAM!-testing, but refrained to comment, as you were not open then, and I thought you will changes this shameless bragging before going public. You didn't, and so I called how I see you: a pretender, afake, someone living off other peoples merits.

What are the real numbers of people using your branded BOINC?
How many hosts really have it working?
Why didn't you take this bogus numbers from your page before going public?
When will you give BOINC the prominent spot on the pages it deserves?

This is the answer I got from Matt yesterday late:

fixing this is a bit harder than it looks. there are a couple more immediately pressing functional issues we need to address, so i hope everyone will allow a modicum of patience as we manage all the issues that confront us (which are numerous) with the resources we have available (which are few).
best wishes,
...matt

Sorry to say that I'm fanning the flames.

www.irs.gov has a listing of 501c3 charitable corporations that is searchable.
Grid Republic is not in their registry.

Perhaps the Grid Republic people would like to address this "issue"?

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Sorry to say that I'm fanning the flames.

www.irs.gov has a listing of 501c3 charitable corporations that is searchable.
Grid Republic is not in their registry.

Perhaps the Grid Republic people would like to address this "issue"?

GR could be DBA and the actual corporate name registered with IRS could be different.

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I notice on their frontpage they have 970,300 users.

Hm, there are only 770,161 total users of BOINC spread over all the BOINC projects.

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Not being here lately much but anyway...

I think going public in alpha stage was too soon {that's what I consider GR now since even some basic functions are not implemented yet).

we all have the same goals: to increase participation in volunteer distributed computing.

Well sayd and I totally agree. We should keep that on mind all the time.
The website may be catchy and attract a lot of people - when GR is ready. Providing very limited funcionality and wrong numbers by factor of 1000 (?!) may actually give BAD reputation to GR and consequently to BOINC as a whole.

I consider CNET article as premature, wrongly timed.

BOINC being open source, having BAM! way more mature... - it makes me wonder why to invent and spend money and time for something that is already invented, tested, wroking and used by public BOINC users?

Perhaps more cooperation is needed...

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...having BAM! way more mature... - it makes me wonder why to invent and spend money and time for something that is already invented...

Do not forget, it was the other way, GR started the AM idea, it's only getting late.
And why? Maybe to keep variety and create different ideas and avoid monopoly? :-) (although I do believe in BAM! being very good and mature)

Perhaps more cooperation is needed...

Sure! To avoid such unnecessary wars.

Peter

...having BAM! way more mature... - it makes me wonder why to invent and spend money and time for something that is already invented...

Do not forget, it was the other way, GR started the AM idea, it's only getting late.
And why? Maybe to keep variety and create different ideas and avoid monopoly? :-) (although I do believe in BAM! being very good and mature)

Perhaps more cooperation is needed...

Sure! To avoid such unnecessary wars.

Peter

I don't know whether and when the AMS capabilities were implemented in BOINC. The first client I used in the beta testing of Willys BAM! was a branded version by CPND. Talk about web managability of BOINC was quite a longstanding issue here on this pages, not from the very beginning, but not too far afterwards.
I'm no subscriber of the BOINC_dev mailing list, far too much IT-stuff for me. I'm as well only sporadic on the BOINC boards. So I don't really know who wanted what and helped how in the past. I was one of the first with BAM!, because Willy asked us translators first to try it out, and obviously some @CPDN had done work as well.

For me as a non-nerd cruncher it seems not that hard to implement, as every interaction between the project and me is done through web interfaces, so why not join all this, shouldn't be that hard to do. Talk with the client is some other stuff, but as BoincView does something similar (remote control via network), it's not that far fetched as well. A bit coding and testing, arranging of standard interfaces, and that's it.

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I don't have anything against lots of AMS, imho every bigger team should have one. (No, I won't implement it for S.G, as I don't know nothing about programming;) It's a good feature, and I don't think Berkeley should do it, it's a part the community has to deliver, like the stats.

I don't know whether and when the AMS capabilities were implemented in BOINC. The first client I used in the beta testing of Willys BAM! was a branded version by CPND.

I remembered something like the middle of last year. But the oldest notes I was able to find were dated to January 2005.

Peter

THe first mention of either on the Boinc Dev or Alpha mail lists is dated Dec 19th 2005 by Rom Walton.

Rom Walton to boinc_alpha
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Howdy Folks,

For those who are closely watching the download folder, you do not
need to worry about testing this release. This release was for the
GridRepublic folks to test some API changes.

When we are further along we'll start the next round of client
release testing.

Thanks in advance.

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Then on Dec 30 there is this:

Willy de Zutter <xxxxxxx> to boinc_dev
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Hi all,

Just ran into this, and it's causing a nasty problem.

Attaching to a new project issues a new host CPID on the client.

The problem is that the AMS tracks the hosts using host CPIDs, and if
the user attaches a new project, a new host CPID is generated and the
host can no longer be recognised as being the same. On connection to the
AMS a new host will be created in the AMS system, and the user has a
ghost host in his inventory list.

Suggestion: add <previous_host_cpid>OLD_CPID</previous_host_cpid> in the
next AMS request if host CPID has changed. OLD_CPID is the CPID used in
the previous request to the AMS. This way the AMS can synchronise the
database.

Without it, a user has to do a lot of maintenance on his AMS account, to
find out which hosts are ghost and remove them.

Willy
BOINCstats administrator

fyi, i first proposed the idea of account management to david anderson and showed a sample interface on november 5th, 2004. due to prior obligations work did not start in earnest until february 2005. but there was a lot that had to be figured out between then and december 2005.

i only mention this because it speaks to the issue of my credibility, which i feel is being seriously questioned here.

so let's try to determine what the real issues are in this discussion. is there anyone who has any problems with me or with gridrepublic other than semantics of how credits are displayed?

...matt


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There is what I have said and some over comments from users also this one which maybe important for you to answer ASAP

Sorry to say that I'm fanning the flames.

www.irs.gov has a listing of 501c3 charitable corporations that is searchable.
Grid Republic is not in their registry.

Perhaps the Grid Republic people would like to address this "issue"?

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