Now that Crunch3r's site is down, I wonder there are any sites distributing optimized clients or redistributing Crunch3r's applications. I looked at http://www.marisan.nl but there's only some benchmarks and a link to crunch3r's site.

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Now that Crunch3r's site is down, I wonder there are any sites distributing optimized clients or redistributing Crunch3r's applications. I looked at http://www.marisan.nl but there's only some benchmarks and a link to crunch3r's site.

Hello!

It´s permitted to redistributing his applications?
He have the copyrights... and so on... or?

Greetings!

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I imagined (just imagined) he permits redistibution, but you mean no? Berkeley and FFTW project permit redistribution of source or binary providing one must attach some copyright documents along with them. So if he permits (this is important), the packages can be redistributed.

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I imagined (just imagined) he permits redistibution, but you mean no? Berkeley and FFTW project permit redistribution of source or binary providing one must attach some copyright documents along with them. So if he permits (this is important), the packages can be redistributed.

Hello!


In this thread: optimized Enhanced 5.12 app.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=30606

They talked about...

I don´t know now about the laws...
He had or not given his permission...

...maybe, we must ask him...

Greetings!



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http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=30606#322928
Crunch3r said:

Hello,
It's not quite easy for me to write this, to honest to you all i'm writing this now with a tear running from my eye.
It's been a fantastic time here for quite a while, since things have changed for the bad.
That's why i'm taking the consequences and have to say god bye to you all.
Take care of yourself and keep on crunching.

Good by SETI.
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http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=30606#322957
Geek@Play said:

Since Copyright 2006 Crunch3r is all over Crunch3r's web site it would not be proper to distribute his work elsewhere without his permission.
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I've stopped crunching for seti (as part of the protest) since I can't get crunch3r's apps. Seems like some people on the official dev team have been pretty self-righteous with regard to outside contributions to what seems otherwise to be proof of concept level code. I certainly don't put into production code which takes 6 or 8 times longer to run than a functional equivalent code for any of my clients.

I think mostly what we have here is someone who takes offense to the open source idea of someone else improving his code. That's pretty sad considering the seti code was made open source specifically so that others could improve it.

I hope some people can swallow a little pride so that we can merge our diffs into one happy and healthy code base.

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Now that Crunch3r's site is down, I wonder there are any sites distributing optimized clients or redistributing Crunch3r's applications. I looked at http://www.marisan.nl but there's only some benchmarks and a link to crunch3r's site.

TMR......if memory serves you released the very first optimized client for Windows. I also believe you have been in the background with the development of the current Boinc/Seti app software. Is my memory failing me? If anyone could take Crunch3r's place I would have thought of you first. Am I wrong??

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Yes, it's me, but sorry, for a personal reason, I cannot afford time and my license expired last month. I wondered why everyone is at a loss by shutdown of Crunch3r's site...why he doesn't mention redistribution. There are many users of his applications, so those who want them can send the apps one another if he permits.

If one has a license, it's not difficult (but it takes a bit of time). Crunch3r collected donations via Paypal and bought a license, if my memory serves me correct. And I bought my license when someone who wanted to be anonymous sent me money via Paypal, and one year has passed.

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I am interested in obtaining the optimized BOINC CC for Linux P4/SSE2.

If there were other contributors besides Crunch3r for that I would like to get in contact with them.

I do not need the SETI app.

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Yes, but sorry, for a personal reason, I cannot afford time and my license expired last month. I wondered why everyone is at a loss by shutdown of Crunch3r's site...why he doesn't mention redistribution. There are many users of his applications, so those who want them can send the apps if he permits.

I don't understand why he took his site down to begin with. His fight is not the entire Seti community of crunchers but only one person. I feel he over reacted by shuting down his site. Would have been better to stay and put pressure on that one individual for a public appology.

Back to thread topic. I know of no one who is distributing Crunch3r's work or if he has given anyone permission to distribute.

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If someone has a location for the Crunchers SETI-Enhanced FreeBSD versions and the Crunchers Boinc x86_64 clients, I could host them for all seti people here. Please drop a line at R_vanOosten at Hotml com

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I imagined (just imagined) he permits redistibution, but you mean no? Berkeley and FFTW project permit redistribution of source or binary providing one must attach some copyright documents along with them. So if he permits (this is important), the packages can be redistributed.

Hi TMR,
I have used GPL'd software almost exclusively so I have been exposed to the GPL almost from it's inception. And *if* I am understanding it right, anyone that has created and *released* modifications of the application to the public must release them under the same GPL which states that redistribution *is* allowed. So whether he "permits" it or not is beside the point now, as he has already released them and because of that they too become covered by the GPL.
*However* if he has made changes to the source you would need to get a copy of his source code (which the GPL requires) then you must have the compiler that he has and you must know the specific compiler flags he used just to reproduce the apps.
So AFAIK, the fact that he released them in the first place puts them under the GPL which permits redistribution.

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Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

I have used GPL'd software almost exclusively so I have been exposed to the GPL almost from it's inception. And *if* I am understanding it right, anyone that has created and *released* modifications of the application to the public must release them under the same GPL which states that redistribution *is* allowed. So whether he "permits" it or not is beside the point now, as he has already released them and because of that they too become covered by the GPL.
*However* if he has made changes to the source you would need to get a copy of his source code (which the GPL requires) then you must have the compiler that he has and you must know the specific compiler flags he used just to reproduce the apps.
So AFAIK, the fact that he released them in the first place puts them under the GPL which permits redistribution.

My understanding is the same. In short, I think anyone can exchange/distribute his application "as is" or with all legally necessary materials(documents). IIRC the top page of this site mentioned COPYRIGHT, README, AUTHORS, etc.(?) are required to be with the binary upon distribution a while ago.

BTW, I have the Linux 5.12 SSE app posted on my site if anyone is interested. And I would be willing to host others.

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Jim

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BTW, I have the Linux 5.12 SSE app posted on my site if anyone is interested. And I would be willing to host others.

I have the Win SSE2 version that I could pass along. The app is in the original zip file with the Authors, Copying, Copyright, Readme, and Extra_note files included.

QS

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BTW, I have the Linux 5.12 SSE app posted on my site if anyone is interested. And I would be willing to host others.

I have the Win SSE2 version that I could pass along. The app is in the original zip file with the Authors, Copying, Copyright, Readme, and Extra_note files included.

QS

Great! you can email it to me at jrosstheman at bellsouth dot net or register in my forum and upload it there (but I'm not sure that the uploads and downloads section in the forum are working yet. Need to get someone to test them)

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Jim

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Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

BTW, I have the Linux 5.12 SSE app posted on my site if anyone is interested. And I would be willing to host others.

Jim,

The only reservation I have is what are the ramifications of redistributing with regard to Intel's compiler and IPP copyrights.

On the other hand, since it was compiled as a monolithic app, with no other redistributable runtimes or libraries required, my gut feeling is as long as it is offered as is with no modification then it would be covered by the GPL license.

In any event, I have all four of them, if you're interested.

<edit> Windows versions that is.

Alinator

Crunch3r collected donations via Paypal and bought a license, if my memory serves me correct. And I bought my license when someone who wanted to be anonymous sent me money via Paypal, and one year has passed.

Crunch3r never publicly asked for donations, he did have a link to his pay pal email account on his site. In any event he only received a tiny fraction of what he needed. Very sad but true - he has told me in private email the amount he has collected and I know from my contributions to him that I personally have donated WELL over 70% of what he has received. Sad Sad Sad. And I have only sent him $200.00 US

If I were him I would shut down as well - it costs money to do what he has done, it costs money to support a web site.

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Hello Everyone

In an email from Crunch3r it appears that someone can claim victory. This is truly sad!

Crunch3r asked me to relay this bit of information.

You could do me a favour and post that on the board, that i'm asking all people who are using the app. to delete it, because i no longer have the source and i can't provide access to it and please don't mirror them due to violation of GPL.

At this time please go back to Crunching... Or Stop Your Choice Enough of the BS!

Pappa

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BTW, I have the Linux 5.12 SSE app posted on my site if anyone is interested. And I would be willing to host others.

Jim,

The only reservation I have is what are the ramifications of redistributing with regard to Intel's compiler and IPP copyrights.

On the other hand, since it was compiled as a monolithic app, with no other redistributable runtimes or libraries required, my gut feeling is as long as it is offered as is with no modification then it would be covered by the GPL license.

In any event, I have all four of them, if you're interested.

<edit> Windows versions that is.

Alinator

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Well it looks like that is a non-issue now. Sorry folks!!!

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In an email I received yesterday from Crunch3r, he wrote

I don't want to hear or read anyting about it any more, i'm done with it.

(it = s@h)

I was at a loss whether I should quote here or not because it's personal correspondence, but I decided to post this because everyone that wants to use his applications is concerned with this.

Even if he shutdowns his site, GPL is alive.

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