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 Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Michael Jackson acquited in all 10 charges!! CNN "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Bruno G. Olsen & ESEA @ greenholt  Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 875 Credit: 4,386,984 RAC: 0 
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 
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I've been on four juries, including two murder trials. What you see on the media is not like sitting there and hearing ALL the evidence without the journalistic slant or prejudice. I think Jackson could have done what he was charged with, but not to a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty. That's why we have that standand; to avoid convicting an innocent person. Unfortunately, many guilty go free. Just put yourself in the defendants shoes. Account frozen... ID: 123171 · |
Ulrich Metzner  Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13 
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A sack of rice has fallen down somewhere in China... :S Aloha, Uli ID: 123182 · |
rattelschneck  Send message Joined: 14 Apr 01 Posts: 435 Credit: 842,179 RAC: 0
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A sack of rice has fallen down somewhere in China... :S How deep? ID: 123190 · |
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Ulrich Metzner Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13
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How deep? Can't answer that, this very important message was interrupted by a news bulletin saying some pop star isn't guilty of something, can't remember exactly ;) Aloha, Uli ID: 123194 · |
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rattelschneck Send message Joined: 14 Apr 01 Posts: 435 Credit: 842,179 RAC: 0
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How deep? I ask it again. How deep must I dig, to find the bus with the passengers inside, who cares for this? I mean the Jackson story. .o0(Die Ãœbersetzung ist irgendwie sch****e) ID: 123198 · |
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Franz Bauer Send message Joined: 8 Feb 01 Posts: 127 Credit: 9,690,361 RAC: 0 
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Michael Jackson acquited in all 10 charges!! I hope Wacko Jacko has finally learned his lesson not to play with little boys. He should change the name of "Never Land" to "Never Again Land". Franz ID: 123324 · |
Whiskey  Send message Joined: 5 Sep 04 Posts: 981 Credit: 640,589 RAC: 0 
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Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. OJ Simpson is innocent. Jacko is innocent. Elvis is alive and I believe in Santa Clause!!! Join the #1 UAE Team. 
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Astro  Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0 |
Don't you talk about my Santa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL ID: 123390 · |
Captain Avatar  Send message Joined: 17 May 99 Posts: 15133 Credit: 529,088 RAC: 0
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You have a problem with Sata and Elvis? They will get mad at you and you will get a lump of coal for christmas! 
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Whiskey Send message Joined: 5 Sep 04 Posts: 981 Credit: 640,589 RAC: 0
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I don't believe in Christmas either! It's the celebration of a myth. By the way what have St Klaus, snow and Pine trees got to do with the myth of Jesus? He was, alledgedly, born and lived his whole life in the Middle East and the chances of him being white are NIL!! I'd rather believe in Santa Clause. He-He. Join the #1 UAE Team.
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Celtic Wolf  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3278 Credit: 595,676 RAC: 0
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[OFF-TOPIC] Well if you really want to know Chistmastide is a Pagan ritual. It is the celebration of the coming of the Winter Solstice and the rebirth of the land that will come. Good Christians to prevent themselves from being eaten by Pagan Lions celebrated the Birth of Christ at the same time. [/OFF_TOPIC] Wacko Jacko has now been given a license to continue his sick ways.. His Spirit will be punished for his crimes, but now while he lives.. I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue. American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom. ID: 123413 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Michael Jackson acquited in all 10 charges!!  I, so help me, found this smilie!!!!I don't know! There wasn't enough evidence for the jury to convict him even for handing out alcoholic beverages to minors (who in that case would be people under 20 years old, right?), which I think he at least has done (I mean, come on, we all know that he has had a beer with at least the older kids!), so the prosecutor apparently didn't do the job well enough! I heard someone on CNN say, that this is one of the cases the defendence doesn't win, it's the prosecuter who loses it! And the evidence wasn't good enough! So, if he is a pedophile, he must have left the court with the impression that using and molesting children is OK! Many pedophiles have that impression, and on their journeys to Asia tells them it's OK, as children are available there! Here a judge (yep, a judge!! You know one of these guys who sits in courtrooms and judge criminals!!!) was caught red handed with kiddie porn on his computer and as a member of a pedophile circle, who exchange kiddie porn, was sentenced only a few months, where he had spent about half of the time in prison before nad the rest was anulled if he would go in therapy!!! Call that a slap over the wrist!! The sentence was appealed!!! But the message sent to these people, who in their sick mind have the idea that small children enjoys, what they do to them, that this is Ok, and the higher position, you have in society, the smaller slap over the wrist you get! In these cases I really hope the ET won't find us! What an impression they would get!? :-( "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Astro Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0 |
Continued Christmas OFF Topic info. This is what Isaac Asimov has to say about Christmas and it's development: IA Christmas IA In Bethlehem, according to Luke's account, Mary gave birth: IA Luke 2:7. And she [Mary] brought forth her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. IA Presumably the inn was full of travelers, as all inns in Judea must have been at that time, if Luke's story of the census is accepted. Every town, after all, would have been receiving its quota of families returning from elsewhere. There is no indication at all at this point concerning the date of the Nativity. The feast is celebrated, now, by almost all Christian churches on December 25. This is Christmas ("Christ's mass") But why December 25? No one really knows. To Europeans and North Americans such a date means Winter and, in fact, many of our carols depict a wintry scene and so do our paintings. Indeed, so close is the association of winter and snow that each year millions irrationally long for a "white Christmas" though snow means a sharp rise in automobile fatalities. Yet upon what is such a wintry association based? There is no mention of either snow or cold in either Luke or Matthew. In fact, in the verse after the description of the birth, Luke says: IA Luke 2:8. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. IA It is customary, since we have the celebration firmly fixed on December 25, to imagine these shepherds as keeping their watch in bitter cold and perhaps in deep snow. But why? Surely it is much more likely that a night watch would be kept in the summertime when the nights would be mild and, in fact, more comfortable than the scorching heat of the day. For that matter, it is but adding still another dimension to the implausible nature of the census as depicted by Luke if we suppose that all this unnecessary traveling was taking place in the course of a cold winter time. To be sure, it is a mistake to think of a Palestinian winter as being as cold as one in Germany, Great Britain, or New England. The usual associations of Christmas with snow and ice - even if it were on December 25 - is purely a local prejudice. It falls in the same class with the manner that medieval artists depicted Mary and Joseph in Medieval clothing because they could conceive of no other kind. Nevertheless, whether December 25 is snowy or mild makes no difference at the moment. The point is that neither Luke nor Matthew give a date of nay kind for the Nativity. They give no slightest hint that can be used to deduce a day or even guess at one. Why, then, December 25? The answer might be found in astronomy and in Roman history. The noonday Sun is at varying heights in the sky at different seasons of the year because the Earth's axis is tipped by 23 degrees to the plane of Earth's revolution about the sun. Without going into the astronomy of this in detail, it is sufficient to say that the noonday Sun climbs steadily higher in the sky from December to June, and falls steadily lower from June to December. The steady rise is easily associated with a lengthening day, and eventually warming temperature and quickening of life; the steady decline with a shortening day, an eventually cooling temperature and fading of life. In primitive times, when the reason for the cycle was not understood in terms of modern astronomy, there was never any certainty that the sinking Sun would ever turn and begin to rise again. Why should it do so, after all, except by the favor of the gods? And that favor might depend entirely upon the proper conduct of a complicated ritual know only to the priests. It must have been occasion for great gladness each year, then, to observe the decline of the noonday Sun gradually slowing, then coming to a halt and beginning to rise again. The point at which the Sun comes to a halt is the winter "Solstice" (from Latin words meaning "sun halt"). The time of the winter solstice was the occasion for a great feast in honor of what one might call the "birth of the Sun." In Roman times, a three day period, later extended to seven days, was devoted to the celebration of the winter solstice. This was the "Saturnalia," named in honor of Saturn, and old Roman god of agriculture. At the Saturnalia, joy was unrestrained, as befitted a holiday that celebrated a reprieve from death and a return to life. All public business was suspended, in favor of festivals, parties, singing, and gift giving. It was a season of peace and good will to all men. Even slaves were, for that short period, allowed license that was forbidden at all other times and were treated - temporarily - on a plane of equality with their masters. Naturally, the joy easily turned to the extremes of licentiousness and debauchery, and there were, no doubt, many pious people who deplored the uglier aspects of the festival. In the Roman calendar - a very poor and erratic one before the time of Julius Caesar - the Saturnalia was celebrated the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth of December. Once Caesar established a sensible calendar, the winter solstice fell upon December 25 (although in our own calendar, slightly modified since Caesar's time, it comes on December 21). In the first centuries of the Roman Empire, Christianity had to compete with Mithraism, a form of Sun worship with its roots in Persia. In Mithraism, the winter solstice was naturally the occasion of a great festival and in A.D. 274, the Roman Emperor, Aurelian, set December 25 as the day of the birth of the Sun. In other words, he lent the Mithraist holiday the official sanction of the government. The celebration of the winter solstice was a great stumbling block to conversions to Christianity. If Christians held the Saturnalia and the birth of the Sun to be purely pagan then many converts were discouraged. Even if they abandoned belief in the old Roman gods and in Mithras, they wanted the joys of the holiday. (How many people today celebrate the Christmas season with no reference at all to its religious significance and how many would be willing to give up the joy, warmth, and merriment of the season merely because they were not Pious Christians?) But Christianity adapted itself to pagan customs where these, in the judgement of Christian leaders, did not compromise the essential doctrines of the Church. The Bible did not say on which day Jesus was born and there was no dogma that would be affected by one day rather than any other. Once that was settled, converts could join Christianity without giving up their Saturnalian happiness. It was only necessary for them to joy fully greet the birth of the Son rather than the Sun. If December 25 is Christmas and if it is assumed that Mary became pregnant at the time of the annunciation, then the anniversary of the annunciation must be placed on March 25, nine months before Christmas. And, indeed, March 25 is the day of the Feast of the Annunciation and is called Annunciation Day or , in England, Lady Day, where "Lady" refers to Mary. Again, if the annunciation came when Elisabeth was six months pregnant, John the Baptist must have been born three months later. Jun 24 is the day on which his birth is celebrated. December 25 was gradually accepted through most of the Roman Empire between A.D. 300 and 350. This late period is indicated by the date alone. There were two general kinds of calendars in use in the ancient Mediterranean world. One is the lunar calendar, which matches the months to the phases of the Moon. It was devised by the Babylonians, who passed it on to the Greeks and the Jews. The other is the solar calendar, which matches the months of the seasons of the year. It was devised be the Egyptians, who passed it on, in Caesar's time, to the Romans, and, by way of Rome, to ourselves. The lunar calendar does not match the seasons and, in order to keep it from falling out of line, some years must have twelve lunar months and others thirteen, in a rather complex pattern. To people using a solar calendar (as we do) the lunar year is too short when it has twelve months and too long when it has thirteen. A date that is fixed in a lunar calendar slips forward and backward in the solar calendar, although in the long run, it oscillates about a fixed place. The holidays established early in Church history made use of the lunar calendar used by the Greeks and the Jews. As a result, these holidays shift their day (by our calendar) from year to year. The chief of these days is Easter. It is the prime example of a "movable holiday" and each year we must look at the calendar to see when it might come. All the other movable holidays are tied to Easter and shift with it. When Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire and even began to make increasing use of the Roman calendar. It became rather complicated to adjust the date of Easter to that calendar. There were serious disagreements among different portions of the Church as to the exact method for doing so, and schisms and heresies arose over the matter. Those holidays that came into being comparatively late, when Christianity had become official in the empire, made use of the Roman calendar to begin with. Such holiday dates slid back and forth on the lunar calendar but were fixed on solar calendars such as our own. The mere fact that Christmas is celebrated on December 25 every year and that the date never varies on our calendar is enough to show that it was not established as a religious festival until after A.D. 300. Back on topic Stupid prosecutors ID: 123428 · |
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...the chances of him being white are NIL!! [font='fixedsys,courier']Are we still talking about Jackson?[/font] ID: 123438 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Continued Christmas OFF Topic info. This is what Isaac Asimov has to say about Christmas and it's development: A troll in disguise?? Hmmm....  or thread piracy???  "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Astro Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0 |
A troll in disguise?? Hmmm.... or thread piracy???I'm a recent convert to the Troll ranks. LOL It's nice a cozy here in Alaska(it is summer you know). I said that he'd better not bad mouth Santa. I didn't start the hijacking, merely defined the topic. back to the topic now. He's a freak, but that's not against the law. He's most likely done most of what was alledged, but the prosecutor let his "desire" to convict Jackson cloud his judgement about what would be needed to convict. ID: 123452 · |
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Whiskey Send message Joined: 5 Sep 04 Posts: 981 Credit: 640,589 RAC: 0
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Here a judge (yep, a judge!! You know one of these guys who sits in courtrooms and judge criminals!!!) was caught red handed with kiddie porn on his computer and as a member of a pedophile circle, who exchange kiddie porn, was sentenced only a few months, where he had spent about half of the time in prison before nad the rest was anulled if he would go in therapy!!! Call that a slap over the wrist!! The sentence was appealed!!! But the message sent to these people, who in their sick mind have the idea that small children enjoys, what they do to them, that this is Ok, and the higher position, you have in society, the smaller slap over the wrist you get! But Fuzzy, Denmark is the only country in the world with a legal paedophile web site innit? All the users are registered with the police though and are forbidden from giving anyone else their password. Johnnie Join the #1 UAE Team.
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