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Message 117471 - Posted: 2 Jun 2005, 5:27:44 UTC - in response to Message 117468.  

Why is my seti application still 4.09 and not .11 ?? I laready finished one and downloaded a new one...

Did you put the app_info.xml file in your S@H projects folder?
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Message 117490 - Posted: 2 Jun 2005, 8:36:23 UTC - in response to Message 117469.  

On my seti folder (in the "projects" folder) I found 3 different versions; 4.10, 4.09, and the 4.11 which isd the one I'm trying to use.


I think that is the way my folder was when I started. Remember when we switched to 4.10 for a while but had trouble with it and switched back? Well anyways, I sort of remember that those extra files (4.09 4.10 and banner)disappeared on their own. This time I removed them. If you have AndyK's app info file in there the new 4.11 client will run the old 4.09 work units and continue running when it gets to the new 4.11's it is making.
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Message 117576 - Posted: 2 Jun 2005, 15:42:22 UTC

Yya! I finally got it working, I just added the app_info.xml like Heffed told me. Though I lost about 5 WU that I had already finished last night... but oh well.
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Message 117607 - Posted: 2 Jun 2005, 17:31:18 UTC

I updated the page at www.marisan.nl/seti,one of the links at which Tetsuji's optimized clients are mirrored.
Hope this little bit more info helps everyone choosing the right client.
Thanks to anyone who's helped with this info (i have cut and paste from the threads in this message board) :-)

I'll try keeping this link up-to-date as new clients appear.

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Message 117922 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 3:26:48 UTC - in response to Message 117444.  
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4.43 (May 23 build)

There are 3 versions

boinc-443-mmx.zip

boinc-443-sse.zip

boinc-443-sse2.zip

On my P4 box, they don't make so much differences in benchmark tests...but better than the official one.

Thank you! Now all the boinc.exe are working on AthlonXP, PIII (SSE one) and P4 with no SSE3 (SSE2 one). Great job!
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Message 117999 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 9:18:24 UTC - in response to Message 117607.  

Just installed the AMD 64 Client, going to let it run for a couple of days and see how it goes .. Guess i am the "tester" for this one :)




I updated the page at www.marisan.nl/seti,one of the links at which Tetsuji's optimized clients are mirrored.
Hope this little bit more info helps everyone choosing the right client.
Thanks to anyone who's helped with this info (i have cut and paste from the threads in this message board) :-)

I'll try keeping this link up-to-date as new clients appear.

Greetings,
Speedy67


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Message 118026 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 12:09:28 UTC - in response to Message 117607.  
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I updated the page at www.marisan.nl/seti,one of the links at which Tetsuji's optimized clients are mirrored.
Hope this little bit more info helps everyone choosing the right client.
Thanks to anyone who's helped with this info (i have cut and paste from the threads in this message board) :-)


Some of the CPU assignments are not quite exact on your website. So for example Pentium 4 M (Dothan) runs much better with "seti-p4-no-sse3" than with pm or p3-sse2. I am not sure how it is with other cores, but most likely every P4 M supporting SSE2 will do the same. Download the freeware CPU-Z to see what exactly your processor suports.

As for AMD's - I have tested Athlon MP (Palomino) and Sempron - currently both run best with p3.

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Message 118034 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 12:26:39 UTC - in response to Message 118026.  
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Download the freeware CPU-Z to see what exactly your processor suports.



Or you can get Intel's own Processor Identification Utilities: here (Intel only of course)



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Message 118074 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 14:03:24 UTC - in response to Message 118026.  

I updated the page at www.marisan.nl/seti,one of the links at which Tetsuji's optimized clients are mirrored.
Hope this little bit more info helps everyone choosing the right client.
Thanks to anyone who's helped with this info (i have cut and paste from the threads in this message board) :-)


Some of the CPU assignments are not quite exact on your website. So for example Pentium 4 M (Dothan) runs much better with "seti-p4-no-sse3" than with pm or p3-sse2. I am not sure how it is with other cores, but most likely every P4 M supporting SSE2 will do the same. Download the freeware CPU-Z to see what exactly your processor suports.

As for AMD's - I have tested Athlon MP (Palomino) and Sempron - currently both run best with p3.

trux


Yes, seti-pm is for Pentium M, as in Centrino, NOT Pentium 4 Mobile's. Pentium 4 Mobiles should use either of the P4 clients depending on whether or not they support SSE3.

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Message 118109 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 15:38:59 UTC - in response to Message 117999.  

Just installed the AMD 64 Client, going to let it run for a couple of days and see how it goes .. Guess i am the "tester" for this one :)

If you are referring to the seti-sse2.zip version, you could look at my posts regarding it in this thread. ;)

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Message 118113 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 15:56:51 UTC - in response to Message 118074.  


Some of the CPU assignments are not quite exact on your website. So for example Pentium 4 M (Dothan) runs much better with "seti-p4-no-sse3" than with pm or p3-sse2. I am not sure how it is with other cores, but most likely every P4 M supporting SSE2 will do the same. Download the freeware CPU-Z to see what exactly your processor suports.

As for AMD's - I have tested Athlon MP (Palomino) and Sempron - currently both run best with p3.

trux


Yes, seti-pm is for Pentium M, as in Centrino, NOT Pentium 4 Mobile's. Pentium 4 Mobiles should use either of the P4 clients depending on whether or not they support SSE3.

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Thanks Trux and Ned, I updated the file descriptions accordingly.
Of course when anything else is not quite right on my site, I invite everyone to please report it, to make sure everyone can easily pick the right client for his/her system.

Greetings,
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Message 118165 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 17:47:41 UTC - in response to Message 118113.  
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Some of the CPU assignments are not quite exact on your website. So for example Pentium 4 M (Dothan) runs much better with "seti-p4-no-sse3" than with pm or p3-sse2. I am not sure how it is with other cores, but most likely every P4 M supporting SSE2 will do the same. Download the freeware CPU-Z to see what exactly your processor suports.

As for AMD's - I have tested Athlon MP (Palomino) and Sempron - currently both run best with p3.

trux


Yes, seti-pm is for Pentium M, as in Centrino, NOT Pentium 4 Mobile's. Pentium 4 Mobiles should use either of the P4 clients depending on whether or not they support SSE3.

Ned



Thanks Trux and Ned, I updated the file descriptions accordingly.
Of course when anything else is not quite right on my site, I invite everyone to please report it, to make sure everyone can easily pick the right client for his/her system.

Greetings,
Speedy67

www.marisan.nl/seti/




Nice job Speedy :)


The seti-P3 version works on some Duron's too - those (later ones) based on XP cores I guess.
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Message 118266 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 22:40:55 UTC - in response to Message 118165.  


Nice job Speedy :)


Thanks. :)


The seti-P3 version works on some Duron's too - those (later ones) based on XP cores I guess.


Thanks for the info. Website is updated. Additional info is always welcome.

Greetings,
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Message 118281 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 23:05:41 UTC
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I'm really impressed with the difference in processing time between these optimized clients and the standard one.

My sample size is small for the optimized client (2 days), but I checked the other crunching hosts to make sure I didn't have a "short" unit. My numbers are eyeballed from a list, but should be close enough for my point. I've received credit for each host so the optimized clients seem to be working.

Performance (1 SETI WU):

866MHz P3
old: about 6.2 hours new: about 5.5 hours

1.3GHz P3 Celeron
old: about 6.5 hours new: about 5.5 hours

3.4GHz P4 HT
old: about 3.0 hours new: about 1.25 hours

One of my hosts scares me tho :-) On the two slower computers the gain is about 1.2x. The 3.4GHz computer shows a 2.4x gain. WOW! It has done 11 WU consistently at this rate. I don't think it's an HT thing since my numbers are per WU from BOINCView.

I'm just providing my observations on my early experience with the optimized client. However, I am curious if the P4 HT's gain is typical. Could this difference be because of SSE3?
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Message 118294 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 23:28:52 UTC - in response to Message 118281.  
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I'm just providing my observations on my early experience with the optimized client. However, I am curious if the P4 HT's gain is typical. Could this be a difference because of SSE3?



I've got a Northwood P4 with Hyper-threading and it went from about
3 Hrs. 20 Min. down to 1 Hr. 40 Min. No SSE3 though. The difference is Tetsuji's great work. Kind of a gas isn't it.

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Message 118296 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 23:32:53 UTC - in response to Message 118281.  
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866MHz P3
old: about 6.2 hours new: about 5.5 hours


My 450 MHz P3 went from 12h 45m to 11h 25m, a 1.15x gain


1.3GHz P3 Celeron
old: about 6.5 hours new: about 5.5 hours

3.4GHz P4 HT
old: about 3.0 hours new: about 1.25 hours


My 3.0 GHz P4 HT (Prescott, SSE3) went from 3h 30m to 1h 50m, a 1.9x gain


The 3.4GHz computer shows a 2.4x gain. WOW! It has done 11 WU consistently at this rate. I don't think it's an HT thing since my numbers are per WU from BOINCView.

I'm just providing my observations on my early experience with the optimized client. However, I am curious if the P4 HT's gain is typical. Could this difference be because of SSE3?


I think your experiences are quite right.. lots of gain with the new optimized clients, especially on the faster machines..

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Message 118302 - Posted: 3 Jun 2005, 23:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 118294.  
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The difference is Tetsuji's great work. Kind of a gas isn't it.


It sure is! Thanks to Tetsuji for the improvement.
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Message 118322 - Posted: 4 Jun 2005, 0:20:54 UTC - in response to Message 117999.  

Time for an Update
Installed the AMD64 sse2 client last night here are the results so far

OLD - 8000 - 9000 sec (2 - 2.5 hrs) per WU
NEW - 4000 - 5000 sec (1.5 hrs) per WU
Claimed Credit is about 30% lower with the optimized client, so far it seems that these results are the "low" ones that are eliminated, in the credit recived area it seems to be working well.

My unit has been completely stable no issues at all, I was returning about 10 results a day but with the new client it looks like it will be around 15 results a day... Now if i could just figure out more ways to tweek it get evan more results :).



Just installed the AMD 64 Client, going to let it run for a couple of days and see how it goes .. Guess i am the "tester" for this one :)

I updated the page at www.marisan.nl/seti,one of the links at which Tetsuji's optimized clients are mirrored.
Hope this little bit more info helps everyone choosing the right client.
Thanks to anyone who's helped with this info (i have cut and paste from the threads in this message board) :-)



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Message 118618 - Posted: 4 Jun 2005, 12:02:44 UTC

I'm using the optimized client, but what happens when SETI sends out a successor to 4.09? Does BOINC download and install it? Will I have to do anything? Will WUs crunched with 4.11 still be valid?
Help and BOINC documentation is available here.

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Message 118629 - Posted: 4 Jun 2005, 12:38:16 UTC - in response to Message 118266.  
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Nice job Speedy :)


Thanks. :)


The seti-P3 version works on some Duron's too - those (later ones) based on XP cores I guess.


Thanks for the info. Website is updated. Additional info is always welcome.

Greetings,
Speedy67
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For AMD CPUs, the seti-P3 client should run on any AMD CPU that is i686 or Pentium Pro compatible AND has MMX and full SSE compatability too (so Athlon XP, Athlon MP, Athlon4, and later Duron's). It _probably_ wont work on older (original) Athlon, Athlon thunderbird and older comparable Duron's as these only have SSE prefetch instructions support, not full SSE support, nor K6-2/3 as these only have MMX and no SSE at all. These older CPUs should presumably use the plain vanilla i686 client, although I don't have access to any of these platforms to test.

Personally, I also relabelled the seti-sse2 client to AMD64 on my site as presumably this is the only class of CPU that should be using this client (hopefully makes things clearer).

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