Posts by Xaak

1) Message boards : Number crunching : No updates to stats pages??? (Message 797978)
Posted 14 Aug 2008 by Profile Xaak
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my guess would be that the xml file hasn't been created to send to the external sites. i'm sure they are looking into it after all the other issues they have been fighting this week.

You're guess is right. The date on the latest stats xml files is 10-Aug-2008 14:40.
2) Message boards : Technical News : Fiber channel woes, Chicken App, etc. (May 21 2007) (Message 573578)
Posted 22 May 2007 by Profile Xaak
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XAAK -- Judging by your involvment in so many other projects, you know more than most that there are other projects to compile credit with. We each have the right to silently and non-apologetically reapportion our BOINC clients to those projects whose 'management styles' and 'scientific goals' better suit us. It's that simple.
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I've already moved all of my resources to other projects, and have chosen not to make a donation this year too. Though I tend not to do things silently. Silence is often taken as apathy.
3) Message boards : Technical News : Fiber channel woes, Chicken App, etc. (May 21 2007) (Message 573396)
Posted 22 May 2007 by Profile Xaak
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If this was the case Microsoft would never release anything. lol


And you don't think companies test Microsoft releases before subjecting it to end users?
4) Message boards : Technical News : Fiber channel woes, Chicken App, etc. (May 21 2007) (Message 573390)
Posted 22 May 2007 by Profile Xaak
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I gotta laugh at this whole mess here.

It's pretty obvious that the lastest server version of BOINC should never have been installed and is broken.

How hard is it to recognize you need to roll back and get the problems with it fixed offline? Do you really need to be that stubborn as to keep a broken server system in production?

I've worked in IT for over 25 years, and almost every cardinal rule was broken by putting the latest server version into production. To repeat what I've said elsewhere:

1. You NEVER introduce another potential point of failure (new BOINC version) while other things are not completely stable (hardware outage, longest in your history).

2. You NEVER put anything into production without testing first and assessing the impact of the change on your installed user base.

Stop messing around and roll back the server version, then get the problems fixed offline.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Calling all Team Captains (Message 572406)
Posted 20 May 2007 by Profile Xaak
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Please excuse me I am a tolerent person but get a life. we are donating computer power, this is not a bussiness.They owe us nothing not even the ability to use optomized apps.
sorry to rant but when stupip people call someone else stupid I get a little Irate.



You come off very insulting for a supposedly tolerent person. If you have to tell others you are... (But let's not go there :-) )


There's a big difference between calling someone stupid or insulting someone directly (as you did to me), and calling a decision stupid. The fact is it was a stupid decision, regardless of how brilliant the people were who made it.

And yes, I'm a volunteer and donor of both computer time and funds directly. As such I'm not getting paid to tollerate this situation, and I choose to volunteer and donate elsewhere until this team gets their act together.

And, for your info, I have a great life. I have opinions too and I'll voice them as I please. :-)
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6) Message boards : Number crunching : Calling all Team Captains (Message 572354)
Posted 20 May 2007 by Profile Xaak
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I've been asked to repost this from our boards. The original thread and post can be found here

While I won't recommend it to my team, there is a third option which I took. That's staying away from seti for the foreseeable future. I can tollerate alot of things, but people being stupid isn't generally one of them.

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I don't tend to blame the seti project guys because I understand that they're working on a shoestring budget, but the decision to upgrade boinc versions during the most severe outage of the BOINC era is sheer stupidity.

You don't introduce new potential points of failure until everything else is stable. How else are you going to be able to tell where problems come from?

You don't introduce a new version of any software before you assess the potential impact on your user base.

Sorry, but the seti team made a stupid decision in this case. Not because of low budgets, not because of being overworked, but because of very bad decision making and defective logic.

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7) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI Number Crunching Achievements (Graphics OK) (Message 557082)
Posted 1 May 2007 by Profile Xaak
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With a RAC of 200,000 Team Starfire World BOINC is in 7th place and only 88 active members!! We have the highest RAC with the least members!

www.tswb.org



YAY TEAM, Go,go,go


And we're still rising. Click the graphic to check us out!

8) Message boards : Team Recruitment Center : Introducing Team Starfire World BOINC (Message 490006)
Posted 25 Dec 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Happy Holidays from TSWB!

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9) Message boards : Team Recruitment Center : Introducing Team Starfire World BOINC (Message 421912)
Posted 16 Sep 2006 by Profile Xaak
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We keep moving up and up. Come join a fun-loving, wildly successful brand new team at TSWB.org.



10) Message boards : Team Recruitment Center : Introducing Team Starfire World BOINC (Message 384361)
Posted 1 Aug 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Put the fun back in crunching with an amazing group of people. Open and friendly, we have a true passion for DC and BOINC. Join us if you dare :-).
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Optimization (Message 332587)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Which windows version is the fastest?
... and how much faster than official 5.15 on different CPUs?

Ooh...now things are getting interesting. :) I don't think there are any optimized Windows Enhanced applications in wide circulation besides the ones that Crunch3r used to offer. If you do look at Crunch3r's clients, though, I wouldn't use the numbers from the quick reference WU on marisan.nl to judge performance gains--the performance profile of that WU doesn't represent SETI performance in general, at least not from my experience optimizing for PPC.
Thanks. So, i will do a comparison between different versions (5.15, 5.12SSE, 5.12SSE2, ...).
I see 5.15 isn't optimized, i got a 10% faster code after 10 minutes work.
Hm...


I'm impressed. 10% improvement after 10 minutes of work is amazing. I can't wait to see what you can accomplish when you start to really look at it.

Great job!
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 332217)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Profile Xaak
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So here we would still have people complaining that they are getting less credit than they "deserve". However in this case they would be right! However crunching more wu's per time period would make up for at least part of it.


Well, it's a personal choice that they stand the chance to recieve lower credit/wu than the standard client.

What people must realize is that any granting of credits has to be based on Berkeley's official clients, and not the optimized clients. We know Berkeley's clients will always be there, but as we have seen, not so with optimized clients. If you get more or less credit using an optimized client, that's your choice and it has to be looked at as temporary.

However, if you do the math, 25% more wu in the same time period getting 5% less credit is still a significant net gain in credits/hr.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 332112)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Eric anounced that a New Application will be in Seti Beta shortly that increases the amount of credit in the Enhanced App... When that gets released here it makes the Crunch3r Optimized App Obsolete... What did you miss?



This is not strictly true. While a 5% gain in credits is nice with the soon to be beta version, in my experience the optimized 5.12 app gets over 25% speed improvement over the stock 5.1x apps, so more science is still getting done, and the quorum takes care of the 5% underclaim the optimized 5.12 client may making.

I don't see where that makes crunch3r's client obsolete.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Strike requests (Message 329359)
Posted 7 Jun 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Eric,

Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to address these issues. I appreciate all the time and effort you and the whole Seti@Home team has put in over the years, and I'm personally sorry to see the attacks that have been made on you and the project team.

The personal attacks and accusations are just plain wrong on all sides, and unfortunately this board has degraded largely into what ammounts to a gang fight. I think a zero tolerance policy with moderators who only moderate, and don't fan the flames, is a great idea.

You're willing to step back and look at the situation objectively, and I think everyone should be willing to do the same. Alot of feelings have been hurt on all sides, and it's time to just let that go and move forward with continuing to make seti@home the best DC project out there. What's happened here over the past weeks can do nothing but scare people away from the project.

15) Message boards : Number crunching : A Resolution to the Credit Disagreement (Message 329123)
Posted 6 Jun 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Does BBR know you are posting this?


Believe it or not, the majority of our BBR members aren't concerned about the new credit system. I know I'm not. We're obviously concerned with getting the bugs fixed, but we knew the credit system was changing. We realize that most of the increased credits we got were due to the fact that the optimized client from crunch3r was so much faster than the stock client. Now that optimization is built into the stock client, advantages of optimization are much smaller and so should the difference between credits gotten by we who optimize. But more science is getting done by unoptimized clients thanks to a faster stock client, and we're happy about that.

Credits and competition are fun, but they aren't as fun if the playing field is skewed, either within the project or between projects. It was nice thinking we might be #1, but that's not why alot of us crunch. We're an old team, and have had our ups and downs in the stats over the years with Seti, but we don't base our whole existence on being the #1 seti team or beating some other team. Our team is a diverse community with Seti@Home as common thread, and our team and forum is a small part of an even larger community.

Whether we're first, last, or somewhere in between, we'll still be BroadbandReports.com Team Starfire.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 320356)
Posted 29 May 2006 by Profile Xaak
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I agree at the moment that large amounts of credits can be obtained on Einstein at the moment and for about the next three or four weeks. But we have one computer doing work for Rosetta, using BOINC 5.4.9 and that is getting approximately the same credits/time as Seti and CPND. Might I think you are using a Trux or Crunch3r client with the wrong settings.

Andy


I see about the same with respect to Rosetta. I have both, split 50/50 on a Pentium 630 and am getting roughly the same credits per hour crunched on both projects. Seti varies more by AR, some wus get more per hr than ohers, but on average it's within 2 credits/hr (factoring in 2 instances). I don't run CPDN so I can't comment on that project.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 319716)
Posted 29 May 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Lemme take another swing at the cries of "The New Credit system Is Unfair!"


Absolutely brilliant analogy. I agree 100%, except I'm crunching Enhanced Seti(optimized thanks to crunch3r and trux) on most of my machines and do both Rosetta and Einstein (optimized with trux ;-)). I crunch the projects I like. Credits are nice, but secondary. :-)
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Credit Fair? (Message 313186)
Posted 22 May 2006 by Profile Xaak
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Maybe my question is unanswerable, I don't know, but everybody is just dancing all around it. If there are still MAJOR differences between each projects credit granting, then what has the change here accomplished? If the intent was to equalize the projects it appears to have failed. Otherwise there would not be projects with higher granted credit for me to move to.


The only valid comparison of granted credits vs time spent crunching is using unoptimized clients on all projects. If that's roughly even, averaged across different processors, then the playing field is as level as possible. If optimizing allows you to increase your credits:time ratio and the project allows this, then that's a bonus.

Einstein allows the optimizations and so does seti enhanced. So you're still free to take advantage of the bonus with both. However, as the stock applications improve, the advantage of optimizing becomes less, so your bonus goes down. If the optimized apps get better and we gain more speed improvements, the the bonus for using them will go up, and if the stock application gets faster while the optimized clients stay roughly the same, the bonus goes down.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 312460)
Posted 21 May 2006 by Profile Xaak
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1. AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4400+ = 16K sec (very good bencmarks)
4. "My PC" = 14K sec P4 2,8GHz Norhwood with HT (only 512KB L2) running @ 3,2GHz (FSB:RAM = 1:1)

As you see here my old P4 Northwood easyly outperforms a XP64 X2 4400+ (when it comes to seti-crunching)

I wouldn't say 2,000 seconds faster is "easily" out performing, especially when the second CPU has a 1GHz clock advantage...
:-)


The second cpu may have a clock advantage, but the northwood core is several generations old, while the X2 is current. If you want an apples to apples comparison, you'd need to look at least at the current generation of Intel chips and chipset. My guess is that given the same clock speed, the current generation time difference with the X2 would be huge.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 311651)
Posted 20 May 2006 by Profile Xaak
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But you cannot guarantee you will be in the first three , the same way I could not guarantee to be the last by having a large cache. In relative terms so few people actually use optimised apps that it makes very little difference.

Andy


I agree with you. So does the data. The average was 8, and I expect that included wus with no difference whatsoever and wus that had up to a 20 point or more difference. But that average of 8 was enough to push my RAC up to over 2000 on a 630 overclocked, where without the average of 8 it would have been closer to 1300.

Was that fair? No, not particularly, but the scoring system was what it was, and we took advantage of the tools that were available to maximize our granted credit.

I'm fine with the fact that we can't do that anymore. The option for an unfair advantage is no longer present. I'll still optimize and get the most I can out of the tools available under the current scoring system, but I won't cry about a drop in rac due to using loopholes in the old system that allowed me and others to overclaim credit.


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