Posts by Amtronic

1) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1869643)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
The newest win10 update, 1703.15063.332 appears to have resolved the BOINC/SETI screensaver problem.

The newest releases, one for x86(32bit) and one for x64(64bit) are located at
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4020102
Please insure you choose the correct version for your system.

As per the usual SOP a couple of reboots are required to get all the pieces in place. I would also suggest
that you insure you have the latest video drivers from your respective brand vendors as that seems to
be a common problem cause for other issues.
2) Questions and Answers : Windows : Two New Problems after Windows 10 Creators Update (Message 1869537)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
The newest win10 update, 1703.15063.332 appears to have resolved the BOINC/SETI screensaver problem.

The newest releases, one for x86(32bit) and one for x64(64bit) are located at
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4020102
Please insure you choose the correct version for your system.

As per the usual SOP a couple of reboots are required to get all the pieces in place. I would also suggest
that you insure you have the latest video drivers from your respective brand vendors as that seems to
be a common problem cause for other issues.
3) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1866903)
Posted 12 May 2017 by Profile Amtronic
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Microsoft has issued yet another update to the Creator's Build
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4016871/windows-10-update-kb4016871
(OS Build 1703.15063.296)

The original problem with the BOINC screensaver still remains,
the symptoms are the same. The newest Microsoft Win 10
patch DOES NOT fix the problem.
4) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1863971)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Microsoft has issued an update to the Creator's Build
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4016240
(OS Build 15063.250)

The original problem with the BOINC screensaver remains,
the symptoms are the same. The latest Microsoft Win 10
patch DOES NOT fix the problem.
5) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Stars are blue, Panthers are pink and the music plays here (Message 1862931)
Posted 22 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Ask The Google, it wil tell you.


Really.
6) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1861087)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Wednesday 4/12/17 Microsoft has issued an update to the update. It is identified as 1703 15063.138

The same problem exists, no change in symptoms 3 of 3 systems.
Event log follows
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4/12/2017 2:29:32 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.33 for windows_x86_64
4/12/2017 2:29:32 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
4/12/2017 2:29:32 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2g zlib/1.2.8
4/12/2017 2:29:32 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
4/12/2017 2:29:32 PM | | Running under account Amtronic
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 (driver version 381.65, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3560MB available, 6463 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 (driver version 381.65, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3560MB available, 6463 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (driver version 21.20.16.4550, device version OpenCL 2.0, 6507MB, 6507MB available, 221 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 6.8.0.392, device version OpenCL 2.0 (Build 392))
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Host name: STROGG
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3]
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase bmi1 hle smep bmi2
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 10: Core x64 Edition, (10.00.15063.00)
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Memory: 15.90 GB physical, 31.90 GB virtual
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Disk: 918.85 GB total, 741.97 GB free
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Local time is UTC -4 hours
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 8204603; resource share 100
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Aug-2016 10:56:19)
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Reading preferences override file
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | Preferences:
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | max memory usage when active: 8143.35MB
4/12/2017 2:29:51 PM | | max memory usage when idle: 14658.02MB
4/12/2017 2:29:55 PM | | max disk usage: 50.00GB
4/12/2017 2:29:55 PM | | don't compute while active
4/12/2017 2:29:55 PM | | don't use GPU while active
4/12/2017 2:29:55 PM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25%
4/12/2017 2:29:55 PM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
4/12/2017 2:29:56 PM | | Suspending computation - computer is in use
4/12/2017 2:29:56 PM | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use
7) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1860732)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Perhaps I trust the maker of the radio more than I trust the garage.
But you are of course correct, however as it doesn't actually affect me I don't feel like taking on the job of reporting it to MS.
Perhaps the OP would?


No the OP won't.
MS doesn't give a damn if your little boinc/seti toy stopped working. You seriously think that MS will
issue a new update to fix whatever they did to break boinc? For 30+ years the software industry has
had to react and adjust to whatever MS does. They got the juice. And you don't have a drop.


BTW I reported this problem first and expect to have the asteroid named after me.
8) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1860558)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
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I can replicate the behavior. I just upgraded my daily driver to the new Windows 10 Creators Update. I suspended GPU processing and all other projects so that I can ensure only SETI CPU tasks are running. I also upgraded my BOINC to v7.6.33 to keep the test as similar as possible.
Note that the Windows 10 upgrade did not force Microsoft's video drivers onto my system. It left my existing Radeon Crimson suite installed.
I set my screen saver from disabled (because I don't use it) to BOINC and set the timer to 1 minute. I can see that my screen goes to the BOINC message saying it is loading the screensaver, then it dumps me back to my desktop. Tested this 4 times and the screen saver won't actually load.
I can't say that I exactly replicated the problem because I don't know if it was working on my system before the upgrade. As I said, I don't bother with the screen saver so I leave it disabled. For all I know, it may not have been working before the upgrade so I can't blame it on the upgrade yet. I decided to go over to my girlfriend's computer to test since she's still using Windows 10 Anniversary Update, and performing the same on her's (enabling the screen saver and setting it to 1 minute) seems to work as expected.
There's nothing in the BOINC Event log, nor do I see anything recent in stderrdae.txt. I even fired up procmon.exe and filtered at first for anything that began with BOINC, then after failing to note anything of importance I filtered down to any result that wasn't a success but still nothing. Finally, I filtered further for all process names of boinc.scr and results there were not a success, however I still don't see anything that sticks out as an obvious cause.


Finally someone believes there is A problem and it isn't MY problem.

Below is the Event Log. You can see I DO have Nvidia 381.65 so stop harping on that.

When I set the screensaver to none nothing happens. Why should it? That is the control for SETI to run.

For me, as a casual supporter/user, the screensaver=BOINC=SETI and that is the only time SETI runs. That is what I offer, when the
PCs are not actively being used I let them run and process SETI data via the screensaver. These are work PCs not dedicated SETI platforms.

The problem has been replicated by ozzfan. I'll check back here occasionally for the fix.

event log follows-

4/9/2017 9:28:38 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.33 for windows_x86_64
4/9/2017 9:28:38 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
4/9/2017 9:28:38 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2g zlib/1.2.8
4/9/2017 9:28:38 AM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
4/9/2017 9:28:38 AM | | Running under account Amtronic
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 (driver version 381.65, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3560MB available, 6463 GFLOPS peak)
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 (driver version 381.65, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3560MB available, 6463 GFLOPS peak)
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (driver version 21.20.16.4550, device version OpenCL 2.0, 6507MB, 6507MB available, 221 GFLOPS peak)
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 6.8.0.392, device version OpenCL 2.0 (Build 392))
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | Host name: STROGG
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3]
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase bmi1 hle smep bmi2
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 10: Core x64 Edition, (10.00.15063.00)
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | Memory: 15.90 GB physical, 31.90 GB virtual
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | Disk: 918.85 GB total, 735.56 GB free
4/9/2017 9:28:54 AM | | Local time is UTC -4 hours
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 8204603; resource share 100
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Aug-2016 10:56:19)
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | | Reading preferences override file
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | | Preferences:
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | | max memory usage when active: 8143.35MB
4/9/2017 9:28:55 AM | | max memory usage when idle: 14658.02MB
4/9/2017 9:28:57 AM | | max disk usage: 50.00GB
4/9/2017 9:28:57 AM | | don't compute while active
4/9/2017 9:28:57 AM | | don't use GPU while active
4/9/2017 9:28:57 AM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25%
4/9/2017 9:28:57 AM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
4/9/2017 9:28:57 AM | | Suspending computation - computer is in use
4/9/2017 9:28:57 AM | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use
4/9/2017 9:41:44 AM | | Suspending GPU computation - user request
4/9/2017 9:41:44 AM | | Resuming network activity
4/9/2017 9:41:44 AM | | Suspending computation - computer is in use
4/9/2017 9:41:44 AM | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use
4/9/2017 9:42:46 AM | | Resuming computation
4/9/2017 9:42:46 AM | | Resuming network activity
4/9/2017 9:42:47 AM | | Suspending computation - computer is in use
4/9/2017 9:42:47 AM | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use
4/9/2017 9:59:23 AM | | Resuming computation
4/9/2017 9:59:23 AM | | Resuming network activity
4/9/2017 9:59:24 AM | | Suspending computation - computer is in use
4/9/2017 9:59:24 AM | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use
9) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1860424)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
I am a little confused.
-As am I. As much as I want to help BOINC/SETI, this is taking up way too much time.

Boinc should be already running before the screensaver starts.
- Boinc client and Boinc System Tray for Windows are running as background processes in Task Manager
Boinc Screensaver appears to run as an App for about a second when the screensaver timer value is reached, as the
Boinc screensaver loading message appears, then immediately terminates. Boinc Screensaver disappears
from the App panel of Task Manager after apparently showing up when the screensaver loading message shows.

If Boinc does not start nor can you start in manually it is a Boinc problem not SETI@Home and should be reported on the Boinc forum
-I don't know if it is Boinc or Seti not running, only that Boinc Screensaver does not run and no processing occurs.
I have the screensaver timer set at 1 minute now, and every minute that the system is idle, the Boinc
screensaver loading message appears, then goes away. Is it a Boinc problem? A Seti problem? I don't know, but you have a forum here
at Seti called Windows, Installing And Running BOINC on Windows, so this is where I posted the problem.

It would be SETI@home that starts with the screensaver
-So its not a SETI problem then and we can all go home.

Can you see the Boinc start up log?
-No. I can't find it under Program files, Program data, Windows logs, or users/my name. There is an Event Log on the Boinc Manager
but that is not a start up log is it?

if so can you copy and paste the first 30 or so lines.
-Give me a location and whatever name it has.

Also the last time Widows did one of their updates it installed the default Windows drivers which while they appear to be the correct ones were striped of a lot of functionally.
-Something you may want to warn others of when they start reporting problems too.

After a big Windows update I would always recommend getting the drivers from the Nvidia website and do a "clean " install.
-As I said, not only did I verify the GPU has the latest drivers, I also have GPU disabled for processing.

Another morsel of data -- when I go to the Screensaver control under Lock Screen Screensaver Settings, BOINC is selected as my screensaver, but when I hit the Preview button it does not load the BOINC screensaver, it flashes for a second then goes back. This occurs on all three systems so I consider it an important clue.
10) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1860394)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
"BOINC does not start" means "boinc.exe is not in the list of running processes" (as seen in Windows Task Manager, Process Explorer, ...)
"no engaging the screen saver" does not mean BOINC is not running.
BOINC screensaver (boinc.scr + boincscr.exe) only shows some pictures, it is not really needed for the processing
("processing" is done by SETI@home applications which are started by boinc.exe)

While watching Task Manager, when the screensaver timer expires BOINC starts and immediately stops from the Tasks list.
BOINC IS NOT RUNNING.


The screen saver uses OpenGL on the videocard to show the graphics. As other Windows 10 upgrades have shown, they'll overwrite any and all user installed drivers by crap Microsoft deems more important or better than what you had. The Windows installed crap drivers don't include necessary things such as OpenGL (and for calculations on the GPU things like OpenCL and CUDA).
So always get your drivers from the manufacturer of the videocard/GPU. In your case, Nvidia and if you use the Intel GPU for driving the monitor, Intel.

I verified all systems are using the latest Nvidia drivers.


Look, I am not having a unique problem here. I am telling you there is a problem with the latest Windows 10 update and BOINC. The failures are too exactly similar to be a system problem unique to me. The three systems are widely different, the common factors are they all have an Nvidia video subsystem , they all are running BOINC 7.6.33 and they all have the latest Win 10 version 1703 15063.13 installed. And they all quit working.
11) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1860319)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Can't get it to run even after reinstall of BOINC 7.6.33

How not so, what error message or any other message do you get?


No error message! Just no engaging the screen saver after the screen saver time
has expired. On one system, I get a brief flash of the small logo and the message
"screensaver loading" and immediately goes back to my normal Windows screen.

I resolved a previous problem by turning off the GPU processor option, I have tried
that on the other two systems with no joy.

I am curious if anyone else has also experienced a problem with this major upgrade.
12) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC Screensaver (Message 1860172)
Posted 7 Apr 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Regarding the newest version of Win 10, release 1703 15063.13 is not engaging the BOIC screensaver.
link at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On three different PCs, after completing the hour+ long windows 10 update, BOINC does not start.
Can't get it to run even after reinstall of BOINC 7.6.33
Curious if others who have performed the same win upgrade have seen similar problems.
13) Questions and Answers : Windows : Win 10 & BOINC hanging PC since last update (Message 1857588)
Posted 25 Mar 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Thanks for the suggestion!
14) Questions and Answers : Windows : Win 10 & BOINC hanging PC since last update (Message 1856663)
Posted 19 Mar 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Disabled the GPU, no more hangs. Assume problem solved.
Number crunching forum seemed way busy for this simple Windows question.
Thanks all.
15) Questions and Answers : Windows : Win 10 & BOINC hanging PC since last update (Message 1856337)
Posted 18 Mar 2017 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
My fairly new PC just updated to the most recent Win10 release, 1607.xxxx.953 and since has been hanging whenever the BOINC/SETI screensaver starts. It's a hard hang too, the screensaver hangs, the keyboard and mouse are also dead. It takes a power off to restore the PC to running status. I am going to disable the GPU to see if there is a contributing factor there as my first step.

Is anyone else experiencing a similar problem?

7.6.33
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3] (8 processors)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (4095MB) driver: 375.63 OpenCL: 1.2
INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (6506MB) OpenCL: 2.0
Microsoft Windows 10 Core x64 Edition, (10.00.14393.00)
16) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC starting up under WIN 10 (Message 1730113)
Posted 29 Sep 2015 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Found a solution. Option 1 worked for me. Apparently the Fast Startup function read from a hibernate file that did not include my BOINC screensaver choices, which is why I had to go in and make the change every time I booted up the PC.

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-fast-startup-turn-off-windows-10-a.html
17) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC starting up under WIN 10 (Message 1722840)
Posted 6 Sep 2015 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Yeah, I would love to, except Apply is grayed out. Can't click it if it's not a valid choice. I have to make some change that triggers the Apply option.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC starting up under WIN 10 (Message 1722574)
Posted 5 Sep 2015 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
I swallowed the free load of WIN 10 on both a desktop and a laptop, and both now exhibit the same problem -- while BOINC is the chosen screensaver, it never invokes/goes to screensaver mode. If I choose any other screensaver, MS or other, the screensavers start up as expected (Both systems had BOINC under WIN 7 and worked normally.)
In troubleshooting, if I go to screensaver page on either system and make a slight change (change timer by a minute, etc) and click on APPLY, the screensaver will invoke after the time elapses. Clicking on OK does not trigger correct operation, only if I click Apply.
To keep BOINC working on both these systems, every time I boot them I have to go thru the process of making some change to let me click Apply on the screensaver page. That's getting tiresome! I've reinstalled BOINC and changed from 7.4.42 to 7.6.6 to now 7.6.9 versions. Suggestions?
19) Message boards : Number crunching : observation about windows 10 (Message 1707343)
Posted 1 Aug 2015 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
Did a memory upgrade to 16gig, installed Win10, and BOINC + SETI is running noticeably faster.

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20) Message boards : News : Statement on Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence/Active SETI (Message 1640323)
Posted 11 Feb 2015 by Profile Amtronic
Post:
I agree with Eric. But I have a confession -- after the elections in November, I took my laser pointer out into my backyard and signaled SOS to the sky till the batteries died...



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