Posts by miw

1) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA With 9400GT: BOINC only sees 128MB Memory (Message 886248)
Posted 18 Apr 2009 by Profile miw
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The difference between the systems was probably that the GeForce 9400 system hadn't reported a SETI unit since it was on driver version 168.49. It shows 182.50 now, since I just forced a report.

Strangely enough, that card did CUDA just fine on version 168.49 back on an older version of BOINC that did not check the amount of memory on the card. (Even though it ostensibly was unsupported.)

I'd still be interested to hear if anyone has had a problem with BOINC not reporting the right amount of memory for a CUDA card.

Edit: The old driver was the one that came with the card most likely. the latest comes from nvidia. Not that it matters. The card is obviously a reference card, to the point that it does not have any card vendor branding on it.

--Mark
2) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA With 9400GT: BOINC only sees 128MB Memory (Message 886240)
Posted 18 Apr 2009 by Profile miw
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Yes. You may well be right. However, I've tried many of the driver versions starting right back at about 181.20 and get the same result. There was an earlier version of BOINC that did not check video card memory and CUDA ran fine with that.

I'd still be keen to know if anyone else has had issue with BOINC getting an incorrect reading of the RAM from the video card, regardless of where the source of the problem is. If nobody else has seen it, then I would actually suspect some issue with the particular brand of 9400GT that I have.... (I thnk it is Gainward, but am not sure. Looking at the card gives no clue and I threw the box out ages ago.)

Note that the driver correctly (or otherwise?) reports 512MB to windows.

--Mark
3) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA With 9400GT: BOINC only sees 128MB Memory (Message 886237)
Posted 18 Apr 2009 by Profile miw
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Folks,

I'm running:
Windows XP SP3
Nvidia Drivers 182.50
BOINC 6.6.23

In the startup, It says:
Cuda Device: GEForce 9400 GT (driver version 18250, CUDA version 1.1, 128MB, est. 3GFLOPS)

But this 9400GT has 512MB RAM and windows confirms that it has 512MB in the control panel.

Of course, since 128 < 256, CUDA will not run because of this.

Has anyone else seen this?

--Mark
4) Message boards : Team Recruitment Center : The Great Aussie Assault Number four (Message 473095)
Posted 5 Dec 2006 by Profile miw
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Anyone else noticed a change in the work unit deadlines? I have some now that are due 20 days before ones I already had. Very strange.


Yes. The time to deadline varies according to the AR (which affects the expected crunching time.)

Go Aussie! (now, If I could just unwedge this Linux box from crunching other projects..... :-) )




5) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC/SETI causes trouble on Core Duo Laptop (Message 457477)
Posted 14 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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Found the problem. It's called "Thinkvantage Away Manager". It's a piece of IBM bloatware that is supposed to improve performance by stopping some tasks from running when the CPU is busy. Seems to me it chains itself into some software interrupts and then refuses to run when CPU is 100%.

Anything chained behind it in the SWIs waits forever to run.

Uninstalled it and everything is fine now....


That's interesting to know. Thanks for the resolution.

The only thing I'm trying to figure out in my head is how to explain this to new users who might potentially run into a similar problem, but blame BOINC/SETI since it would be the "last thing they installed" or, using their limited diagnosis, when stopping BOINC/SETI the problem "goes away", so the software will be to blame. I also wonder how many other users have already had similar issues but didn't even bother to look into it because they "have more important things to do, so until BOINC fixes the issues, they won't contribute", which sounds to me like there's little BOINC can do about this on their end.


Yes. and as you can imagine, if it is a work laptop, then there is limited sympathy or help given by the corporate IT people. Solution is "stop running BOINC" because that makes the symptom go away, even if the problem is a poorly-written piece of software that comes with the PC.


6) Message boards : Number crunching : Run at 100% causes Windows to lock (Message 456656)
Posted 13 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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I just installed BOINC 5.4.11 a few days ago on my WinXP Pro SP2 machine Thinkpad laptop. It's been running at 100% since installation.

As of this morning, the Windows Taskbar (where all your minimized Windows hang out) as well as any keyboard shortcuts (such as pressing Windows-E to open Explorer) are locked after some amount of time.

This can be attributed to only 2 factors:

1)As of yesterday evening, I created a global preferences file (global_prefs.xml) as mentioned in this thread:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=35341&nowrap=true#454183

2)I installed some IBM Thinkpad updates as mandated by my employer.


Has anyone seen this problem? If I am lucky enough to alt-tab to BOINC, I can choose SUSPEND from the BOINC Activity menu otherwise the only way to solve it is to launch Task Manager and kill:

boinc.exe
boincmgr.exe
setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe

As soon as I kill those 3 (or hit SUSPEND), all keyboard shortcuts that I pressed magically minutes earlier come to life as well as anything I attempted to click on the Taskbar.

This is pretty weird. I'm sure the understanding is that BOINC is eating 100% of my CPU but for some reason, every now and then, the pc pretty much locks (BOINC has all resources/timeslices).

Anyone seen this issue? It *seems* to happen when the BOINC has been running for 15+ minutes. I do have a screensaver that kicks in at the 20 minute mark (again, mandated by my employer) but I don't think that's it...otherwise I would have noticed the locking days ago upon first installation. I was just using my pc for about 15 minutes and then the Taskbar locked.

-Eric


Your problem is called "Thinkpad Away Manager". Uninstall it and things will work find. See:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=35324&nowrap=true#456654

7) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC/SETI causes trouble on Core Duo Laptop (Message 456654)
Posted 13 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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@ miw

I'm gonna hunt down all the extra services that IBM install to run thinkpads and see if I can find one of them causing the problem....



Found the problem. It's called "Thinkvantage Away Manager". It's a piece of IBM bloatware that is supposed to improve performance by stopping some tasks from running when the CPU is busy. Seems to me it chains itself into some software interrupts and then refuses to run when CPU is 100%.

Anything chained behind it in the SWIs waits forever to run.

Uninstalled it and everything is fine now....
8) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC/SETI causes trouble on Core Duo Laptop (Message 455015)
Posted 11 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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@ miw

Did you find any more out about this problem? Eric is having the same difficulties with an IBM Thinkpad in this thread


Well, I have not found a decent workaround yet, since setting the Laptop (which is also a Thinkpad - X60) to not work while user is active means it barely crunches during the day.

For the time being, what I do is when I want to open an Excel or Word file or visit a link out of a mail message or hibernate or whatever, I pull the power pack out and go to battery. BOINC suspends, and everything works. Then I put the power back in.

However, knowing that Eric also has the same problem with his thinkpad gives me some ideas, as well as letting me know I am not going crazy. :-)

I'm gonna hunt down all the extra services that IBM install to run thinkpads and see if I can find one of them causing the problem....

9) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC/SETI causes trouble on Core Duo Laptop (Message 454155)
Posted 9 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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Go to your user preferences on the website and tell it to not let seti use more than say 95%.. Problem solved..


Yes. It is a partial solution. At least the processes do actually start in this case. Unfortunately, the throttling algorithm seems to be a duty cycle with a 1s granularity. That is, if you set it to use no more than 95%, then BOINC runs for 19s and then suspends for 1s. If you set it to use no more than 98%, then it runs for 49s and pauses for 1s.

So if I set it to use 95%, then I still have to wait 10s on average for my process to launch.

It would be more intereating to find out why BOINC is blocking DDE messages. Is it a problem with BOINC or with the particular windows setup on my PC. If anyone knows about DDE and could suggest things I could do to debug this, then I would be most grateful.

10) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC/SETI causes trouble on Core Duo Laptop (Message 454152)
Posted 9 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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How much RAM does the system have? How many Processors? What else is running? (In other words, is the OS thrashing?)


1 Processor, 2 cores, 1GB RAM. Definitely not thrashing.

Except for this process launch problem which I think may be linked to DDE strangeness, everything is fine.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC/SETI causes trouble on Core Duo Laptop (Message 453573)
Posted 8 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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Check to see what priority the boinc executables are running at...


Running at low priority, just like on my other BOINC installations. But the effect is as if it were running at "real time" priority. :-(

12) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC/SETI causes trouble on Core Duo Laptop (Message 453560)
Posted 8 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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This is a strange issue I have not seen on any other platforms I have (including some dual-core Athlons.)

Platform: Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz Laptop.
OS: Windows XP SP2
BOINC 5.7.2, Boinc 5.6.5, Boinc 5.4.11

Symptoms: When BOINC/Seti (or any other project) is running, I can't hibernate, can't open word or excel files by clicking on the file. Can't open a web page by clicking on a link in Thunderbird (whether or not Firefox is running at the time.)

As soon as boinc stops running either by being paused or suspended, or even when I use CPU throttling (which actually (but may be irrelevant)just pauses the app/s regularly) then word/excel document opens, the link is opened, or the laptop suspends.

In other words, the action I tried to do goes into some resource wait state and does not go forward until the CPU drops below 100% - it is waiting for BOINC. This of course should not happen. Nothing should have to wait for BOINC.

Happens with all recent versions of BOINC that I have tried.

Edit: This behaviour does not happen for opening all file types. It happens for Word and Excel, but not PPT and PDF. One thing I can see that is consistent across the file types is that those file types that have a problem have a DDE message in the "open" section under "file types", whereas those that do not have a DDE message. (although they might use DDE)

any thoughts?

13) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti causes Some apps not to start on Intel Dual Core Laptop? (Message 448409)
Posted 2 Nov 2006 by Profile miw
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Folks,

I have a strange problem here....

I've got a laptop running an Intel Core Duo T2400 processor with Windows XP SP2.

When BOINC is running, some apps take a *very* long time to start if you launch them by clicking on files. (They start just fine if you run the program from the start menu or whatever.)

Powerpoint is fine.
Word takes ages.
Excel takes ages.
Opening a web page by clicking on a link in an email in Thunderbird takes ages (so it's not just microsoft)
Acrobat is fine.

Now, what happens when you click on the file is the folder window freezes up for minutes. If you look in task manager the app is not running yet, so it seems to be a wait for something before the app actually get launched.

If you stop Boinc it works fine.

If you set boinc to throttle the CPU with 5.6.x or 5.7.x Boinc client, then it waits until boinc gets throttled and then the app starts fine. (e.g. if you set it to throttle to 95%, then it will sit waiting for 19 seconds and then go through in the 1 second that BOINC gets stopped.)

It's almost as if launch is not allowed while the CPU is at 100%. When I get a bit of time I'll test it out with some other app that takes 100% of CPU (like prime).

Any thoughts as to why this is happening and how I can stop it from happening? It's quite annoying to have to turn boinc off when I want to work. (Yes. I could set it to not run while I am active, but that will have a similar effect to turning BOINC off in the daytime.)

14) Message boards : Number crunching : New version? (Message 441641)
Posted 22 Oct 2006 by Profile miw
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Noticed in my manager messages tab that a new version has been released.
21/10/2006 18:29:05|SETI@home|Requesting 6 seconds of new work, and reporting 2 completed tasks
21/10/2006 18:29:08||A new version of BOINC (5.6.5) is available for your computer
21/10/2006 18:29:08||Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php to get it.

But when i go to the download page it shows 5.4.11 as being the current version. Showing all gives 5.6.5 as still being a development version.

System hiccup?


If you click on the link for "all versions" you'll find 5.6.5 there, flagged as "may be unstable". I think this version was "never to be released" because they were going straight to version 5.8(?) because there was not enough resource to properly test both and the improvements in 5.6 are included in 5.8 anyway.

I also got that message, just once. Probably a hiccup?

I've am trying 5.6.5 out on one of my machines and so far no problems, but YMMV.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : New Dual FX 62 Processors (Message 429728)
Posted 2 Oct 2006 by Profile miw
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My advice......
Forget about AMD until they get their act together again. And I have been running AMD since I upgraded from my Intel 233mmx years ago.
Either wait and see how the new AMD platforms pan out in terms of performance, or if you are itchin' to upgrade now, go Conroe. If you want a rough comparison, check my computers out. Compare the RAC of my FX60 with the 3 Conroe systems I have running. Even the E6600 rig has almost double the RAC of the FX60 (all of these systems are oc'd heavily, all running Chicken optimized apps).
A lot will change again in the coming months when Intel and AMD both bring their quad cores to the mainstream market, but if you don't wanna wait, the Conroe is the best bang for the buck available for a long time.


One thing that might be a bit of a wildcard in all of this is the AMD 4x4 programme. Last time I looked, they were talking about having Mobos out around the end of this year that would accept 2x sktAM2 CPUs. that would mean 4 cores on the board this year or January and 8 cores sometime mid-2007 when you can upgrade to 4-core CPUs.

Basically it means you can have 2 CPUs on the motherboard without having to go into the expensive server chips.

16) Message boards : Number crunching : Athlon 64 x2's and v2.10 of crunc3rs app (Message 277251)
Posted 7 Apr 2006 by Profile miw
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Yup. That fixed it! I was having the same problem with the latest Crunch3r app and an Athlon 64 X2 4800+. If no CPU affinity set, then I was losing about 50% of the cycles. In fact this machine had a lower RAC than my A64 3000+ with the same projects. If I set cpu_affinity, then SETI stopped altogether.

Now with the older version and cpu_affinity set, it is crunching twice the WUs it was before, and so far I think the other projects are doing better as well (because cpu_affinity is set.)

--Mark



Got it!

tried 2.09s which is the "older version" from Crunch3rs website and everythings working smoothly, no need for cpu affinity or anything....

anyone know how I get hold of crunch3r to let him/her know that AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor based systems should use the old version of the Athlon 64 SSE3 optimised client?

17) Message boards : Number crunching : My God.....It's full of stars!! (Message 263896)
Posted 18 Mar 2006 by Profile miw
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Hmm..... Donated $50 about a year ago, but no star. Guess I'll just have to try again. :-)




aaah. that's better........
18) Message boards : Number crunching : My God.....It's full of stars!! (Message 263874)
Posted 18 Mar 2006 by Profile miw
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Hmm..... Donated $50 about a year ago, but no star. Guess I'll just have to try again. :-)

19) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimized Boinc CC v5.3.6 + modifications (Message 263871)
Posted 18 Mar 2006 by Profile miw
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I've been running tx36 for some time now, without any significant problems.

However, I notice that even after well in excess of 50 WUs going through, calibration is still getting blocked by the negative calibration limit for predictor and einstein:

e.g.
--------
2006-03-18 16:18:13 [Einstein@Home] CC calibration: blocked [negative calibration limit] 33.69 >> 17.03 (time: 5452s >> 2688s / Gfpops: 2.43 >> 2.70)
-------

Calibration is working nicely for SETI (which has Crunch3r optimised client).

It's not causing me major heartburn, because in the end I request more credit than I get, but I was wondering if others have seen this and if it goes on forever or eventually calibrates itself away.

cheers,

20) Message boards : Number crunching : Truxsoft/Crunch3r wierdness (Message 263866)
Posted 18 Mar 2006 by Profile miw
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Has anybody else noticed the following wierdness?

Machine: AMD Athlon64 X2 4800, Windows XP

Running Truxsoft tx36 calibrated client
BoincManager 5.2.13
Crunch3r optimised Seti client, AMD A64, SSE2,SSE3 version

When I have Truxsoft <cpu-affinity/> option set, most seti results race up to about 17% in just under a minute and then sit there grinding away without making progress forever. A few (maybe 1 in 10) run to completion. I gave one unit about 36 hours and another couple in excess of 6 hours to make progress but no dice.

None of my other projects (including optimised Albert C37, standard Predictor and Climate Prediction) seem to have any problems on this machine, nor are there any problems for Crunch3r on my single-CPU machines.

I just disabled CPU-affinnity and all seems to be well on the dual-core box now.

cheers,





 
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