Posts by Mad Moggies

1) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : MAC OS 10.4 BOINC/SETI no longer work (Message 187915)
Posted 11 Nov 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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I'm using the Team MacNN version of both BOINC Manager and SETI (which runs at 4 times the speed of the standard version but without graphics or screensaver), so I don't know if that works better with Tiger than the 'official' version.

I upgraded to OS 10.4 on 6th November and SETI Boinc is still working fine with all work units producing results, apart from two which disappeared after upgrading the Seti version I use to the 10.4 version.

I don't think the 'official' version has different software for 10.4, so just try re-installing it or make sure it's the latest version.

2) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : May I get the G4-optimized BOINC Manager ? (Message 171758)
Posted 25 Sep 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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The new SETI client will run 3 to 4 times faster than the standard SETI client.C


It's amazingly fast! Even on my G4 450MHz WUs are only taking 3 hours instead of the 12 they used to. (However, the project seems to have run out of WUs at the moment as it's not given me a new one today after I uploaded the latest completed one.)
3) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Faster core client needed (Message 171047)
Posted 23 Sep 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Up and running and it seems REALLY fast as you say, CW! If this first WU continues the way it's going, it will be done in between 1/3 and 1/4 the time they usually take! (Or could it just be a rather small WU?)


Yes!!! Done in under 1/4 the usual time it was taking with the regular version. And .... the Mac was granted several times more credit than it claimed, rather than considerably less as has been happening recently.
4) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Faster core client needed (Message 170791)
Posted 22 Sep 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Maybe the Alpha for G4's will work on your Mac since it is not processor specific. I just installed it and it seems SMOKIN fast!


Thanks CW, I've downloaded it now and will install it and try it out when the current WU finishes.


Up and running and it seems REALLY fast as you say, CW! If this first WU continues the way it's going, it will be done in between 1/3 and 1/4 the time they usually take! (Or could it just be a rather small WU?)
5) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Faster core client needed (Message 169525)
Posted 19 Sep 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Maybe the Alpha for G4's will work on your Mac since it is not processor specific. I just installed it and it seems SMOKIN fast!


Thanks CW, I've downloaded it now and will install it and try it out when the current WU finishes.
6) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Faster core client needed (Message 168918)
Posted 17 Sep 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Anything less than 1GHz would be the 7400 version. I think.


Thanks Bill. I'm pretty sure that was the one I tried but it didn't seem to work. Maybe at under 0.5GHz, my Mac just isn't powerful enough for it!
7) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Faster core client needed (Message 167948)
Posted 15 Sep 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Actually it is the 7447A according to Mactracker. It is the late 2004 iBook 1.2 GHz G4.

Thanks for the info on the 7450.


So, which of these versions of SETI would work on my Summer 2000 G4 450MHz Powermac, if any? There doesn't seem to be a 7*** specification anywhere in my system profile, so I've no idea what this is! I did try installing one version, 7400, a while back and everything seized up, so I had to start again from scratch and get the current official version of SETI 4.18 to download again. I'm currently using BOINC Manager 4.44 from team MacNN along with Einstein 4.82.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : How about a news update (Message 160180)
Posted 30 Aug 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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meanwhile I've got 10 PCs here running enstine@home as I've run out of WUs on everything.


I've only got one Mac but if I can't upload soon, the deadline will be past for one WU and probably a second. Doesn't sound a lot but they take in excess of 10 hours each.
9) Questions and Answers : Getting started : upload problems (Message 158231)
Posted 27 Aug 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Please read the front page news, the server status and the technical news for all that has happened in the past couple of weeks. It'll also explain why the schedulers are down.


But what happens if a work unit finished in plenty of time misses the deadline because of these problems? I have one which BOINC has been trying to upload for the last couple of days and another which will be ready in a day or two (I also run Einstein alongside SETI) but at this rate the deadline will have gone by the time they're uploaded.
10) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Odd thing happening with times (Message 152161)
Posted 16 Aug 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Well for what it is worth, barring any last day glitches, it looks like Einstein's "beta app for Mac" may become the mainstream very soon. That will drop crunch time for G4 and G5 computers in half on Einstein. It has some very agressive Altivec enhancements and is created by the Einstein team. You won't need to do anything except be attached to Einstein to get it.

http://members.dslextreme.com/~readerforum/forum_team/boinc.html

The team MacNN BOINC client will reduce the time estimates to a more realistic level. If you haven't tried it, you may also want to check out JavaLizard's optimized SETI app at the bottom of the same page. It will reduce the times for the SETI work units as well. The combination should let you run both projects without problems. Might need to increase your cache slightly to get Einstein work. Maybe .3 or .35. As long as you are running at least 40% Einstein on resource share you should be okay timewise. Keep watching the Einstein home page for an annoucement. But don't drop SETI either. There are some exciting possibilities being worked on for Macs running SETI by a couple of folks out Berkeley way.



Thanks, Shaktai. I'm using Einstein 0.12 at the moment and think that's the version you are talking about.

As for the optimised version of SETI, I saw it but wasn't sure what the 7400/7410 and 7450 meant, so didn't download it and install it in case it messed things up, this Mac being a 5 year old G4!
11) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Odd thing happening with times (Message 152160)
Posted 16 Aug 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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You can swap the new BOINC 4.44 in without harming any WU that are currently being calculated.
C


Thanks, C, I'll do that then.
12) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Odd thing happening with times (Message 151758)
Posted 15 Aug 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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I've only got the one computer, the Mac as described fully in my question!

I have 'connect to' set at 0.25 days as I didn't seem to be getting any work from Einstein when it was set at 0.1. I usually have one SETI unit running and one waiting. Ditto with Einstein if I let it but because of the one week deadline (and I don't have my Mac running 100% of the time) I now just let the one unit in at a time. I have SETI set for a 100 share and Einstein set at 200 because of the shorter deadline.

With Einstein, I'm running the beta version 0.12 now (the previous two beta versions kept hanging, which was the main problem in getting a WU processed in time). The time estimates with Einstein seem pretty accurate, so I don't think it can be a BOINC problem - rather a SETI one but I've downloaded BOINC version 4.44 from MacNN and will try that once the current WUs have finished.
13) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Odd thing happening with times (Message 150927)
Posted 13 Aug 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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I'm using BOINC Manager version 4.43 with SETI@home version 4.18, on a 450mHz G4 Powermac with 768MB RAM and running Panther 10.3.9. I was recently running Einstein too but currently have it suspended as an Eistein WU takes ages on this Mac and I kept missing the shorter deadlines.

When a SETI WU is waiting to be processed, it gives what looks like a very long time as an estimate 'to completion'. As soon as the unit starts to be processed, the 'to completion' time drops to something incredibly short till 'Progress' reaches 25%. Then, the 'to completion' number increases till 'Progress' reaches 50%, when it starts decreasing as one would expect though not at the same rate as the 'CPU time' is increasing.

I find this very odd. The time a WU takes usually seems to be around half the 'to completion' time given at download.

Has anyone else seen this odd behaviour?
14) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Computer added twice more! (Message 143118)
Posted 26 Jul 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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All you need to do is click on 'merge computers' at the bottom of the page which shows details of one of them and then follow the instructions for merging them.

At the top of the page it says it sometimes shows the same computer more than once with a different number by mistake!
15) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : BOINC not working, seti@home still seems to be processing wu's - totally cofused. (Message 141551)
Posted 23 Jul 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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I know this is a bit off-topic for SETI but I'm in the UK too and I can tell you that certain ISPs don't charge for you to migrate your broadband to them and they're a LOT cheaper than BT. Check out PlusNet for example, which will run with any OS as far as I'm aware, as you don't need any third party software to set it up.
16) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Boinc stats do not match 'classic' stats (Message 135966)
Posted 13 Jul 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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That is not really useful information...
as the 4000 missing WUs are .... somewhere....

so the 4000 units are ?
in the Bahamas on vacaation?
on Mars visiting their source?

at what point, if ever, will these WUs be posted?


The missing units can be found in your User Account on the SETI Classic site as they always have been. It's just the address that's changed. You can find it here: http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/account_area.html

When SETI Classic eventually finishes, the final total will be shown on your SETI BOINC Account Page. When that will be, I have no idea!

Hope this helps explain things.
17) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Let's Start with what we KNOW people...What do we have that WORKS?!!! for mac users is this ANYTHING?!!! (Message 134198)
Posted 8 Jul 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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... the boinc menulet (and where the hell did that come from, its wasn't there yesterday!!!!!)


It's sometimes there and sometimes isn't, I find. Depends on what program I'm running, i.e. how many toolbar items there are for that program, and therefore how many menulets have room to appear - I've got rather a lot of them in my toolbar!
18) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Let's Start with what we KNOW people...What do we have that WORKS?!!! for mac users is this ANYTHING?!!! (Message 134194)
Posted 8 Jul 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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"show graphics" tip above does not work, is the data still being processes?


The screensaver only seems to work if you keep both BOINC Manager and the SETI graphics application running. Also, in the BOINC Manager 'File' drop-down menu you have to select 'Run always'. Sorry, I forgot to mention that earlier.
19) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : "Old "SETI setup? (Message 133726)
Posted 7 Jul 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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Will it be MAC compatible and will I get credit for all the data I processed? Also, I had a lot of data ubder london1649@aol.com but have since left AOL and I did not have a REG #! Any way to retrieve it?Thanks


Yes, it is Mac compatible, so long as you are using Mac OSX 10.3.9 or later (for earlier versions it won't run properly on the easiest/latest version of BOINC).

You'll need to register for BOINC. You can link it with your old SETI@home account and you can do that even if you no longer use the same email address you had when you registered for that.
See: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_email_form.php

You will then need to download BOINC and then set it up to attach to the SETI project using your new registration number.
This is a link to the latest version: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php?platform=mac&i=0

I'm not sure if this is all you need to know but it's as far as I can help!
Hope it's enough info for you.
20) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Let's Start with what we KNOW people...What do we have that WORKS?!!! for mac users is this ANYTHING?!!! (Message 133648)
Posted 7 Jul 2005 by Profile Mad Moggies
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...I can launch the graphics fine in a window but no screensaver.... I think it's just poor programming and the lack of definitive answers speaks volumns...


If you can launch the graphics then you should be able to get the screensaver.

The screensaver only seems to work when the graphics are running (even if you have closed the window or hidden it) and therefore showing in the dock. The trick is that you have to click 'show graphics' each time you start SETI BOINC, in order to get the screensaver to come up.

Hope this helps!


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