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hydrogen vs helium for weathue baloons.
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![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11451 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 ![]() ![]() |
hydrogen vs helium for weathue baloons. I posit h should used rather than he my resoning is 1 he is rare and finite and expensive. 2 we can make all the h we want 3 h is lighter and has more lift so smaller baloons can be uaed. |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1752 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
He: [1] costs: 6...7 €/m³ = $6.51...$7.6 / m³ = 18.43...21.52 ct/cuft (wholesale price) large weather balloon: weight: 3,000 g (6.61 lb); payload: 3,000 g (6.61 lb), volume: 6.3 m³ (222.48 cuft) @norm pressure ---> diameter: @norm pressure: 2.3 m (7.55 ft); burst diameter: ~13 m (~42.65 ft) in stratosphere @~40 km (~131,234 ft) He for balloon costs: 18.43...21.52 ct/cuft * 222.48 cuft = $41.00...$47.88 for each balloon H (cheapest "gray" hydrogen through steam methane reforming): 3 €/kg = $3.255 / kg = $1.45 / lb. 1 kg H @norm pressure = 11.24m³ --> $0.2896 / m³ = 0.82 ct/cuft --> He costs about twenty-five times more than H --> lower density of H... higher payload.... Source: [1] (German) Federal Institute for Geosciences and Natural Resources (BGR) |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1752 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
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rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22818 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
Flammability of Hydrogen is quite an issue, not just in the ground handling, but also in the low altitude segment of the flight. The cost of inflating a "professional" balloon is not really a factor in the cost of flying a balloon - the payload must be considered expendable and will vary between a few hundred dollars (single instrument pack, with minimal data transmission or storage) to several thousand, depending on the nature of the science pack and the intended flight duration. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1752 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
found a calculation from a school project to start a weather balloon:
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