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Message 2141272 - Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 10:57:36 UTC - in response to Message 2141238.  

I have the nerve to adapt two statements to reality (there may be a hint of sarcasm too):
Israel's devastating war in Gaza The devastating war Hamas waged against Israel is nearing its one-year mark, while tensions with the war Hezbollah, the Iran-backed group in Lebanon, started one day later are pushing the nation to the brink of a broader regional conflict. Internationally, Israel finds itself increasingly isolated, led by a polarizing figure whose wartime policies have ignited protests both abroad and at home.

"Netanyahu is arriving at the U.N. almost as a persona non grata," [...] while internationally respected peacemaker, Iran's PM Pezeshkian bravely opposes him in New York.
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Message 2141333 - Posted: 27 Sep 2024, 20:48:37 UTC

While his mob of butchers continue on with their war crimes Adolf Benji walked into a half empty General Assembly and then half of those there walked out on him.

A telling sign that many just didn't want to listen to his continuing lying B.S..
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Message 2141351 - Posted: 28 Sep 2024, 4:34:49 UTC - in response to Message 2141333.  

I would venture that BS to be why he has to shutter fact based reporting, seize equipment and target journalists. Only his lies are to be told or prepare to be shot.
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Message 2141357 - Posted: 28 Sep 2024, 11:20:39 UTC

For a very succinct summary of the 'Holy Land' from a Western perspective, see:

Noam Chomsky - Why Does the U.S. Support Israel?


That 2000 year summary gives a very good explosive lesson for the history and politics of what the Western influence is.

All a modern day repeat of the Egyptians and then the Romans and then the Ottomans?...


Is there a similarly succinct summary giving the Eastern history and politics?


Meanwhile, the Gazans are given whatever name depending upon their position in the crosshairs of the crossroads of proxy wars...

How do they get out of that?

Especially when none of the Arab lands will accept any of them...


All in our very deadly political world...
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Message 2141406 - Posted: 29 Sep 2024, 20:39:42 UTC - in response to Message 2141333.  

While his mob of butchers continue on with their war crimes Adolf Benji walked into a half empty General Assembly and then half of those there walked out on him.
They prefer to walk out instead of listen; they render the General Assembly a Partial Assembly. Which again demonstrates the GA's main deficit: the inability of the majority of its member states to understand democratic principles or engage in debate. Why should anyone care about those who abstain from following the debate?
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Message 2141411 - Posted: 29 Sep 2024, 21:15:29 UTC - in response to Message 2141406.  

While his mob of butchers continue on with their war crimes Adolf Benji walked into a half empty General Assembly and then half of those there walked out on him.
They prefer to walk out instead of listen.
Why would any sane state listen to propaganda?
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Message 2141414 - Posted: 29 Sep 2024, 23:04:34 UTC
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What I did find strange is that while a few news sites showed footage of many Israeli protesters along with groups of Ultra-Orthodox members joining in peacefully with Palestinian and Lebanese protesters against Adolf Benji in New York while many other sites didn't even acknowledge their presence there just focusing on the Palestinian and Lebanese instead.
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Message 2141417 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 0:44:01 UTC - in response to Message 2141414.  

What I did find strange is that while a few news sites showed footage of many Israeli protesters along with groups of Ultra-Orthodox members joining in peacefully with Palestinian and Lebanese protesters against Adolf Benji in New York while many other sites didn't even acknowledge their presence there just focusing on the Palestinian and Lebanese instead.

But to balance that out there were also photos of Syrian and Lebanese peoples celebrating the deaths of the Hezbollah leaders.
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Message 2141424 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 7:25:53 UTC - in response to Message 2141411.  

They prefer to walk out instead of listen.
Why would any sane state listen to propaganda?
If dissenting opinion is propaganda, and therefore to be ignored, then our parliaments would have to be virtually deserted most of the time.
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Message 2141428 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 8:02:53 UTC

I miss reports and condemnations of Benji's slaughter of the poor Yemenis. Hmmm, that's polemical.

As in Lebanon: how can a government give an effective stop signal to an aggressor who is bombarding its cities with ballistic missiles? Even knowing that it is probably not the will of the majority of Yemenis to attack Israel; but of its ruling Houthi militia, i.e. the Mullahs. The militia actually bears responsibility for the acts of war that emanate from the territory it reigns. The fact that they are bombarding and destroying arbitrary merchant ships in the Red Sea is ignored by the West. Freedom of navigation? No longer in the Red Sea. The Lebanese government is responsible for Hezbollah's aggression; without being able to prevent it in any way. Lebanon has obviously long since ceased to be a sovereign state that determines its own destiny.

Appeasement does not work, not for Lebanon, not in Yemen. But economic and diplomatic pressure on those responsible could have helped avert the current situation in recent decades. What did the UN, US, UK, other major powers during all this time? Ignorance[*] and appeasement. In the case of UN: public support for the aggressors, disguised as support for oppressed peoples. Today's outraged warnings and demands of all those who are concerned about peace and possible further escalations come far too late.

[*] Ignorance is understandable if one remembers the hundreds of US and French troops who had been killed in Beirut in the past; as well as the non-existent prospect of being able to change anything for the better by peaceful means.
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Message 2141430 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 10:21:32 UTC - in response to Message 2141428.  

... as well as the non-existent prospect of being able to change anything for the better by peaceful means.
And therein lies the problem. Our species - which has arrogantly chosen to describe itself as Homo 'Sapiens' - is nothing of the sort. OK, we might reasonably call ourselves 'clever', but by no stretch of the imagination can we call ourselves 'wise'.
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Message 2141431 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 12:57:29 UTC - in response to Message 2141428.  

The fact that they are bombarding and destroying arbitrary merchant ships in the Red Sea is ignored by the West.

Yes, total ignorance. https://www.newsweek.com/red-sea-attack-warships-houthis-1960737
West is doing nothing.

I guess because the west doesn't engage in total slaughter, like Benji, that is "ignorance."
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Message 2141440 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 19:27:24 UTC

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Message 2141456 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 22:28:00 UTC

And now we have Hezbollah supporters: ‘Everyone has abandoned us and now Iran has, too’
A fortnight ago, there would have been no questioning the devotion felt by Lebanese Shia Muslims for Iran.
As for their brethren across the Middle East, Iran has long been their political and spiritual lodestar. “What the Vatican is for you Christians, Iran is for us Shia – only more so,” one is often told by Shias in Lebanon and elsewhere in the region.
Yet with Iran shying away from direct confrontation with Israel even as Hezbollah – its creation and most important proxy – lurches ever deeper into crisis, there are mounting signs that, in Lebanon at least, loyalty has begun to slip.
Beirut’s famous Corniche, a seaside promenade where fashionable residents of the Lebanese capital have long come to take the air, has for the past few days become a refuge for many Shia Muslims fleeing Israeli bombing raids on the city’s southern suburbs.
Among this community of the newly homeless stretching the length of the three-mile esplanade, it is not difficult to find discontent directed at Iran, with emotions ranging from philosophical disappointment to angry accusations of betrayal and outlandish conspiracy theories.
“If Iran had wanted to help, they would have helped a long time ago,” said Hana Mrad, a 43-year-old housewife who has been sleeping in her car with her two daughters since the air strikes that killed Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah’s leader, on Friday evening.

“Everyone has abandoned us and now Iran has, too.”
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Message 2141460 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 22:54:33 UTC - in response to Message 2141430.  

... as well as the non-existent prospect of being able to change anything for the better by peaceful means.
And therein lies the problem. Our species - which has arrogantly chosen to describe itself as Homo 'Sapiens' - is nothing of the sort. OK, we might reasonably call ourselves 'clever', but by no stretch of the imagination can we call ourselves 'wise'.
That's right; "non-existent" is wrong. I actually meant: not apparent prospects at the moment.
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Message 2141461 - Posted: 30 Sep 2024, 23:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 2141431.  

I guess because the west doesn't engage in total slaughter, like Benji, that is "ignorance."
It is 'total slaughter' to stop Houthis from violating international maritime law? The world over the last 200 years and our current economic model, globalization, are based on free sea trade, freedom of navigation; protected by a number of naval powers; the first of which was the Royal Navy. If the West decides (or allows through indifference) to no longer enforce maritime laws, then the state of world affairs will regress to the era before: Privateering, piracy on behalf of states, warlike trade competition. All trading nations in the world should have a great interest in enforcing the existing maritime laws.

In the past decade the international community took fierce action against piracy off the coast of East Africa, although the cause was also the unfair exploitation of fish stocks by international fishing companies. The Yemenis are not being exploited or their rights being disregarded by commercial cargo shipping.

There is the 'broken window theory': neglecting rules of order leads to further disorder... ultimately regional or widespread anarchy. Presumably something could be learned from this theory for the future of sea trade. The stronger... the powerful wins; the weak are devoured?
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Message 2141462 - Posted: 1 Oct 2024, 0:24:13 UTC - in response to Message 2141440.  

Hamas leader in Lebanon 'worked undercover as a teacher for UN refugee agency' [...]

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-hamas-commander-killed-unwra-employee-israel-999ec22c1fef953f4f1b8b40a4c95b35
[...] He was a principal, head of UNRWA teachers association in Lebanon.

A Hamas statement praised Sharif for his “educational and jihadist work” and called him “a successful teacher and an outstanding principal” for generations of Palestinian refugees.
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Message 2141533 - Posted: 3 Oct 2024, 8:05:20 UTC
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There's no point in telling lying Adolf Benji what to do Joe as he'll just do the opposite anyway just to drag you into WWIII with him. Just cut him off.

Israel-Hezbollah-Iran conflict updates: Terrifying warning as Beirut hit, thousands flee, ‘Axis of resistance’ lines up against Israel.
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Message 2141544 - Posted: 3 Oct 2024, 13:00:49 UTC

It will stop when Tel Aviv looks like Gaza city.
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Message 2141561 - Posted: 3 Oct 2024, 20:31:00 UTC

Now Adolf Benji wants to draw PooTin into joining in with WWIII.

Fireball as Israel ‘attacks’ Syria air base used by Russia.

Adolf Benji must be stopped.
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