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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... it's as simple as that... Very much not simple at all when you have Iran and Russia, for their games of uncompromising world domination, desperately stirring the cauldron with fuel, weapons, and hate. There is also Qatar in there festering in the mix in support of Iran... Add into that a very deliberate financed program in Gaza to give birth to as many children as possible, who are then Hamas-indoctrinated, to attack and destroy all and anything Israeli. There is now a generation there of angry teenagers spewing mindless biblical hate... ... Hence the gut wrenching atrocities spewed out with over 5000 random rockets and worse. That attack, and the atrocities, has touched the entire world. Even for myself here far away in the UK, I have directly heard and felt the results. For one of my friends here, her parents were on the receiving end of one of those rockets overnight, their local time. By chance/luck, they survived. Their lifelong friends and neighbours in the nearby houses did not. Our world is very widely connected. The hate generated by the Hamas atrocities, and by the generated conflict, goes worldwide. And Hamas are puppets of Iran and Russia. Stay safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Unfortunately, we have deadly games at play. Except... This is for very real people. The forgotten Israeli hostages kept by Hamas in Gaza for years wrote: The anguish over some 200 people kidnapped by Hamas in its brutal attack on Israel is in the spotlight - but Hamas has been holding at least two Israelis for years... And from some of the interviews I've seen, there is extreme motivation and passion for Israel to be rid of Hamas. There is a very potent and extremely highly motivated army there waiting to take very direct action. Stay safe folks? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And there is the otherworldly war of propaganda: How Israel-Hamas war disinformation is being spread online wrote: The video shows a young boy in a black T-shirt apparently lying in a pool of blood on the ground... How do we undo the hate? Stay safe folks? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30923 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 7234 Credit: 2,084,789 RAC: 3 |
I do not read the other posts, but that the Palestinians should distance themselves from Hamas. Just being poor is not the same as conquest of land when it could be only wars for such a thing. The borders of Israel is set by the United Nations, and that the Gaza Strip is self-governing Palestinian territory. Because of that they also should respect such a thing when still being oppressed and not having any sovereign state. Also that the nation of Israel was established by the United Nation as well for a compensation for Holocaust. The Second World War in Europe needed help from the United States to finish, except still only being an undeclared war. Therefore not any finished for only the conditions it became. I think that other nations should better agree for not any quarrel, because that should be the best solution. |
bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 7234 Credit: 2,084,789 RAC: 3 |
And when that of Politics, also evil being allowed to post about. But only for being a Sequence next also created and that evil and destruction could be interacting. So here evil created for just only part of nature for still destruction also happening, and nature for its origin could be a different thing. I could still wipe a couple of tears for not any cynical instead, but that it should be still only for nature. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... I think that other nations should better agree for not any quarrel, because that should be the best solution. I agree. However... We have some crazy despots at play who care nothing of being agreeable. Indeed, the crazy despots controlling Russia, Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah need to have a war to have a reason to stay in power... (And to continue to enjoy their lavish corrupt lifestyles...) How do we reign in Iran and Russia? Market/Political sanctions seem not to be working... And then we have Qatar financing Hamas and Hezbollah. Unfortunately, Qatar supplies a lot of gas to power the world of economics and pollution... How do we make the politics of the despots less deadly? All in our deadly world... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 7234 Credit: 2,084,789 RAC: 3 |
Martin, it becomes their Politics, and next only for separate. Democracy is only a way of governing for also that of Dictatorship, and next it becomes Anarchy not having such a thing. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Until their politics all too often spill over into the rest of the world... Especially so whilst their politics is to conquer the world... Stay safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 7234 Credit: 2,084,789 RAC: 3 |
I do not completely agree with you on Russia, ML1, because I think Putin has rational senses left. The sad thing is that he lost senses on Ukraine, and here it becomes completely wrong. Only that Putin thinks he is a tsar, and following in the same footsteps. Also that China is following a mixed doctrine which does not make it to an aggressor all the time either. Rather that some other people in the hierarchy could be nicknamed "demagogs". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Zhukov If having the name correct, this was an outstanding man who knew what freedom is, and here he liberated northern Europe. The sad thing is that it is Ideologies which makes decisions and for one thing it could be Democracies and for the other Autocracies. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30923 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And then we have Qatar financing Hamas and Hezbollah. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-a-militant-group-like-hamas-get-its-money-2023-10 Oct 21, 2023, <ed>bbcode |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19310 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Such aid is meant to provide drinking water International aid has done that, using metal pipes that the terrorists find are just the right diameter to make rockets. Therefore, no pipes left to transport water to the needy Palestinians. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Small diameter plastic pipes next time? ... Or... Far better... No Hamas or other radicals for a "next time"?... Be excellent to one another! Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
There remains the question of "what" afterwards? How can the 2 million or so indoctrinated and traumatized prisoners of Gaza, that were born in Gaza and know only the small world of Gaza, somehow be rehabilitated? How can a few million weary and traumatized and fearful Israelis be allowed to feel secure and at peace with their genocidal neighbours? The concrete walls of Arkham merely delayed this latest round of atrocities against them... (The backstory for Arkham City looks to be an all too horrible real world parallel to how the "Palestinian Liberation Organization" has rule over the Palestinian areas. Do we need new people with less corruption to replace the old?... On BOTH sides of the concrete walls?) Be excellent to one and all. Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36336 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
This would help a lot. The End of Netanyahu. .....Israelis do not forgive failures to secure their safety. Golda Meir left politics after the debacle of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, in which Israel lost nearly 3,000 soldiers following a surprise Egyptian and Syrian attack. Her name is reviled by some in the country to this day. But what happened on October 7, 2023, was worse than what happened on October 6, 1973. Meir lost soldiers—people who had purposely put their lives on the line. Netanyahu lost civilians—the people the state and its soldiers were supposed to protect.There are many snakes about and Benji IMHO is the worse of the lot who needs to go as his policies have brought this latest conflict to fruition. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20961 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And amongst the human snakes, there is Abbas and his PLO... How come he is not in the news? How is it that the PLO are so silent?? Note that despite the letters "PLO", this is no black comedy sketch from Monty Python... Where is Brian to save the day? There is a more widespread need of reform needed for any peace to have a chance... Be excellent to one another. Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30923 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
How is it that the PLO are so silent?? The Zionists destabilized them and removed them from power; now they reap the rewards of their hard work, the rise of Hamas and Hezbollah. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30923 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
How can a few million weary and traumatized and fearful Israelis be allowed to feel secure and at peace with their genocidal neighbours? A requirement that they can only marry each other and not among themselves. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36336 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Exactly. The Israeli government headed by wannabe dictator Benji and his far right Zionists has made their bed and now they must be made to sleep in it or forced to unmake it.How is it that the PLO are so silent??The Zionists destabilized them and removed them from power; now they reap the rewards of their hard work, the rise of Hamas and Hezbollah. The west must stop pandering to this equally corrupt and terrorist government. Murder and land stealing is all they know just as well. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1058 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
I had no intention of starting a discussion about religion. Where I grew up, religion no longer existed in the society. Later, as an adult, I discovered that religions exist and tried to understand them, to fathom their history, or at least understand their principles; in the sense of enlightenment, wanting to understand the here and now. That's all. I can follow Mr. Kevvy's thoughts that in many autocracies today substitute religions are used for brainwashing. In any case, it's not religion that drives Russia's soldiers to their doom, but pure violence and centuries of servitude. ...off topic. |
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