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Message 2139057 - Posted: 2 Aug 2024, 17:24:25 UTC

Killing of Hamas leader 'doesn't help' ceasefire talks, says Biden
At the end of May, Mr Biden outlined what he said were the terms of an Israeli ceasefire proposal. This has become the basis for on-off indirect negotiations between Hamas and Israel since then, with Qatar, Egypt and the US acting as mediators.

Earlier this week, Israel and Hamas accused each other of obstructing progress. Hamas said Israel had introduced new conditions, while Mr Netanyahu's office said Hamas had demanded 29 changes to the proposal.
They are not interested to agree on Biden's proposal. BOTH sides! If they were, such details would not reach the public.
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Message 2139081 - Posted: 3 Aug 2024, 0:49:38 UTC - in response to Message 2139057.  

yes, there is much profit to be made from low level conflict.
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Message 2139327 - Posted: 10 Aug 2024, 9:21:26 UTC

The same old worn out excuses keep on coming from Adolf Benji and fascist butchers, but most of us know that they don't want peace as they just want the genocide to continue.

At least 100 Palestinians killed in Israeli air strike on school in Gaza, local authorities say.

At least 100 Palestinians have been killed and dozens have been wounded in an Israeli air strike on a school sheltering displaced people in the Daraj district, east of Gaza city.

"The Israeli strikes targeted the displaced people while performing Fajr (dawn) prayers, and this is what led to a rapid increase in the number of casualties," the Gaza government media office said in a statement.

Medics had not yet been able to reach all the bodies, it said.

Graphic vision from the scene shows body parts strewn among the rubble, with health officials saying they are unable to match all to their owners......
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Message 2139430 - Posted: 13 Aug 2024, 21:50:05 UTC

The U.S. just doesn't learn. :-(

US Approves $20 Billion Arms Deal for Israel.

The United States on Tuesday approved more than $20 billion in weapons sales to Israel.

Reuters reported that the move was approved by U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken. The deal reportedly includes F-15 fighter jets and nearly 33,000 tank cartridges.

According to the Associated Press (AP), Congress was notified about the sale prior to a public announcement from the U.S. Department of State. The sale is said to include more than 50 F-15 fighter jets; Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles, or AMRAAMs; 120 mm tank ammunition and high explosive mortars; and military vehicles.......
Which just makes them even more complicate in genocide.
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Message 2139440 - Posted: 14 Aug 2024, 6:24:38 UTC

Those fascist Israeli Nazis just can't stop themselves from stirring even more crap.

Israeli minister Ben-Gvir's Al-Aqsa Mosque visit was quickly condemned as provocative. Here's why.

Israel's national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has been condemned for a "provocative" visit to a holy site on an important Jewish holiday.

In the Old City of Jerusalem, he visited the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, otherwise known as the Temple Mount, home to some of the world's holiest sites.

It was one of several visits he has made to the site in the middle of the Gaza War, and one which could serve to further increase tensions between Israel and its Muslim neighbours.

The move crosses religious, political and legal thresholds at a particularly sensitive time for the region.........
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Message 2139449 - Posted: 14 Aug 2024, 10:29:23 UTC
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"Provocative"? For Palestinians everything 'non-Arab' is provocative.

But definitely: it is not the time and place to challenge the status quo... the established rules to visit the place. It's like pouring fuel all over the place and reaching for a matchstick.

But inevitably this time will come... because the current agreements for the Temple mount and Palestinian Authority's responsibility for the place since 1994 were intended to achieve a peace agreement (Two state solution). Nothing improved in thirty years.
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Message 2139470 - Posted: 14 Aug 2024, 19:35:56 UTC

Totally unfair, but what is good for 1 should be the same for the other.

Majority of Palestinians fleeing Gaza to Australia have had their visas refused.

The majority of visas from Palestinians fleeing Gaza and seeking entry into Australia following Hamas’ October 7 attacks have been refused, according to figures confirmed by Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.

Out of the 10,033 applications launched in the past 10 months, 7111 were rejected, while 2922 Palestinians were granted entry into Australia.

Out of the 2922 figure, about 1300 refugees have resettled into Australia, who are understood to largely be on short-term visas.

Meanwhile, 8746 Israeli citizens have been granted visas since the October 7 attacks, with [only] 235 applications rejected.......
If we're keeping 1 lot out then we should be doing the same to the other group which is equally responsible for the crap that's happening. Fair is fair.
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Message 2139478 - Posted: 14 Aug 2024, 21:43:46 UTC
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But are Americans allowed to sue the Israeli leaders (who are also terrorists, just with U.S. support) for the same things, or is this just another one way racist thing?

Biden Admin Wants Supreme Court to Let Americans Sue Palestinian Leaders.

The Biden administration is urging the Supreme Court to uphold a 2019 law that would allow Americans injured by acts of terror to sue the Palestinian Authority (PA) and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) for damages.

In a petition filed to the court Tuesday, the Justice Department asked the justices to hear its appeal of a lower court decision that found the law violated constitutional due process protections under the Fifth Amendment—a finding that the government argued "undermines Congress's judgment" and "rests on a series of legal errors.".......
As Adolf Benji's Nazi party can't stop making things worse.

Map Shows Israel's Plans to Expand Settlement in West Bank.

srael has published plans for a new settlement in the occupied West Bank, the country's finance minister announced Wednesday, a month after the United Nation's top court deemed Israeli settlements illegal in the territory.

Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right politician and ally of Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, wrote in Hebrew in a lengthy post on X, formerly Twitter, that the "blue line of 602 dunams was published for the establishment of the settlement of Nahal Heletz," in Gush Etzion, a cluster of settlements in the West Bank.

Smotrich called it part of a "national mission" to connect to Jerusalem.......
It's just wrong to support these Nazi terrorists.
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Message 2139495 - Posted: 15 Aug 2024, 13:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 2139478.  
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Smotrich called it part of a "national mission" to connect to Jerusalem.......
It's just wrong to support these Nazi terrorists.
Whatever happens, Israel will never give up a fixed, secure transit corridor between Israel's coastline and Jerusalem, its capital and administration center, in a peace treaty of any kind. All these wars in 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, [...] 2024 have only strengthened their resolve. You can condemn that, but then please propose credible, feasible alternatives.

As with the settlers. For decades Palestinian's and Arab neighbour's push for terror only strenghtened the settler's beliefs and their resolve; btw. also increased their numbers (birth rates and immigration). This is not an appropriate step towards a progressive, modern society. But in a democracy, fundamentalist morons also have a vote. Let us hope for a fair peace treaty before they become the majority.
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Message 2139498 - Posted: 15 Aug 2024, 13:32:01 UTC - in response to Message 2139495.  

Remember that the UK, USA and France maintained a fixed, secure transit corridor between West Germany and West Berlin throughout the period of separation and the lifetime of the Berlin Wall - I travelled along it by train, at the beginning of a school trip into eastern Europe in 1968, age 16.

The need for the corridor was agreed by both eastern and western politicians, and East Germany policed it. Similar arrangements were made for an air corridor into Tempelhof, though air travel was mostly of lesser importance in the early years.

It can be done, although only by politicians of goodwill talking to each other, after the bombing has stopped. We seem to be a long way behind that curve in the Middle East.
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Message 2139520 - Posted: 15 Aug 2024, 21:35:57 UTC - in response to Message 2139498.  

I agree to Richard's remarks on a hypotetic 'fair' corridor. But in the details and daily practice of such corridors there are tremendous differences why you can't compare the former de-facto exclave (West) Berlin with Jerusalem. The Allied power's occupation of Germany ensured total control; no terrorism, no bandits; no riots; no shootings; no bombs... whatsoever. That's why the transit corridors functioned as long as ALL supervising Allied powers agreed on a common policy.

Things became bumpy at the end of the 1940s when Soviets withdrew from joint administrative bodies; finally stopped transit, ordered a total blockade (persons and goods) (Berlin blockade & Allied airlift), blackmailed their Western "allies" into surrendering Berlin. Later, when tensions eased; again Allied military trains or cars (taboo for Eastern authorities; only Soviets could check them) and civilian so-called "Interzonenzüge" (inter-zonal trains) and cars/trucks passed transit corridors. These corridors weren't merely 'policed' but rather 'harrassed' by East German police and border guards who bullied travellers with rigorous and lengthy passport checks and customs examinations of luggage. Since 1961 (Berlin wall) Eastern guards were also tasked to stop Easterners from illegally leaving the country, e.g. somehow jumping on transit trains or hiding in transiting cars.

Eastern elderlies (entitled for 'outbound visa' >65 years old) were allowed e.g. once a year to leave the country to visit relatives. They were afraid of humilating border checks in these trains (some western goods banned, e.g. political magazines, newspapers)... not different at road crossings. ...at the mercy of border guards. Car drivers were obliged not to leave transit motorways; excessive police checks along the routes; hidden supervision at roadhouses... Westerners were assured of diplomatic support in case of incidents... Easterners at the mercy of their regime. Only in 1972 transit travel became a 'new normal' (for Westerners) when further mutual agreements assured safe and easier passage (transit visas issued without leaving trains or cars; no luggage checks, no extorted transit fees). West Germany had to pay billions to overhaul worn and heavily damaged pre-WW2 transit motorways; even for construction of a missing transit motorway (to Hamburg). Eastern authorities pushed to replace the old transit highway with a motorway to prevent stops in forests or leaving the transit route to secretly meet with and hide refugees.

Sure, nobody was killed on transit, but many scared or intimidated; some arrested without obvious reasons (e.g. behaved disrespectfully). Discovered refugees in transit trains or cars were sentenced to long prison terms until 1989/90 as well as Westerners who helped them. To prevent incidents and blackmailing, western government ordered officials to take the plane (three air corridors for Allied military planes or civilian airlines, bot not German planes). At least air corridors were controlled from a joint control center by all four Allied powers.

As Richard said... a mutually agreed transit corridor, avoiding humilating conditions for travellers, requires peace, goodwill, and depends on mutual trust. I also don't see that... well behind the curve... on the wrong path the Middle East has taken a long time ago.
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Message 2139523 - Posted: 15 Aug 2024, 22:06:53 UTC

After unleashing police violence against students protesting against genocide she finally got the message that she wasn't welcome staying onboard.

Columbia President's Resignation Welcomed by Staff, Students.

The resignation of Columbia University President Minouche Shafik has been welcomed by some students and professors.

Shafik resigned from her position on Wednesday after a tumultuous tenure that saw her face heavy criticism over her handling of student protests against Israel's war in Gaza.

Students set up a pro-Palestinian protest encampment at Columbia in April to demand the university divest from companies they said were enabling the war.

Shafik authorized police to sweep the encampment and arrest more than 100 students on April 18, a move that inspired similar protests at college campuses nationwide. Columbia also cracked down on campus protests by suspending students and canceling classes.

In late April, police in riot gear stormed a building occupied by protesters, forcefully arresting demonstrators. Other universities also cracked down on protests, leading to violent clashes with police and thousands of arrests.

In a letter to the university community, Shafik said: "I have had the honor and privilege to lead this incredible institution, and I believe that—working together—we have made progress in a number of important areas. However, it has also been a period of turmoil where it has been difficult to overcome divergent views across our community."....

....The university's chapter of Jewish Voice for Peace wrote on X that Columbia students "will never forget the sheer violence unleashed upon us by Minouche Shafik, and we will not be placated by her removal as the university's repression of the pro-Palestinian student movement continues."....
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Message 2139527 - Posted: 15 Aug 2024, 23:37:55 UTC

While Adolf Benji and his Nazi mob refuse to sign a peace treaty that has been backed by all other parties, but they do want to escalate the war further.

Israel Official Says Iran War 'Inevitable' and US Should Strike Now.

An Israeli diplomat has told Newsweek that a large-scale confrontation with Iran was guaranteed to come and called on U.S. President Joe Biden to take direct action against the Islamic Republic sooner than later.

"It's inevitable," Fleur Hassan-Nahoum, a special envoy of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, told Newsweek in reference to the looming possibility of a war with Iran as regional tensions threatened to boil over into a serious escalation.

The ominous prediction comes as Iran threatens to exact vengeance against Israel over the unclaimed killing of Hamas Political Bureau chief Ismail Haniyeh two weeks ago in Tehran. The United States has since scrambled to avoid a major retaliation by pushing both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Haniyeh's successor, Yahya Sinwar, toward a ceasefire to their raging war in Gaza......
Adolf Benji is the only 1 that need pushing, but signing a peace treaty will mean his political end and the many courts that are waiting for him to sit for judgement on many levels will get their moments with him.
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Message 2139528 - Posted: 16 Aug 2024, 0:09:02 UTC
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Imagine if Hamas simply decides to release the remaining hostages or their remains, even if a dozen or more are already dead; and then publicly signs Biden's absurd peace deal which does not demand prosecution of Hamas' crimes, instead Israel's complete withdrawal from Gaza. Imagine the immediate worldwide pressure on Israel. Who longer cares about any concerns of Benyi's far-right coalition partners? Blown away.

Hamas refuses to do that... because they hold real IDF soldiers hostage... many of them woman... and military-aged male Jews... evil personified. You can't release evil, can you? It must be destroyed, right?
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Message 2139554 - Posted: 16 Aug 2024, 20:09:20 UTC

What a load of B.S.. Adolf Benji has been encouraging the settler mob by supplying them with money, army uniforms and weapons for them to do what they've been doing for decades now.

Israeli leaders condemn settler attacks in West Bank in rare rebuke of violence.

Israeli leadership has condemned settler attacks in the occupied West Bank that killed one person, in a rare denunciation of settler violence.

The settler riot in the village of Jit, near the city of Nablus in the northern West Bank, killed one Palestinian and badly injured others late Thursday local time, Palestinian health officials said.

Residents interviewed by The Associated Press said at least a hundred masked settlers entered the village, shot live ammunition, burned homes and cars and damaged water tankers.

Sufian Jit, a resident of the village, said he called the army and firefighters, pleading for help against settlers.

Firefighters never came, so villagers ran between burning cars to put out the fires, he said.

After two hours, he said soldiers arrived........
It's also a pretty safe bet that Adolf Benji and his mob of Nazis will throw another spanner into the current peace talks.

Hamas Says Netanyahu Wants an Even Bigger War, Not a Ceasefire.

A senior Hamas official has told Newsweek that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was deliberately blocking a ceasefire deal that would put an end to the 10-month war in the Gaza Strip and was instead seeking to expand the conflict across the region.

The accusation came after a fresh round of negotiations began Thursday in the Qatari capital of Doha with Hamas noticeably absent from talks. As mediators from Qatar and Egypt deliberated on behalf of the Islamist Palestinian movement alongside delegations from Israel and the United States, few predicted the kind of breakthrough that U.S. officials have hoped may assuage Iran's desire to exact revenge on Israel over the unclaimed killing of Hamas' political chief in Tehran late last month.

With regional tensions at a boiling point and both warring parties trading blame for the lack of progress, Basem Naim, a spokesperson and former health minister of Hamas, questioned the intentions of the Israeli side, particularly those of its longest-serving premier who returned to power in late 2022 by forming a coalition with the far-right......
The only way to get Adolf Benji to the peace table will be for the U.S. to tell him that there will be no more weapons supplied to him unless he signs on the dotted line.
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Message 2139618 - Posted: 19 Aug 2024, 12:38:19 UTC
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The only way to get Adolf Benji to the peace table will be for the U.S. to tell him that there will be no more weapons supplied to him unless he signs on the dotted line.
Benyi stubbornly insists on continuing to control the Philadelphi Corridor, the border between Egypt's Sinai and Gaza. How else is Israel supposed to stop the smuggling of rockets and arms into Gaza? Such a serious mistake as letting Palestinians in Gaza control this border (2005 retreat from Gaza) without them having first agreed to a peace treaty (two state solution) is not something Israel will repeat.
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Message 2139939 - Posted: 28 Aug 2024, 21:08:13 UTC

I reckon that Adolf Benji and his mob of fascist butchers won't be seen at the peace table at least until the U.S.'s elections are done with and they will continue adding to their war crimes until then and if Benji's criminal buddy Delusional Donny wins he won't stop adding to those crimes.

Why Netanyahu Is Panicked at the Prospect of a Harris Presidency.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu shares two important characteristics with former President Donald Trump: like Trump, Netanyahu is narcissistic, incapable of empathy for others who considers his personal interests and political survival to be of paramount importance, and, also like Trump, he desperately wants Trump to win the forthcoming presidential election in order for him to have a hope of staying out of jail.

That is pretty much all we need to know to explain Netanyahu's behavior some two months before the said election.

Trump's motivation is hardly breaking news. Most Americans—even hardcore MAGA activists who idolize Trump—understand that Trump's legal difficulties will either increase or decrease exponentially depending on who takes the oath of office next Jan. 21 as the 47th president of the United States. One scenario: he lives in the White House for another four years; the other involves at a minimum heavy fines and quite possibly an orange prison uniform.

What many observers outside Israel don't realize, however, is that Trump's Mini-Me Netanyahu is in the exact same boat.

Except that Netanyahu's situation is even more precarious than Trump's.

Netanyahu's present political situation is exemplified by the banana peel syndrome: he has one foot in political oblivion and the other on a banana peel.

Like Trump, Netanyahu is under multiple criminal indictments and his various trials are ongoing. These trials would accelerate with bullet train speed were he to be forced out of office anytime soon.......
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Message 2139960 - Posted: 29 Aug 2024, 9:18:52 UTC
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Like Trump, Netanyahu is under multiple criminal indictments and his various trials are ongoing. These trials would accelerate with bullet train speed were he to be forced out of office anytime soon.
All of which explains why Netanyahu does not want an agreement for any kind of ceasefire in the Hamas-Israel war and the return of those hostages taken captive by Hamas on Oct. 7 who are still alive. He knows that the day after such an agreement is reached, he will be unable to withstand calls for new elections, which he could well lose.
Errr.... He WILL lose. Now, assume Hamas.... no, it is Yahya Sinwar only.... Assume Sinwar decides to release these hostages... Benji would be forced immediately by the U.S., the UN, the uproar of the pro-Palestine faction worldwide to retreat from Gaza, even before the US elections in November. The article outlines his fate: lose elections, indictments, various trials, jail. But a retreat of the IDF from Gaza is not what Hamas wants. The Oct 7th attack was intended to lure Israel into Gaza, to inflame conflicts resp. disagreements with all of its "neighbours" (Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran, Syrian islamists, .... Egypt, Jordan, Saudis, ...).

What the article provides reasons for is, the Hamas boss possesses the power to quickly end Benji's career and pave the way for him to go to prison. Why doesn't he use it? Because it's not about occupation of Gaza, oppression of Palestinians, or fighting Israel's right-wing government, but always about the one... the only, the unattainable goal: the destruction of the 'Zionist entity', the expulsion of the Jews.

Hamas and Benji... They increasingly live in symbiosis. They need each other to survive.
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Message 2140113 - Posted: 1 Sep 2024, 20:58:14 UTC

As Adolf Benji and his far right fascist butchers continue actions that not only kill innocent Palestinians they're also killing those held hostages, but many decent Israelis are not falling for their lies and are ramping up their actions against their rogue (re: terrorist) government.

Protests are spreading across Israel after the Israel Defense Forces recovered the bodies of six hostages in a tunnel in Gaza.

Israel's main labour union calls general strike to pressure government into deal after six hostages killed in Gaza.

Netanyahu 'Has Failed': Hostage Family Group as Six More Dead.

And all Adolf Benji is really worried about is facing the music that is waiting for him in the end that he's so desperately trying to avoid, even to the point of destroying his own country.
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Message 2140121 - Posted: 2 Sep 2024, 7:42:38 UTC - in response to Message 2140113.  

As Adolf Benji and his far right fascist butchers continue actions that not only kill innocent Palestinians they're also killing those held hostages [...]
No, it is Hamas terrorists that murdered six hostages by shooting them in the head.

Shooting hostages is a clear message: Hamas is not interested in any peace treaty.
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